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Old 12-22-2007, 11:52 PM
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What is a good event in 2008?

I have slowly started working on my event schedule for 2008, and I started wondering something; What do players really appreciate in an event these days?
For us, organizers, it could be having vehicles or special guests, but for you the players it could simply be hotdogs and a raffle.

So here is what I would like to know, from those within a team and those without one. From the veteran or from the new player;

- What do you like and what do you dislike in an event?
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:19 AM
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-Lots of people (70+)
-Field that has buildings
-Green vs Tan, not Red vs Blue
-Objective based, not a whole lot of capture the flag
-No High caps
-400fps 0ft med (like what springfield has)
-Organization of squads and teams beforehand
-Team forums
-People over 16 years old
-I want to see some vehicles
-STRICT schedule: If youre going to run the event, run it on the schedule you posted!
-Role players and people dressed like terrorists. I hate seeing Special forces vs Special forces time and time again.

I dont really care for raffles or hot dogs. I like it when the event runs on a schedule, and not when they decide to have random hour long breaks in the middle. I hate waiting around.
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I usually prefer urban areas with good places to snipe so you are always on alert kind of like stalingrad and with alot of people
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Yes:
-No hicaps
-More roleplaying
-Vehicles are good.

I've always liked the idea of a convoy of vehicles serving as a moving spawn point. but I could see problems with this...

And I do agree on more urban would be a nice change.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:37 AM
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Oh I forgot to mention, an urban field is not what I would call a usual place to play. Yes, buildings seems to be more available these days but it is not THAT easy to find a GOOD field with buildings...so if you guys say you like buildings, make sure you say it because you actually played in them and not just wish we all have own a multi million old factory available for airsoft
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Like:
-Events running on time
-Loads of people
-Organization of sides
-OP: Cobra medic system (if anyone remembers this)
-Varying terrain, structures. (Urban?.?.? I've never done it so I don't know)
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-Fixed spawn points.
-A base in the Half Houses (Springfield specific)
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-Lots of people (70+)
-Field that has buildings
-Green vs Tan, not Red vs Blue
-Objective based, not a whole lot of capture the flag
-No High caps
-400fps 0ft med (like what springfield has)
-Organization of squads and teams beforehand
-Team forums
-People over 16 years old
-I want to see some vehicles
-STRICT schedule: If youre going to run the event, run it on the schedule you posted!
-Role players and people dressed like terrorists. I hate seeing Special forces vs Special forces time and time again.

I dont really care for raffles or hot dogs. I like it when the event runs on a schedule, and not when they decide to have random hour long breaks in the middle. I hate waiting around.
I agree with all of these. I'd also like to say that it's really hard to judge what type of games people will want: Open play, or MILSIM.

You should host both styles of games during the year, and alternate like you have been. Some people will enjoy having more silly fun, and some will enjoy MILSIM.

Lunch breaks are okay for me. An hour for lunch is the perfect amount of time. I don't want a lot of waiting between scenarios, though. That can be a kill-joy.

Blade, I like the way you run things. I'd like it to be on time, and if people aren't there on time, we run a quick game for the people who are ready. The second game, the others can join in. It'd be a way to make people get there on time or even early! Wouldn't THAT be a shock? Now that of course depends on if it's Open Play. If it's MILSIM, you delay the start of the game OFFICIALLY and give a time when the game starts so that each team has proper time to prepare.

Just a thought or two.

Good thread idea.
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Large Force v. Large Force (IE at least 100 on each side)

A FULL weekend game with camping and enforced no-fire times.
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-I'd love to have a 24hr+ game. People could come out as needed to charge a battery or refill water but gameplay would continue through the night.
-Schedule and hold to it
-One game had the 2 medic heals then you had to head to respawn, I liked this system
-No hicaps
-Limit ammo carried on person
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Large Force v. Large Force (IE at least 100 on each side)

A FULL weekend game with camping and enforced no-fire times.
This, but to the next level.

Everything mentioned by Hkrazy and Red I agree with. But if you want to take milslim to a new level, maybe the strikers should look into hosting two day games where each team must camp in-game and carry and/or store their provisions. Night-time skirmishes are allowed (such as patrol type senerios) but after a certian time, no firing allowed. Teams must stay on their sides, anyone who deviates or aimlessly wanders can be "interigated" for intell. Of course players can leave the field whenever they please, but Im willing to bet most will stay for the added effect. Maybe even have a midnight patrol scenerio where everyone in the field must wake up, and allow small perimeter skirmishes to take place. Or an early morning offense.

Vehicles would be a nice touch, but an added risk to insurance. On top of this, there is a higher age limit for an increase in risk, players must be 16-17 years old bottom line and above 18-19 to participate in any late night operations.

Springfield specifics, I think Brown town should be moved more into the open field and bulked up a bit. I think having a more "city" like enviorment would change the pace at most strikers games, since Brown town always proves to be a choke point in many games.

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I'm not a picky person... I'm not going to say I want games with 500,000,000 people, ultra-realistic weapon class FPS rules or even tanks made out of cardboard boxes.

No... I ask the organizers of AO on simple thing:

Continue to enforce the one hour lunch break! This new idea of not scheduling a break is a dangerous one in my opinion. NO ONE wants to be the kill-joy that leaves his team behind for an hour, because he's hungry, or tired. And no one out there can deny, that when the adrenaline is pumping on the field, it's easy to miss your body's warning signs. All these added together causes a very risky situation... It causes no harm to take a break for an hour. It gives players time to eat, drunk, rest, charge batteries, gives the hosts time to reorganize the field, and hell, it may even make the second half more intense then without a break, because players will be rested.

Just remember, we're not in the army, we're not in Iraq, we're civilians, and there are MANY out there on the fields, in your events, that need that SCHEDULED break. And yes, call me weak, or call me "not trained", "not serious", but I'm one of those people. Had there been a break during BF4, I would not have been rushed to the hospital.
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Have to agree with Duo. I love combat straight, no lunch break games. I have no problem running 8 hrs straight at a Op, but it seems like alot of new players get in over there head. We had a few over heating situations this year (nothing new) but I believe that events with a lunch break gives players a chance to recharge and refuel (rest and food.) Everyone wants to see new fields, but I know how much of a pain it can be to find a decent, large scale outdoor field.

Maybe spruce up Springfield some more? Build up the village a tad or add a whole new one. I don't know what the deal with the owners are, but a ever changing field is a good field IMO.

If we could get maybe 1-2 events more a year on the quality of the Safari Strike series, with exsisting games. I think that would really help bolster the event attendance. I know it is alot of hard work, but it be nice to see 4-6 150+ people events between April and October in Ohio. With TAC's Ops, Strikers BF series, the BA series which while newer (only going on year 3 but still a solid game) if we could add 1-2 more larger events to that scale / quality, I'd be a even happier player.

Last season was a good one IMO. If events aren't to expensive, new people will come. More people = bigger fan base = more oppritunities to run large, successful events. If it's not broke, don't fix it, just add onto it =) Just my 2 cents...
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:17 AM
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I agree with HKrazy, and I love the way the Blind Fury series has always been objective based. I know I'm probably not in the majority of people when I say that I would love to go a whole event not firing a single bb, but knowing that working effectively as a unit my team completed objectives using stealth and good tactics. Blind Fury 1 is still one of the greatest highlights of my years of airsoft. Moving silently and lying low while the entirety of TAC and IP walked mere feet away from us, and then being primarily responsible for poisoning 5 out of 6 wells with only a minor firefight the entire time, is still an awesome memory for me.

I also will have to respectfully disagree with the forced break theory. While I can empathize with Duo as I too left BF4 early due to dehydration and a minor rib injury (no ambulance required, thank god) I attribute it solely to my decision to go out on the field carrying way too much gear and not enough water. Also, my blatant disregard for my own safety by running like a madman in the slick muddy areas led to several painful falls, the worst of which bruised my ribs. I don't feel that a forced break would have done anything but force me to make another demoralizing ascent up that horrible hill. Besides, all of this happened in the first 3 hours, and I was out of commission before a break would have even theoretically occurred. I've been to 7 events at Springfield, under much worse conditions, and never left a game early, but at BF4 I just did not take the precautions I should have. My fault! I don't expect the event organizers to be responsible for my taking a break when I would have been fine had I just used common sense.

One of the low points of for me at Northern Wind 1 was having to interrupt the game play and take a break every hour or two and hike up that hill again before the next scenario. If we all just stay hydrated and keep our health in constant consideration, and take a personal break if we need to, then a forced break is unnecessary. Of course we all need to make sure we're looking out for all the guys around us, which thankfully I usually see a lot of. The out of bounds hospital idea was a good one, where guys could stay on the field but go to a neutral area to recuperate. Blade, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was BF2 that was ended early due to heat? I remember that day Hardlock I think was coming by the Kreiger HQ periodically and dropping off fresh water for everyone. That was a lifesaver! I definitely would have had to break to get water if not for that.

I guess my recommendations would be:

- Strictly objective based.
- Role-playing is a plus.
- Keep us guessing. (Russians anyone?)
- Interesting Medic Rules are a plus.
- No breaks. Keep the water flowing, keep the players going.
- Keep the SAW Gunners, Snipers, and Medics to a realistic minimum.
- Try to get an experienced chain-of-command and event forums in place ASAP.
- Buildings are fun, but I'd have just as much fun without them.
- Springfield could accommodate a lot more players than it has in the past.
- No mandatory lights out time for camping area. What is this our middle-school Mohican field trip? (Come on I know I'm not the only one.)
- I know some people aren't fans of raffles, but I personally love winning free stuff.

- Most importantly: Keep doing what you're doing!!!
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:59 AM
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Duo/Lu, I have to admit that since a player died at John Lu event earlier this year, many things will need to be addressed, including a lunch break.

And yes, we are already planning to add 2 story building in Springfield and a whole new village is on the drawing board....

Keep the comment coming. Doesn't have to be Springfield only, could be any other fields...
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I would really like to see times enforced as stated before. I like the hotdogs and raffles, 15 and up only, no box/C mags unless an actual support gun, vechicles make games so much more interesting if used in the right way(anyone remeber the tank at Red Dragon in august?) and last tan vrs green.
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Let me say that the quality of Events in Ohio has really set a standard for other states to follow. One in particular is Virginia(Where I now reside). After speaking to many hardcore players(Team ECHO, Foxhound, Virginia Rangers), they make the drive to come to the major events for a number of reasons:

Strict Milsim Rules
Teams with color coordinated BDU, not armbands
Objective Based Scenerios
Structured
Run by experienced event coordinators
Higher Caliber of Players
Not required to wear Painball Masks to play

In their eyes as well as mine,Raffles & food really do not make a difference in the success of the OP. Please keep breaks to a minimum (Please know I was never a fan of Half-time during football, no breaks just keep the game going already!).

I would like to see more multiple day games in 2008. Drive up Friday, play all day Sat and Sunday morning, then make the drive home.

All in all Great job in 2007. Looking forward to whats in store for 2008.
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You ask me, the most fun I ever had were small games (less than 50 people)

Less than 50 people - In my experience, huge games are rarely fun. Sure, playing with 300 people sounds like it might be fun, but in actuality, most fields we have access to are WAY too small for a large amount of people.

Get rid of the Quats and Dirt-bikes - This is a problem that I've experienced primarily at the Hidden Valley Ranch. There are obvious safety concerns with this, and aside from that, nothing takes away from a firefight like a dumbass in a fruity-colored shirt driving right into the middle of it and stopping. If we don't bring enough people out to warrant having the field to ourselves, we need to figure out what we need to do in order to attain this.

Loose lunch breaks - I actually don't like the idea of having lunch-breaks that are set in stone. It makes me feel like we're in grade school. It is each players reponsibility to make sure that they eat and drink. I'm not sure about the circumstances of what happened to our Brother in California, but if it was due to him not eating or drinking, that was his responsibility to do so. (BTW, I'm fairly sure that what happened to him wasn't due to him "not eating or drinking"). If you must have a lunch break, I think a mandatory break of 30 minuites would be fine. I don't buy the logic of "nobody wants to be a disappointment". Who cares? It's a game, this isn't war. If you're on a team that's going to whine because you need to make sure that you don't die of dehyrdation, screw them.

Get rid of the role-players - I've gone to probably a dozen different games with role players, and I've only seen two that were executed semi-fairly. Irene 3 and 4. All of the others either started or ended with someone getting pissed off because the roleplayers "unfairly" took sides in firefights, etc. If you want to input roleplayers, they should be more on the side of "staff". For instance, in the first game I organized, I used roleplayers to keep the event moving and keep it interesting. They didn't so much play the game as they guided the game along and made it fun.

Pick good team leaders - How your team commanders act whilst leading their team can make or break a game. Some people are hilarious when filling this role (Miyagi for instance).

No more raffles - I believe that these were a good idea years ago, but anymore they're pointless. The vast majority of people that win things sell the things they win, and a lot I've seen don't ever play again. I'd rather see the money use for the raffle dumped into improving props, or free lunches for the players or something. (A few examples of this BTW, the kid that won the Safari Strike PTW sold it, and it has changed hands several times, there was a lady at Blind Fury I believe, that won an VFC AKS74U that sold it within a month of getting it, and there are more, I just can't think of them ATM). I realize that most of this is donated, but all it is really donated for is to spam stores names to a bunch of tired people after games. Personally, no matter how many crappy water bottles AEX donates it doesn't make me want to shop there.

Maybe I'm going against the stream, but these are the things I look for anymore.
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-Lots of people (50+)
-Field that has buildings or warehouse
-Green vs Tan
-Objective based, not a whole lot of capture the flag
-No High caps
-400fps cutoff minus snipers
-Organization of squads and teams beforehand
-Team forums
-People over 18 years old
-I want to see some vehicles
-STRICT schedule: If youre going to run the event, run it on the schedule you posted!
-Role players and people dressed like terrorists. I hate seeing Special forces vs Special forces time and time again.
- Hotdogs
- Raffles

I agree with HK, just with a few minor changes.

Oh, and another thing that has been addressed above. TEAMLEADERS! TAKE CARE OF YOUR ****ING PEOPLE! Yes, we're all adults and we're perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves. However it never hurts to look out for others. If you know you're going to be playing a day long game with few or no breaks, check your people and make sure you all have water and a snack of some sort. A lunch break shouldn't be required, find some cover, grab your buddy and take turns taking a break and getting the necessary food and whatnot to keep you moving through the day...an MRE goes a long way.
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No lunch breaks. If you need a break of food it is your teams loss for going and eating. There is no problem with bringing an MRE into the field and eating there... BF3 i had a glock 19 in one hand and a fork in the other. If people would simply ace themselves or try to stay off the hills as much as possible there would be alot less casualties. The majority of the dehydration is due to poor choices of either not packing enough water or too much gear. So simply if you run out of water its your fault you should have packed more and if there isnt water at spawn you have to walk back to the top. This is the way ive always played it. We have been doing no lunch breaks for several years now and weve been fine lets not make it less realistic now.

Something needs to be done with COC. Leaders should only be permitted to be this if they are well known for leadership. I can name quite a few people with such qualities but for some reason at times noobs are put in these crutial positions. Sorry guys but if youve been playing for less than 2 years you might thing youre leet but face it yo dont have enough experience to lead a team.

I think the age limit should be 16-18 unless an older kid can prove themselves worthy of the play. If they can prove self discipline and skill they should be permitted to game play because they arent as much of a liability. I hate to admit it but without the new people airsoft will just die off with us old players. But it drives me INSANE watching a van roll up with 15 kids walking out all with clear plastic guns and super 9s.

FPS limits need to STAY over 400 18+. Even if you prove yourself people under still dont have the discipline someone 18 would so they really dont need to be carrying a rifle that hot. Sorry but if you want to be a sniper you gotta use 400fps.

Rules need to be enforced alot more. The worst thing in the world at an event is hearing the ZIIIIINNNNNGGGG of a highcap unwinding during a milsim event when its standards only. And times need to be more regulated. Hey they didnt show up on time they wasted some time from their team.

Bomb the raffles. Yes free stuff is nice but the money would be better going towards the field. If buying a few AEGs could have bought us a vehicle or a building i would much rather have a building or vehicle. People shouldnt be in the game to win free junk they should be in it for the event. Organizers flaunting their sponsors in EVERY single post really turns me away from the event because it seems like they dont care about the play they only care about what they can give you. These events normally go down hill fast. So please bomb the raffle and put the money into the field.

Im not worried about the scenarios because i know even though youre French Canadian you guys always have great missions and always keep us on the move.
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Another thing is weapon type and uniform enforcement. If you are recreating D-Day and you have Thompsons, Garands, and the one guy has an M60 and is wearing a Tan Jumpsuit, kind of detracts from the realism...
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-Lots of people (70+)
-Field that has buildings
-Green vs Tan, not Red vs Blue
-Objective based, not a whole lot of capture the flag
-No High caps
-400fps 0ft med (like what springfield has)
-Organization of squads and teams beforehand
-Team forums
-People over 16 years old
-I want to see some vehicles
-STRICT schedule: If youre going to run the event, run it on the schedule you posted!
-Role players and people dressed like terrorists. I hate seeing Special forces vs Special forces time and time again.

I dont really care for raffles or hot dogs. I like it when the event runs on a schedule, and not when they decide to have random hour long breaks in the middle. I hate waiting around.

I agree with all of this except for 2. I live up here in michigan. And mostly play michigan events. But, if their is a large even like this down their, with vehicles and buildings im down for it.

But, the Age limit would probally count alot of people out.
And the No high caps. It's not a problem for me, i have like 12 mid caps. But, my freinds and some team mates only role with high caps. That is my $0.02
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If you're operating on a strict degree of MILSIM Count Hi-Caps out. Me being 15 and most people saying events 16+ or 18+, sure those are fine limits, but keep the below that age vouch rule in there. That helps get me in a good amount of events. If x Number of Veterans can vouch for an underaged player, not just one random person vouching because the underaged player asked him to in the Chat Room.

-16+ or 18+ but with an underaged vouch rule
-No Hi-Caps what-so-ever they detract way too much from MILSIM
- Strongly enforce BDU requirments, I hate armbands
-Keep a low number of Snipers, Medics, Officers and Support Gunners
-Designate Squad Leaders and CO
-Everyone MUST have a radio I don't care if you can't afford one, just borrow one
-No more dumbing down of Objectives, keep them realistic, not just take Object A to Point B and wait 5 minutes, make them more fun like bomb defusal with wire clippers something along that sort
-Vehicles are always good, but they are hard to get a hold of and they can't go everywhere. However don't use them like they were used at Codename Thunder, I.E. parking them outside respawns and killing everyone
-Buildings are fun, but always keep some good outdoors. Maybe a few sandbag bunkers
-Mandatory breaks. I don't care if it's not super strict MILSIM, but people can die out there from dehydration or from simply playing too long and too hard. At least one hour of break should be required. Real soldiers have down time too you know.
-Mix it up! Toss veterans in squads with newbies, get them better. By having all veteran teams be in Squads with just their teams, won't help teach new players.
-Finally having fun. Always make sure the fun element is installed in every event
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Gameplay and objectives that do not are optional/do not count towards victory points, but are valuable to either side - e.g. capturing an LZ provides some more frequent respawns in a timed respawn game.
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Water at the spawn points would be great. I carry 3L and have been considering a second one because I always empty it. I see kids going out without any water at plenty of games and have no idea how they do it.

I agree with Loki on the raffles. Some stuff I've won was great and I still use but getting stuff I can't use feels like a waste. In the case of Irene like events and giving away the CO AEG's or an autographed item was cool, but otherwise I'd just skip it and save organizer time in trying to organize it.
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