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Old 08-19-2011, 04:51 PM
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"Fire-retardant materials are designed to burn slowly, in contrast to fire-resistant materials, which are designed not to burn at all."

found this on wikipedia.

so basically regular cammies are fire-retardant, and FROG is fire-resistant.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:11 PM
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There's an edit button at the bottom of your post, use it.

Actually FR uses the PEQ-2a (generally mounted on the left side of the RIS), PEQ-15 is part of the Block two upgrade. Also, FR uses the Aimpoint Mxx (sunshine, correct me please. You know where from), too. Not just the ACOG.

Saying "here's the only setup for an FR M4" is, well, wrong. There are a few ways to set up the rifle so that it can be correct for the impression AND be something you prefer.

Also, the EPC isn't used, its the MBAV.

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Old 08-19-2011, 05:14 PM
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dude, dont get information from wikipedia and act like its automatically true.

Recon has peq-15s, TRUST ME. the peq2s have been pretty much eliminated in the Marines, except for some rear echelon units, and i think FAST/SF still uses them.

EDIT: i dont even remember the last time i saw recon guys with aimpoints as their primary optic. its seldom used or has been replaced. i see alot of EOs tho, notable 552.

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Old 08-19-2011, 05:18 PM
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I'm not getting this from Wiki, rather a legitimate FR AAR. Don't go calling me a bad informant because you think its wrong.

Also, did you find the edit button?

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Old 08-19-2011, 05:20 PM
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im not thinking its wrong, i know its wrong, because i have first hand experience.

also, i know they use the MBAV not the EPC, however, how many airsofters do you know with an actual MBAV? so why would i tell him to get an MBAV?

also there are plenty of Marines that have used personally bought EPCs.
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Ughhh.... Flames.... Please stop friends.

EDIT: WAIT. Nape, you said don't automatically assume Wikipedia is true, but in your post RIGHT BEFORE Italian's, you quoted Wikipedia??? Palm has arrived at designated facial area.

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Old 08-19-2011, 05:39 PM
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Look man, Italian is speaking from photos he has seen and identified from his knowledge. So dont go hopping on the "You know nothing wagon". Also, one of the most famous FR marine photos shows him with a DBAL. As for Aimpoints, the M2 is seen in a few FR photos, I will gladly post if need be. Now, the MBAV topic, all it is, is an EPC with sewn in soft armor.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:03 PM
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there is no MBAV topic, we all know what it is, but its pointless to tell someone who doesnt know what items he needs for a loadout to get an MBAV since its impossible to find.

italian, i didnt say you cant use wikipedia.

sunshine, it doesnt matter what ONE photo shows. im not saying recon never used PEQ-2s, im not saying recon never used Aimpoints.

the discussion was what a recon loadout would be for RIGHT NOW. if you were to walk down to courthouse bay right now, and walk into 2nd Recons armory, what would you TYPICALLY find on an M4 on the shelf? an ACOG, and a peq-15.

obviously everything can be changed, and can be personallized. the OP wanted advice for what an average Recon Marine would be loaded out with, and that is the answer i gave.

can he put an aimpoint on there and a peq-2? sure. will it be the answer to what the OP asked? no.

Also sunshine, a peq-2 is not a DBAL.

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Aimpoint w/ Cantilever mount. Far right.


PEQ II AND Aimpoint. Far left.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:14 PM
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do you guys even read what i post? i just said they have used them in the past, but currently (im talking about in the last 2 years or so) use the peq-15 and acog/eotech more prominently.

but what would i know, i guess i should have spent the last 5 years combing the internet for pictures instead of spending it actually serving.

the picture above of the guys in a stack is from the 31st MEU, i dont know what year but im guessing -06-07.

the picture below is of the same FR platoon of the 31st MEU, 2010. NOTE the Peq-16.

http://www.marines.mil/unit/31stmeu/...-0581G-007.JPG

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Old 08-19-2011, 06:36 PM
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Gentlemen,

If I see any bashing of each other, hope to god your account is ban-hammer retardant. Flames will be the least of your issues on this forum.

Nape, thank you for the first hand experience and opinions. It's good to have. When/where did you serve? I'm just curious to see how valid your opinions are, not doubting you. I always like to know if a source of info is as good as I would like to believe.

Panda, did you really edit your post to say you're facepalming at someone? You say "stop flaming" and then immediately contradict yourself by flaming someone. Don't do it again.

As for this whole discussion, I think we've hit a big point in loadout reproduction; Find whatever they've used in that era and just do it. If there's evidence of it ever having been used, it's not wrong. Nothing is more right or accurate than another piece. The operators who are out there right now will generally use what works best for them or use what they have available to them and make the best of it. We must keep in mind that single photos are not an extremely accurate piece of information, simply due to the fact that the picture could be an example of an exception, not a rule.

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Old 08-19-2011, 06:42 PM
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i served as an infantry assaultman from 2006-2010, to include 2 deployments to iraq.

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Old 08-19-2011, 06:48 PM
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Red,

Thank you for reminding us why threads like these are completely useless. Gentlemen, I think if you will refer to my post (2nd one) that you will see that it is completely up to him. You should give him reference, but not argue about what is correct because honestly standardization is FUBAR most of the time.

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Also sunshine, a peq-2 is not a DBAL.

Dbal in use with 552.

To the original post, I think that out of all the information we can give you, the best is do your own research, because, IMO, that is the best part. http://gearsoc.com/board/ This website is one of the best to go off of. Completely full of information that is just waiting for you to access it and learn.

To Nape, understand, I am not trying to flame you, bash you, or question your credibillity of information, not even the amount of your information. But guys like me and Italian have been researching kits of our own, as well Clark and many many other who do impression based kits on here. We all learn a lot from others, so when someone pipes up and tries and share information, don't immediately shoot them down assuming they're wrong.

As for the topic of M4 accesories, for Block II, get Block II stuff. With Block II, you'll be doing as modern of impression as you can. With Block I, you're looking at an older kit, like pre-2006(Correct me when I am wrong, I don't remember when BlockII came out). But above all else, I will say again, get out and research and see what you like, and go from there.

Edit* Saw this cool guy photo, look at the guy on the left.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:59 PM
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next time ill just keep my mouth shut. as you said Red, single photos are not an extremely accurate piece of information, simply due to the fact that the picture could be an example of an exception, not a rule.

the other problem with pictures is they are used repeatedly on the internet, and many times the captions are lost. being able to say exactly which unit and time period a picture is from is very important.

the other other problem is weapons/optics/attachments vary greatly between units in the Marine Corps, something that isnt very understood unless you have served as a Marine.

EDIT: Sunshine, whats the background of that picture?

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Old 08-19-2011, 09:33 PM
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whats wrong with the guy on the left?
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:10 PM
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whats wrong with the guy on the left?
He is using both an ACOG and 552.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:51 PM
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You guys should go tell him he's doing "it" "wrong", I'm sure he'll be very appreciative of it.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:05 AM
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You guys should go tell him he's doing "it" "wrong", I'm sure he'll be very appreciative of it.
lol.

since hes using it it obviously works for him.
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Nape, you are correct about the pics. From that picture, I could inference that everyone in the USMC has an M4 with an M203 under it.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:11 AM
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Nape, you are correct about the pics. From that picture, I could inference that everyone in the USMC has an M4 with an M204 under it.
i dont know of anyone with a M204

but, we're gonna start seeing a hell of a lot of guys running ACOGs behind their 552s.

on that note, ive seen a lot of wierd **** in the Corps.

ive seen an ACOG with the full carry handle on the top of the RAS, and guys with the carry handles UNDER the RAS.

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Old 08-20-2011, 12:19 AM
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Nape, you dont know about M204s? They are M203s that are SOOO cool they get a +1, so then they are officially called M204s.

I fixed it. Thanks for that catch.
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thanks for the help im gonna get a nvg mount for my mich 2000 a ciras platecarrier and i already have everything else
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