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Im 12 and currently play airsoft. I have a Super 9 Rifle, yes I know it is not a real "Sniper Rifle". As you know christmas is coming up, I would like to know some more information on the M24 Military version. I also
would like some information on a nice gas sidearm. I was looking at the Full Metal Uzi.
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Old 11-07-2005, 04:48 PM
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That airsoft retreat review is bull**** from line one.


Why?

Read: " As I stated before, I can't comment on how the weapon performs stock. I had the gun out of the box for less than an hour before I started installing the upgrades."


Yeah, any gun with a 550 FPS spring in it's going to have a MUCH higher stress level then stock power level.


The M24 - simply:

Is a very good gun, very upgradable (does require a bit of care), and is very well built. Fires 280-300~ out of the box, about the same accurcy as an AEG.
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sniper1 good gas

sniper1 if your looking for a good gas blowback theres alot on kapowwe.com and they have videos for them too.
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:03 PM
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There is a nice GBB glock 17 for sale in our classifeds section ($80 I belive). As far as the M24 Fox is correct. You might (for lower matinence) try going with a VRS-10 from either TM or the knock off version that has rencently come out. I've also herd good things about the UTG sniper but I would only suggest that for back yeard games as of now becuase it has not been widly tested as of yet.
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i posted this before in the springer section, but here it goes...

if you like backyard games get the new hfc usr-11 for like $100 at http://www.airsplat.com/Categories/AR.htm. airsplat calls it the vsr-10 but theyre wrong. make sure you check the one by hfc, not tm. but...

if you plan on getting serious into using a rifle to be a sharpshooter or a sniper, save up a lot of money and buy either of the following:

-tm vsr10 (pro sniper, real shock, gspec, theyre all good)
-Maruzen APS-II
-KJW M700 (gas gun)

id go with the tm vsr10 gspec cause thats what i have. but, if you plan on getting one of these rifles and really using it get out the wallet again and by some decent upgrades. get over 400fps really.

as to a GBB sidearm, its up to you. if you plan on using it a lot in scrims i dont have an answer for you. but if you only use it to take out that last enemy thats closing in on you get something small and cheap. make sure the mags arent a lot and are easy to afford and just buy a couple of them.
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j/w

i was wondering is the dragonuv as good as the other sniper rifles you guys listed??
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Old 11-07-2005, 06:59 PM
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Since I'm 99.9999999999% sure you are refering to the cheap spring powered Dragonuv, no, it is absolutely not as good as the others mentioned, its ranks somewhere close to the lowest level of POS class.
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ok

thanx i didn't know if the dragonuv was good or not because its a lot of money i think, but i just started to play airsoft a while ago but i love it so im looking at geting into it.

and just to make sure i was talking about the Dragonuv SVD Spring Rifle from airsoftatlanta.com

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Old 11-07-2005, 07:55 PM
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Alright he's not refering to the POS's on e-bay.

That gun is actually pretty much a big mystery to every one out there, since there has been about umteenbillion versions since it's been released.


General thought?

Good gun, not quiet worth the money though. Why?

1. SVD = Ment to be semi auto.
2. It's a good build, don't get me wrong - but not good enough to justify the price tag.
3. Upgrade/Repair ability is still in question.


Good news?
King Arms picked up the distrubution of them.


KM/Atoz/Head 19.50 make good products, so it's a quality peice. But, just like everything else they make - emensely over priced.


If you want a sniper rifle, I would from:

Maruzen L96
CA M24 v3
Maruzen APSII
TM VSR-10

Those, I go by looks, because they basically all have a massive amount of parts out there for them. The L96 would by far be the most expensive to properly deck out. The M24, depending, probably the cheapest. As well, build quality: L96 being the best, M24 v3 being second best in my opinion.

Best bet? Go used.

People spend umteenthousands of dollars on Sniper rifles, only to find that sniping in airsoft, is nothing like the real deal. Why? Limited range for the most part, which also goes into how you play. You can either sit WAY back, and just do C&C (Comand and Control) operations. (Ie. Watch enemies via scope/binocs) Or try to hide and shoot - which normally ends up with about an entire squad chasing you down.

Thusly, they sell fully decked out guns they spend 1000+$ on for like, nothing at all.

Just my opinion on things.
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:11 PM
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fox is, per usual , correct. airsoft sniping is essentially an expensive part time hobby within airsoft. it sounds like you have no skirmishable primary weapon- and a sniper rifle is 99% of the time not going to cut it as a sole primary. for much of the reasons fox stated- airsoft sniping is limited and puts you in more of a position to not enjoy the game than to enjoy it. is it enjoyable? certainly. lining up that trick shot from a position of deep cover and laying right onto center of mass at over 280+ feet is priceless- unless it never happens despite the immense amount of $$ you've dumped into upgrades (necessary to outshoot and outrange your AEG opponents and to keep the gun stable with all that extra power) and the guy never calls his solitary hit, or an unseen branch deflects the shot at the last possible second, or as noted before, you are severely hunted down by a squad of full auto weilding toughs who put you through a world of hurt.

Quite often a new player gets a cheap gun, (And I totally understand the reasoning, we're not all rich) plays around with it and trys to skirmish with it and is discouraged by it's poor accuracy- either a stock name brand AEG or worse, an off brand aeg- as they are all made for spraying. I can't tell you how many noobs have started with a tm mp5k- often used even- because it was the cheapest and were sorry they ever thought airsoft was cool- because they were outranged and out shot in accuracy terms by the guy next to them with a stock tm m4, or a stock ca m15xx version.

then they often over react and want to snipe. Again, i'm not going to discourage you from sniping, but depending on the field you play at, it may not be a cost effective or enjoyable way to play airsoft. What you may be looking for is accuracy and range first- your super nine is likely not hitting things larger than a t shirt at 100 feet max. I could be wrong but that's about as good as a springer gets.

An 11.5" barreled STOCK ca m15a4 M4CQBR style carbine I bought last week is hitting milkjugs at 100 feet, 90%+ of the time- despite it's supposed lower power and shorter barrel than the super 9. (I've never heard a definitive power rating on a super9)

a longer and tighter barrel in that gun without a spring upgrade should net me at least 175-180 feet- (if my previous experience remains true) and it's a carbine- a full sized rfle pushing 315-320 with .25's will at least hit 200' or more, plus upping the spring signifigantly increases the inertia the bb begins it's flight with and more often than not adds plenty of range.

my advice, save up for the aeg of your choice and eventually upgrade it for range and accuracy- as much as it's gearbox can handle and your field limits restrict. FPS will get you range more often than not, but hop up and barrel diameter/length will help the BB's physics just as much as anything else.
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:28 PM
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AEG's are the way as cobalt has said.

Now, going from my personal history/experiance with sniping, I have used in game:

Custom built SVD (AEG/Semi auto)
Sun Projects M40a1 completely custom made internals (500 FPS)
CA M24 w/ CA 300% FTK (550 FPS.)

The SVD was by far the best sniper rifle I ever owned - exception being the scope, because I used a real PSO-1 scope on it, which has ****ty eye releif, and a narrow diameter tube. The GREAT avantage of this gun is it's semi automatic ability. Due to the fact, as cobalt said, wind, branches, not calling hits (accidental?) etc. Second/Follow up shots are normally always required. (i.e. 75+% of the time.) Thusly, since it has no kick, I can just squeeze off 2-3 rounds on target with out a problem. Normally by the end of this I have a confirmed kill - at least 1 of 2 or 1 or 3 is going to hit the person.

Sun projects m40a1 - Never buy, for the love of god. The amount of work and frustation with the gun never paid off for its performace. Yes, it had a soft trigger pull, yes, it had a good range, yes it was an awesome gun over all. But the amount of work and problems with it were just.. crazy.

CA M24 - Best bang for the buck really. Little rougher trigger pull, as well it has days where it doesn't want to work, but thats all fixed with parts and a bit of maintaince. But, it's a good all around gun. Problem? see the above posts .Second shots take a ton of time, when cocking back a 500-550 FPS spring back


Once again, in my opinion, advise:

You want a gun, that has range, as well as can be a general skirmish rifle... Don't buy a GBB/NBB hand gun - waste of money in ohio/northern states due to weather. Save the money from it, and the money you were going to spend on a sniper rifle, and buy a gun such as:

CA M15a4 Rifle
G&P SPR/a
CA G36
G&G M14
TM m14

etc. Some long gun, with Automatic and semi automatic fire. That down the road, you could easily convert to some sort of quality, sniper rifle if you wanted to. Or, you could just upgrade it to 400 FPS, put a lil scope on it, and have your self a nice DMR rifle. Got the range of a sniper rifle, but at the same time still have full auto.



As for the whole M15 CQB/r thing, to cobalt - Actually, I thought the CQB/rs had a FPS of around 320-330. At least, thats what I've seen them chrono at. As well, with the 6.08mm inner barrel thats in it, and the improved piston/gear box design CA did, your going to get a bit more range out of it then a normal stock TM Gun. Only thing I would suggust for you, is to change the hop up bucking out after 30-40~k rounds. Normally by then it's worn out and ready to be replaced. This will improve your range a bit more.

Only thing I'm doing to my 2 CA guns/Did to my only 2 ca guns:

CA M249 MK.II:
Guarder hop up bucking
Guarder SP110 (soon to be an SP120, since the 110 is around 350-370 fps)

CA G36K:
Guarder Hop up bucking
Guarder SP110 (should be right at 400 FPS in this gun. Difference between the G36k and the M249 i'm going to list as gear box design differences.)
Mad bull 6.03mm inner barrel

Eventually the M249's piston will be shreaded, since it's quick change I carry a spare one around with me anyways. And after a 130,000 rounds, I'm just waiting for it to go.

Word of advice: Don't over tighten CA Hop ups. This will cause jams, and then thusly, massive gearbox problems.
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Fox and Cobalt have hit the nail on the head, but I must bring up another point and you probobly will not like it.

You are 12 years old. While this is not a lashing out at you, most event organizers are going to be a bit weary letting a 12 year old on the field with something shooting at sniper velocities. Thus reinforcing the points Fox and Cobalt have made - go with a nice full-sized rifle, and upgrade it down the road to a sniper level if you still feel that is what you want to do. I am sure if you get a year or two's worth of games under your belt and present yourself as mature and responsible, event organizers won't have a problem with you sniping.

Just something you might want to take into account. It would suck for you to build some expensive yet awesome sniper rifle and not be able to use it in most the games that are available.

A nice full length rifle, with a 400 or so FPS upgrade and a tightbore barrel, will have almost the same range as a "sniper" rifle in airsoft. A great start for you would be a CA36. Throw in an M110, Guarder SP110 or a PDI 170% spring, a new hop bucking after 30k or so rounds like Fox said and a tightbore barrel - you will have a nice DMR rifle. Not to mention you have an integrated 1.5x scope, which is a great zoom level for airsoft as the furthest you will usually be engaging people with the most powerful of guns will be 200 feet max. Not to mention all these springs -should- put you at around 400 or so FPS (though not an exact science) so you can retain the ability to go full auto.

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fox, this puppy is getting a sytema hop, 14.5" TB (6.04mm) and an integrated suppressor threaded through a longer RIS front end. (no front site) I anticipat "no real suppression" cough, and milkjugs at about 200 feet.

not sure what I'm doing with the spring, and if it is anything, it'll be AFTER the winter. Spring only if it is safe, doesn't interfere with teh ROF much and can get me to 230 feet, milkjug groups. that white one gallon is a close to a head shot as necesary for cheap recycled targets. makes nice solid confirming slam when hit too.

she's chronoing at a solid 320-325. Yeah, those CA guns are getting stronger- used to be 280-300 stock.

and I still giggle at the rate of fire. i'm not very tactical about it- it's just too fun to shoot.
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Right now i really wouldn't reccomend an M14 b/c of the fact that there aren't as many upgrades currently compared to others, but if your the patient type, go ahead. Think of it as an investment! I have had my M14 for a couple months and i have yet to upgrade the internals...
A few companies are jumping on the internal parts bandwagon for the M14 here...
Should already BE out or, will be out here shortly. I know PDI, I beleive Promethous/Laylax and guarder all have released the parts they are coming out with.

I know promethous is basiclly making a new version of every part inside of the gearbox.


Cobalt - with the new CA Mechs I'd slap an SP100 or SP110 in there, have it at 350+ to 400~ depending what you want, and call it a day. CA internals are pretty spiffy anymore.

The new Madbull 6.03mm's barrels interest me, so I'm going to get one to try out in my G36k. Annodised aluminum barrel.. mmm..

Anyways. Yeah, I was rather impressed with the CQB/r. As for the battery, the 9.6v 3300-3600 mah you can fit in the back is always nice. Plus balances the gun damn fine too. And no, a spring won't interfer too much with the ROF, not with that massive battery.
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G&G M14's use all TM/Standard upgrade parts from V2 and V3 gearboxes.

The TM14 uses smaller gears, a smaller dia piston, and a smaller dia spring guide.

That, thusly means they use a smaller Dia Cylinder, and a Smaller dia Piston head as well.

Bushings are the same, etc.

And yes, it is true. It was on arnies not too long ago.
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quoting the "What Roll do You Prefer" Thread from a while ago

"Everybody wants to be a sniper, but very few can actually do it."

Get a nice AEG, esp. at your age, and find what role you like from there, because as its been said many a time on here, sniping is sometimes a day of no shots and lots of sitting.
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thanx

thanx alot!! i guess ill save up for a nice CA AEG because ive always liked the CA guns looks. hope to see you guys on the field if i ever get in a event. thanks again


and i guess you guys are right being a "sniper" for someone my age is overrated.

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sorry

sorry i didnt no if you guys were talkin about me or sniper1 sorry if i thot you guys were talking to my or him but it helped me too so thanks
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Sniper1, I agree with Fox and Cobalt-Blue in with going for an AEG. Sniping is very tough!!! I'm an expert sniper with limited $$ so I only have a VSR-10 G-spec stock, I'm constantly nailing people but because of it's silence and low velocity I have to show myself for people to know that the pellet that you just got shot with wasn't a raindrop. I'm going with an sharpshooter AEG. When you upgrade a sniper rifle it'll cost you about the same as a full AEG package. IMO the only reason to go with a bolt-action rifle over an AEG is the ability to silence it and they are more reliable. Even if you upgrade it, if you're making long shots and people don't feel it, they aren't going to call themsevles out. The other thing is, if you're playing in woods, how often do you get 250 ft sight lines? If you are still looking for a bolt-action, I recommend the TM VSR-10 G-Spec. (IMO the re-designed bolt is worth the extra money over the VSR-10 Pro sniper, not to mention the $20 scope mount that comes on the G-Spec that you would have to put on the Pro sniper). It's the best stock bolt-action sniper rifle (6.05mm barrel diameter and slightly higher velocity) and can be upgraded to match the M24 or APS 2. It also costs less.

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Sorry! I just scanned the post and didn't realize that just about everything I said had already been said! Fox and Cobalt-Blue have got you covered
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