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Old 02-05-2008, 11:59 AM
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Using Barrel Bags or Barrel Plugs

Our team has been regulars down at Airsoft Louisville games and recently the field they play on has been requiring the use of barrel bags. They are the same bags that paintballs use to prevent accidental discharge off the field. I have requested that our team members start using barrel bags at all events as an extra measure of safety. I have been to countless events were one or two guys forget to take their mags out. The other thing is being muzzle swept by a gun even with the mag out. There is no guarantee that there isn't a BB still in the barrel. I'm not asking AO events to change overnight, but I personally would like to see this implemented at all events. The cost is minimal $3-$6 for a barrel bag. Before anyone jumps on the negative train with this suggestion, keep in mind is it worth losing an eye over. Just because someone hasn't lost an eye yet doesn't mean it still couldn't happen. We will be requiring it for our team and we will require them for future S.P.E.A.R. events.

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Barrel Bag

Can be found at paintball stores or ****'s Sporting goods.
Barrel Blockers

Echo1 makes these and can be found at Echo1 Airsoft dealers

P.S. There is no reason why I shouldn't see one on Blade's gun
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:08 PM
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EH,

Great Idea, I've seen plenty of accidental discharges. Also Mad Bull is coming out with some barrel blocking devices as well. Alot of Marui guns used to come with barrel blocking devices.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:57 PM
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Where I am all for safety....I just don't see the point. If you have to remind people to take the mags out and put the gun on safety....you will also have to remind them to put those baggies on. The bag isn't a replacement for actually REMOVING the mag and clearing the chamber before entering a safe zone. I do not see how this extra step will be of any use. Just another hassle.

So Paintball Asylum is going to this? What happens when players show up without one?
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:02 PM
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This has been a requirement for paintball fields / events / tournaments for years. Im suprised that airsoft (alot safer minded community IMO) took this long to realize there is a simple solution to make things alittle bit safer. Good idea IMO.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:09 PM
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Just my $.02. Nothing more.

While i do agree with saftey and precautionary measures, this reminds me of the Illionios Airsoft rules........

And they were strict enough to somewhat ruin the game for me.

Now, there was more to that than just having to use a barrel baggie (aka barral condom as most of us paintballers know them) but its a step in that direction none the less.

I like AO over the other places that i play (michigan, illinois, wisconson) largley do to the balance between saftey and fun. I guess its just my Libertairian attitude, but i scroutenize every rule (or law) put in place as to wether or not its actually NEEDED. While having to use these Barrel Baggies might keep us more safe, it also puts more restrictions (and annoying things to carry, little buggers get caught on everything) on a game that is already (in this state) kept pretty safe.

Again just my $.02.
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If barrel bags are required then would there be a need to remove your mag?
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:26 PM
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I think its a fine idea. Don't know about it being mandated but personaly after almost being shot on a shooting range where it's suppose to be safe, I kinda favor any thing that adds safety. Nice thing is if people all get a bright color then it would be easy to see if they have theirs on and are being safe. I do agree with you Athiel0 about a lot of rules making the game not fun. But I think its just a simple step thats a good idea to make things safer. I have seen people walk around shooting their weapons in the "safe" area. Granted 99% of the time there wasnt a mag in there but the cover would make it that much safer. Heck I am sure at least once I entered a "safe" area with my weapon on safe but mag still in. I'm sure that the different playing fields could just get a few of them and loan them out if people forget them when they get to a game or they could sell them. So thats all I have to say on this subject.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:03 PM
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I think its a fine idea. Don't know about it being mandated but personaly after almost being shot on a shooting range where it's suppose to be safe, I kinda favor any thing that adds safety. Nice thing is if people all get a bright color then it would be easy to see if they have theirs on and are being safe. I do agree with you Athiel0 about a lot of rules making the game not fun. But I think its just a simple step thats a good idea to make things safer. I have seen people walk around shooting their weapons in the "safe" area. Granted 99% of the time there wasnt a mag in there but the cover would make it that much safer. Heck I am sure at least once I entered a "safe" area with my weapon on safe but mag still in. I'm sure that the different playing fields could just get a few of them and loan them out if people forget them when they get to a game or they could sell them. So thats all I have to say on this subject.
i would think that if a cover is placed over the barrel then the "mags out" policy could be replaced provided the bag is strong enough to withstand a point blank bb.

I dont know about anyone else, but i use the the barrel cap consistently that comes with most rifles.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:16 PM
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The ICS m4 I received has a small orange barrel blocker that came with it, and I would much prefer to use that then a barrel bag. I would also rather it be not a rule, more of a guideline. Say someone left/lost theirs on the field would they then do?
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:34 PM
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The ICS m4 I received has a small orange barrel blocker that came with it, and I would much prefer to use that then a barrel bag. I would also rather it be not a rule, more of a guideline. Say someone left/lost theirs on the field would they then do?
safety is a rule and never an option. Its a rule for a reason. Your logic can be applied in many situations..

I left my notarized waiver at home. --Translation: Please give me an exception

I left the field fee at home --Please give me an exception.

Come prepared to the field. I know i sometimes forget things, but i'll go home and get it. Its my fault so theres no need to ask for exceptions because i didnt do what i was supposed to. If you have a tendancy to forget things and you have a ton of things to bring, make a check list before you leave.

Put it this way. Unless you take it home and shoot your cat or w/e, if the last place you had your rifle when you put it away was the staging grounds; the barrel blocker will be on it when you put it away and it will be there when you pull it out at the game.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:11 PM
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I've got like 5 for my paintball gun, its not that big of a deal. However I'll probably buy one of the echo-1 versions just so it doesnt look so corny.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:18 PM
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I have no problem using barrel bags. Easy to slip them in a pouch once you're on the field.

And to 'not having to remove the mag' - Well, there's normally 1 bb left i nthe chamber. Its that 1 bb that people are worried about.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:31 PM
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I'm going to have to say that I agree. The barrel plug / bag is a great measure of safety. Whenever I leave the field, I remove my mag and fire three times in a safe direction, ensuring there is no BB left in the chamber. Regardless of how religiously I have tried to follow this rule of thumb, there have been rare occasions where I have forgotten. Forcing people to use a barrel blocking device really is a great step in the right direction. And for how cheap they are (you can get a barrel cover at most gun shows for around 25 cents), there really is no excuse not to use it.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:48 PM
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Ummmm, I DOUBT such a device will stop an airsoft BB.

Last year for the US Army anniversary celebration in GA, MSG Mullen asked me to put together a "10 foot shooting range" so the spectators could actually fire an AEG. If found out it is almost impossible to stop a airsoft BB at 350FPS at 10 feet unless you use some sort of THICK rubber or cardboard wadding. I even tried a heavy guage waxed canvas tarp. At 10 feet, straight though! I eventually had to move the backstop to 20ft and use a combination tarp and rubber floor mats to guarantee spectator safety. Therefore, I doubt these barrel bags will do ANYTHING to stop an accidental discharge. The Echo1 version is sturdier, but I bet the result is the same.
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I'll take one of mine out this week and and put my red cylinder in my M4 and shoot out of it.

If its not going to break at 540 FPS, it's not going to break.
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Ummmm, I DOUBT such a device will stop an airsoft BB.

Last year for the US Army anniversary celebration in GA, MSG Mullen asked me to put together a "10 foot shooting range" so the spectators could actually fire an AEG. If found out it is almost impossible to stop a airsoft BB at 350FPS at 10 feet unless you use some sort of THICK rubber or cardboard wadding. I even tried a heavy guage waxed canvas tarp. At 10 feet, straight though! I eventually had to move the backstop to 20ft and use a combination tarp and rubber floor mats to guarantee spectator safety. Therefore, I doubt these barrel bags will do ANYTHING to stop an accidental discharge. The Echo1 version is sturdier, but I bet the result is the same.
I have shot the ICS barrel plug supplied by accident only once. It withstood the blast, but i was more concerned with fragments lodging themselves in the barrel. In any case, it withstood.

As for the bag itself, i agree with you that i would bring into question the material of the bag itself. It sounds like using barrel bags would require another certification to remember for our gear much like ANSI's
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I've tested barrel bags on numerous occassions. First was my 395 FPS M4, full-auto, 15 shots, into the barrel bag as a test. Nothing. It held, no issues. I honestly see no problem with this being a mandated rule. I hate hearing people not wanting to increase safety. Take those 3-6$ you have laying under your bed, and put it towards something useful, like safety. Instead of upgrading your weapon to 500 FPS.

Everyone should pick up some sort of barrel blocker, whether it be a bag or plug. I hope to see these mandatory at every event.
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As far as people saying "What if I show up to an event without one?" It wouldn't be hard to event organizers to order a few hundred or however many are needed and hand them out to people for a nominal fee of $1, which could be used to fund future events.

I'm sure you could also request custom barrel blockers. With a design and "Irene 6" or w/e on the side of it to make the somewhat of a collectors item.
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Evil Head, I applaude your initiative. It sucks to have to carry one and remember to put it on, but I routinely see people walking about off the field with magazines still in. Even if I say, "Mags out, chambers empty" as I'm leaving the field, only half the people actually do it.
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Yeah I agree with the banker.

However, if a few do it - a few more will do it, and it will go the down the line.

Being able to prevent 1 accident, is 1 less mark on airsoft, and 1 less accident over all.

I have some 'standard' paintball barrel covers I'll test this weekend when I'm at home.
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Trust me you do not want to get shot in the eye i accidentally shot my friend in the eye and i got him out of football practice for two weeks and he almost had to have surgery, barrel covers are a great idea
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I just gotta say safety is with the person holding the weapon not to mention I've seen some of those shot through or blown off. Simple if I don't trust the person with a AEG I still won't trust them after they put one on. As for eyes I wear my goggles every minute during an event even in safe zones
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Evil Head, I applaude your initiative. It sucks to have to carry one and remember to put it on, but I routinely see people walking about off the field with magazines still in. Even if I say, "Mags out, chambers empty" as I'm leaving the field, only half the people actually do it.
Then this is an issue of people intentionally and knowingly violating safety rules. There currently aren't any punishments for this, and why should they follow the rules if they don't get in trouble?

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Often times people just flat out forget. While people still might forget to use a barrel plug, it is a step in the right direction in helping to cut down on misfires.
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If we insist on using some sort of barrel plug, why not do it right. Go down to your hardware store and buy one of these that fits your barrel:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ug/RawPlug.jpg

Then paint it orange:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...OrangePlug.jpg

You can adjust the tension on the rubber plug to expand inside your flashhider. I use these on my support weapons since they have non removable boxmags. I have fired a 450FPS burst from a M249 and plug didn't even budge.
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