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11.1v and milsim

In the process of migrating to lipos from my myriad of nimh and nicad overpriced behemoths. All going fine so far, a trio of nice 7.4v batteries chugging me right along in 9.6v rof range.

For sh1ts and grins I ordered an 11.1v -just to see what the fuss...

...gave her a whiz in a few of my guns: Dboy SCAR, VFC SCAR, PTW Max, CA CQB...



Good lord comic book rate of fire! This is just stupid!

All I can say is - these things have no basis in the world of reality. If you're running one of these, you're "gaming the system". Period. End of sentence. End of paragraph.

Don't argue for it, for you have no pride.

These things have no place on a milsim battlefield.

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I love my 11.1 LiPo it's solid for Semi due to it giving me snappy trigger response.
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DMR on a semi-only setup - I could see it. But nobody stays on semi who has auto, now do they?...

vids - I got some doozies from Irenes 5-8. These jokers running around sounding like paper ripping. Really? They suck that bad they need 40rps? what are we playing? Tron?

Insane rof: Fun? Hell Yeah! Milsim? Nope.

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HillSlam, and you didn't put it into the 249 to see how things went? Frankly I'm surprised.
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Milsim is a state of mind and environment. Mag limits and rof are just sprinkles. I'd say military bearing, COC and many other things come first. Mini guns have their place on the battlefield, (not saying its infantry wielded). Historically those who forgo technology are killed by those who implement it.
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Quick everyone buy a TM P90, one hicap, and a dark green running suit. On yeah, and bicycles.
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I love my 11.1 LiPo it's solid for Semi due to it giving me snappy trigger response.
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DMR on a semi-only setup - I could see it. But nobody stays on semi who has auto, now do they?...

vids - I got some doozies from Irenes 5-8. These jokers running around sounding like paper ripping. Really? They suck that bad they need 40rps? what are we playing? Tron?

Insane rof: Fun? Hell Yeah! Milsim? Nope.

Bring on the dayglow jumpsuits and run-n-skid speedball.
Hillslam, I'm converting my M16 into a DMR by upping it to 450 FPS and semi only. I do run a 11.1v lipo. I'm with SOL though, I got it for trigger response
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They suck that bad they need 40rps? what are we playing? Tron?
QFT!

Also spit take worthy.
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Completely agree with you hillslam, I am also thinking about making a transition and haven't even thought about 11.1's but am going to purchase 7.4s

These things destroy your gun...
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D-boy, I totally agree with your mindset if you want to apply it in real life or even paintball where competition is required to survive. in airsoft, the only thing you accomplish is too isolate the players, teams and organizations. Of course players can go with insane rate of fire, drum mags and all for their own pleasure and enjoyment but at the end, they will most likely end up alone because nobody can't or want to keep up with them. In real life, the more unfair advantage you have, the better it is. In airsoft, shove 4-5 miniguns on the same team and there is nothing fun and pleasant anymore.
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This used to be a FPS argument now its turned to a RPS one. Not too long ago guys wanted 450FPS as the standards.
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Indeed, the problem is getting hit at 450fps once hurts. Getting hit with a 20round burst at 400fps will hurt a bit less but much longer. So if it is the way the sport is going, don't be surprise to see more "full face mask" rules to show up. Players are worried about losing teeth already...it will only get worse...and I doubt field owners will appreciate the extra liability.
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... converting my M16 into a DMR by upping it to 450 FPS and semi only....
Yeah Monkey that makes sense, especially pulling a 450.

I'm loving my 7.4v lipos for trigger response (all guns around 350-399fps). I think thats more due to the 46amp current capability than the voltage, but the 11.1v trigger response sure was crisp, no doubt about it. Except on the PTW - not really a diff there I could say worth it.

Too bad we can't have that semi trigger response and a livable rof without a complicated circuit.

My only DMR is on a Revolution gearbox build and I'm afraid to even *try* the 11.1v in that. But its really nice on 9.6v nimh and 7.4v lipo already.

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This used to be a FPS argument now its turned to a RPS one. Not too long ago guys wanted 450FPS as the standards.
Indeed. Foir me, the day I was running my M249Para on a 305fps spring (long story) and was getting *insane* range converted me off fps. It was a freak thing. convergence of whatever. Uber hopup performance, I was outranging bolt actions at 600fps ( we stood side by side to compare).

That was like 3 years ago, and since then I never chase fps anymore. Its all in the hopup baby!
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Chipped teeth is a real worry no matter the FPS but the increased RPS isnt going to help the matter.

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So if it is the way the sport is going, don't be surprise to see more "full face mask" rules to show up. Players are worried about losing teeth already...it will only get worse...and I doubt field owners will appreciate the extra liability.
Go to a dentist and get a mouth guard made. Simple
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Well yeh, lets not debate the FPS and RPS topics in here, we will have plenty other occasions to do it anyway

p.s. semi only at 450fps and with 11.1V battery becomes a moot point.
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lol - when we can't even get half the kids into bdus I dont see this happening anytime soon.

I'm not even really worried about the safety aspect.

But playing around here in my office with this 11.1v I just pulled the trigger on it, cracked an evil grin and laughed at the comic book rof...

And then I thought of going to an Op with it, shook my head and said to myself "well that misses the point."

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And there's the dirty little secret of airsoft: a [good] stock AEG will outperform 99% of all modded ones. *cough its all about the hopup *cough*

But nobody can leave the dang things alone heh, me included.
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100% agree. 11.1vs are idiotic on full auto. I've been saying this since they became popular in the airsoft scene a couple years ago. 7.4vs are fine with me - hell, they don't match up to my 9.6v batteries in ROF most of the time, unless you get a very high quality Lipo. But the trigger response can be snappier, even on the cheaper ones.

I've been an advocate for stock guns with realistic or moderate rates of fire since I've been playing. I know the technical stuff behind Lipos now, and it doesn't even come close to making me change my mind about them. DMRs, sure. Auto guns? No.
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There comes a point where the rate of fire becomes somewhat uncontrollable.

When a single burst will dump 1/4 of your mag, how does this give you an advantage to send 30-40 BBs downrange?

Can you control where they are going to all hit?

How is that any different than blind fire?

You are sending a cloud of BBs and unable to know where they all go or have any real control over what they are going to do.
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I see your point of it being way overkill for rate of fire.. I remember setting my G36 up a long time ago with a 9.6v battery and a speed motor, I think I was around 30 rps, it seemed cool until I was at an op. That day, I think I spent more time reloading midcaps than I did shooting.. From that point on I have been content with guns shooting around 15-20 rps. Maybe the best thing a field could do is make rules on carrying X amount of magazines and that may help cut down on the use of those 11.1's... Either that or go old school and make everyone use Low cap mags, that would definitely change the way people play.

On my DMR (semi only) the 11.1 is simply amazing. Gun sounds like its destroying itself, but every time I open it up everything looks fine. = )
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Playing green versus tan like back in the day with a pack of plastic army soldiers in the park sandbox isn't very milsim like, but none the less its THE most implemented technique for devising teams.

I was at Irene VIII, and ran a 11.1V. I also ran eight mags for each scenario. I think the only time I ever reloaded them was Anaconda when laying into TFR's helmets rising above the walls didn't seem to work very well... What was that saying again? Call those hits loud and clear,or I'll just keep shooting?
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Playing green versus tan like back in the day with a pack of plastic army soldiers in the park sandbox isn't very milsim like, but none the less its THE most implemented technique for devising teams.

I was at Irene VIII, and ran a 11.1V. I also ran eight mags for each scenario. I think the only time I ever reloaded them was Anaconda when laying into TFR's helmets rising above the walls didn't seem to work very well... What was that saying again? Call those hits loud and clear,or I'll just keep shooting?
I believe it was "Call those hits loud and clear, I can shoot longer than you can pretend."

Not sure that saying has anything to do with an extremely high ROF or 11.1v batteries.
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I was at Irene VIII, and ran a 11.1V. I also ran eight mags for each scenario. I think the only time I ever reloaded them was Anaconda when laying into TFR's helmets rising above the walls didn't seem to work very well... What was that saying again? Call those hits loud and clear,or I'll just keep shooting?
Agree but what we are doing now is trying to fix a problem with another one.
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Copy That for me too and the crazy thing is.... they work.

Who cares. If someone wants to spend more money, waste more of their ammo and then strip their piston about half way through the game than let them be. Even if their using a highcap the gun is going to misfeed at 50 rps. (Far Fetched I Know) For most people running a 11.1v lipo a mosfet is a plus which can control rps to something a bit lower yet still giving the operator an advantage. Plus if they have a high rps they'll run out of ammo faster. It's not like a lipo adds range to the gun and speed.
Only problem could be once you reach the around the 400fps limit and people disregard their MED's that could be painful. For example instead of getting hit 10ft away by 6 bbs before the operator releases the trigger, the opposing force might get hit by 11-16 bbs. Which makes it more important to stress safety and sportsmanship over the "cool factor" of your super speed no drag Franken gun shooting 9001 rps.
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