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difference between clips and mags

watch this to understand the difference between clips and magazines.

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?c...4&mini_id=1403 scroll down on the video section to the clips. My computer wont link the difference between the videos.

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Nice find! I watched all the videos.
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Great find. So remember, when you call a magazine a "clip", you're dead wrong.

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good find, i also wathced all the videos, got me through the day
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My geometry teacher wants that guy to be president. I have no clue why. It's a good find. Know I know why everyone gets pissed when I talk about the new clips I'm getting for my guns.
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You are in the middle of a heavy gun fight.
You run out of ammo. You turn to your team and yell "I'm out, throw me a clip!"
You are shot dead because your teammates are "vocab snobs" and give you a lecture on Clips vs. Mags instead of throwing you a "Mag".
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You are in the middle of a heavy gun fight.
You run out of ammo. You turn to your team and yell "I'm out, throw me a clip!"
You are shot dead because your teammates are "vocab snobs" and give you a lecture on Clips vs. Mags instead of throwing you a "Mag".
I don't think it's so much "snobism" as it's just plain wrong to call a clip a mag, they are entirely different things. If you wanted a banana, would you look at the guy next to you and ask for an apple? If you wanted an Ipod, would you look at the guy next to you and ask for a "zune"? No, you wouldn't.

We are replicating the military, and doing impressions. The military is all about attention to detail (or at least that's what I understand). It seems slightly odd that we persist in calling things something they are not.
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You are in the middle of a heavy gun fight.
You run out of ammo. You turn to your team and yell "I'm out, throw me a clip!"
You are shot dead because your teammates are "vocab snobs" and give you a lecture on Clips vs. Mags instead of throwing you a "Mag".
OMG that explains alot lol
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I used to always get on noob's cases for it. But now I realize it doesn't matter because when it comes down to it, you are still roughly referring to the same thing.
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I have to admit, I didnt know the difference till today. I found this article (we have dial up, and the video wouldnt load for me) and it is pretty good: http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html
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I don't see the point of getting so pissy about something so trivial. They are common misnomers and in the grand scheme of things, don't amount to jack squat.

If you want a person to learn "correct terminology" there are better ways to go about it. Certainly not worth flaming someone simply because they use the wrong word.

Not all airsofters are that frenzied over being 100% accurate on everything regarding guns, military, gear, etc. Some actually enjoy playing the game, rather than being the uber-leet expert on onomatopoetic nomenclature of replica firearms.

There are far more important things in airsoft to worry about like is the city council going to pass a resolution banning all sales of airsoft because the less intelligent airsofters can't get it into their heads that playing in the parking lot is a bad idea or that carrying their guns around with them in public is just stupid.
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Im sorry to say but it is kind of a big deal on getting them mixed up.
Everybody who sais its not a big deal I want you to join the ARMY and when you get to the basic fire arm traing yell to your officer in charge.
"Sir pass me a clip for my gun sir"
you see what a "Big Deal" it is. not in one way but two ways
calling your Rifle a gun and calling for a clip.

In combat this can also be a real killer.
your M1 Carbine runs out of ammo you yell to
your buddy wielding a M1903A3 Springfield rifle
pass me a "clip" he tosses you a charger of
5 30-06 rifle rounds.
Then you get shot dead.
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I don't see the point of getting so pissy about something so trivial. They are common misnomers and in the grand scheme of things, don't amount to jack squat.

If you want a person to learn "correct terminology" there are better ways to go about it. Certainly not worth flaming someone simply because they use the wrong word.

Not all airsofters are that frenzied over being 100% accurate on everything regarding guns, military, gear, etc. Some actually enjoy playing the game, rather than being the uber-leet expert on onomatopoetic nomenclature of replica firearms.

There are far more important things in airsoft to worry about like is the city council going to pass a resolution banning all sales of airsoft because the less intelligent airsofters can't get it into their heads that playing in the parking lot is a bad idea or that carrying their guns around with them in public is just stupid.
I have to disagree with you. If we can't get our own terminology right, how can we shield the sport/game from litigation. Gang-bangers call magazines "clips", soldiers for the most part, do not. Which would you rather be?

Back in the paintball days, before it went mainstream, we used to call paintball guns "guns" instead of "markers". Nobody said crap about it, then all of the sudden, Walmart starts carring paintball guns, everyone starts wearing jerseys, and well, the rest is history.
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Here's a question that I thought of after watching the video, In airsoft could you call the mag a clip? I would say yes and here's my explanation:

As the video said; the ammo is held by the clip, the clip is held by the mag, and the mag is held by the gun. In airsoft there are just three things, the mag, the bb's, and the gun. So since the mag holds the ammo, but it is also held by the gun, could you call it either, because it is doing the job of both the mag and the clip.

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its a mag.
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Last time I checked, airsoft bb's don't come on stripper clips.
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Actually wouldnt the spring inside the mag be considered the clip?
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Nope the mag holds ammo with a shell and a clip just holds ammo together. pictures to prove my point.

the left is a clip the right is a mag.
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I don't see the point of getting so pissy about something so trivial. They are common misnomers and in the grand scheme of things, don't amount to jack squat.
I don't think anyone is getting particularly "pissy". The fact of the matter is that while many think this is trivial, and it is terminology that most people accept, it's still completely wrong. A magazine is NOT in any way a clip. They are two separate things. A misnomer is a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation. While you may not think it's a big deal, the misuse of the word clip is still incorrect. It would be something akin to calling the President a Prime Minister all the time. Wouldn't you expect to get your butt kicked for doing that all the time??

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But now I realize it doesn't matter because when it comes down to it, you are still roughly referring to the same thing.
Even though they are referring to the same thing, they are making an incorrect reference, and therefore are wrong. If someone told you something that was wrong, wouldn't you try to correct them by educating them about what is fact and what isn't?

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Here's a question that I thought of after watching the video, In airsoft could you call the mag a clip? I would say yes and here's my explanation:

As the video said; the ammo is held by the clip, the clip is held by the mag, and the mag is held by the gun. In airsoft there are just three things, the mag, the bb's, and the gun. So since the mag holds the ammo, but it is also held by the gun, could you call it either, because it is doing the job of both the mag and the clip.
I think you misunderstood. First, the clip isn't held by the magazine. A "clip" which is actually short for "stripper clip" or "charger" is actually speedloader for real guns (that have a magazine). A clip is a rail that holds the ammunition cartridges, typically in a line. A clip "clips" onto the top of a magazine and allows you to easily feed ammo into the magazine. Gunny specifically says in the video clip, "The clips feeds the magazine and the magazine feeds the rifle. Got it?" Clips make it a lot easier to load magazines, and aside from the loading process, are not associated with a magazine in any other way.

There are other types of clips as well. The En Bloc clip was used on the M1 Garand and did fit inside the magazine. These clips are loaded into the magazine with the ammo and are ejected after all ammo is fired. Moon and Half Moon clips are used to load ammo into revolvers.

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Last time I checked, airsoft bb's don't come on stripper clips.
LoL, but wouldn't it be cool if they did??? (Just kidding)

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Actually wouldnt the spring inside the mag be considered the clip?
No, the spring would be called "the spring". Magazines are comprised of three main parts: the casing, spring and follower. The follower is the part that is between the spring and the ammo that keeps the ammo from getting tangled up in the spring. The spring pushed up on the follower, and therefore pushes up on the ammo to push it up into the gun as cartridges are fired. And the casing holds it all together. There is NO clip in a magazine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can find more info on Wikipedia, by doing a Google search, or by going here: http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

I hope this helps everyone and we can all start using the proper terminology!!

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I think you misunderstood. First, the clip isn't held by the magazine. A "clip" which is actually short for "stripper clip" or "charger" is actually speedloader for real guns (that have a magazine). A clip is a rail that holds the ammunition cartridges, typically in a line. A clip "clips" onto the top of a magazine and allows you to easily feed ammo into the magazine. Gunny specifically says in the video clip, "The clips feeds the magazine and the magazine feeds the rifle. Got it?" Clips make it a lot easier to load magazines, and aside from the loading process, are not associated with a magazine in any other way.
I get it now, thanks
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I don't think anyone is getting particularly "pissy". The fact of the matter is that while many think this is trivial, and it is terminology that most people accept, it's still completely wrong. A magazine is NOT in any way a clip. They are two separate things. A misnomer is a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation. While you may not think it's a big deal, the misuse of the word clip is still incorrect. It would be something akin to calling the President a Prime Minister all the time. Wouldn't you expect to get your butt kicked for doing that all the time??



Even though they are referring to the same thing, they are making an incorrect reference, and therefore are wrong. If someone told you something that was wrong, wouldn't you try to correct them by educating them about what is fact and what isn't?



I think you misunderstood. First, the clip isn't held by the magazine. A "clip" which is actually short for "stripper clip" or "charger" is actually speedloader for real guns (that have a magazine). A clip is a rail that holds the ammunition cartridges, typically in a line. A clip "clips" onto the top of a magazine and allows you to easily feed ammo into the magazine. Gunny specifically says in the video clip, "The clips feeds the magazine and the magazine feeds the rifle. Got it?" Clips make it a lot easier to load magazines, and aside from the loading process, are not associated with a magazine in any other way.

There are other types of clips as well. The En Bloc clip was used on the M1 Garand and did fit inside the magazine. These clips are loaded into the magazine with the ammo and are ejected after all ammo is fired. Moon and Half Moon clips are used to load ammo into revolvers.



LoL, but wouldn't it be cool if they did??? (Just kidding)



No, the spring would be called "the spring". Magazines are comprised of three main parts: the casing, spring and follower. The follower is the part that is between the spring and the ammo that keeps the ammo from getting tangled up in the spring. The spring pushed up on the follower, and therefore pushes up on the ammo to push it up into the gun as cartridges are fired. And the casing holds it all together. There is NO clip in a magazine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can find more info on Wikipedia, by doing a Google search, or by going here: http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

I hope this helps everyone and we can all start using the proper terminology!!

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