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While I agree, get the TM or CA over the Echo 1 any day, I wouldn't call them a "piece." The only issue I have with Echo 1 P90s are the slow trigger response and rate of fire, other than the obvious difference in quality. They feel like they're struggling to pull the piston sometimes, even if it's just slow response. However, slap a 9.6v on it and possibly put a new motor in there, you'd be having a ball.

The durability (and everything else, for that matter) of the gun honestly depends on the batch and each individual gun. I literally tossed my P90 twice. Once in the woods, once in my house on carpeted floors. Neither time did it show any wear or tear from it.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:43 AM
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While I agree, get the TM or CA over the Echo 1 any day, I wouldn't call them a "piece." The only issue I have with Echo 1 P90s are the slow trigger response and rate of fire, other than the obvious difference in quality. They feel like they're struggling to pull the piston sometimes, even if it's just slow response. However, slap a 9.6v on it and possibly put a new motor in there, you'd be having a ball.

The durability (and everything else, for that matter) of the gun honestly depends on the batch and each individual gun. I literally tossed my P90 twice. Once in the woods, once in my house on carpeted floors. Neither time did it show any wear or tear from it.
Right there. That is why I advise people, especially newcomers, to stay away from clones. How much would it stink to chance it and get a faulty one? Sure, TMs are not perfect, but they are a lot more consistent than E1s (atleast in my observation and experience).

And finally, that why I advise CA or TM P90 and stay away from Echo (for really almost any gun for that matter).
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If you have the money, by all means, upgrade. I tell people this daily, buy the TM/CA/KWA/etc. over the clone guns. The cloners aren't worth the initial savings because you'll either A) want to upgrade later, or B) have problems with it.

However, what people must take into account, people don't play this sport for years. Some only play for months. Since the price range of guns has gone down and cloners are so readily available with, whether or not people agree, much higher quality control than they use to have, people can get into the sport for 2-3 months and leave without much financial repercussion to them. Cloners also tend to keep their value when reselling, because there is such a small space for wiggle room.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:27 AM
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I didn't realize what a great gun the P90 was until I bought one for my daughter and actually spent some time with it,,,,,what a awesome handling rifle!!!

Hers is shooting 370 fps after upgrades and is a TM.Very cool little gun!!!
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I recently bought V_Dub's TM P90 TR with a battery for $120. It did have an M120 spring and a "Modified TM Piston head." Not sure what it means by modified, but it is said to shoot 390 (Haven't gotten to chronograph it yet). When I took my AK-47 to EvilHead's house to have him drop in a weaker spring, I spotted a certain gun. I asked to hold it and he said sure. It was a CA P90. It felt... Just.... Natural. Thats the best word I use to explain it. I am a smaller person (5' 4", 115 lbs), so the lighter, more compact AEG would be perfect for me. About a month later, Vdub posted his P90 in the classified, I saved up, and met him. As soon as I got home I rushed for my speedloader, loaded up the magazine, and unloaded at a target. I immediately fell in a love so deep I had a feeling I would not love another gun this way. Ever. With the M120 spring in it and the modified piston head, it is louder than what it has been described as, but it is still ALOT quieter than my AK-47. He didn't have the silencer that comes with it, but I had a broken TSD M9 that came with a silencer (With an internal barrel extension) and to my luck, it fit. The lower receiver is a very sturdy feeling plastic and the upper receiver is made of the same high quality plastic. I have yet to field this gun, and I will need to pick up some magazines and pouches.

Overall, I would rate this gun 9.5/10. I take off 0.5 because with me, I have to shoulder it higher than a normal stock, but I will get used to it. Thank you Dora and Red for convincing me to get one. And thank you Vdub for selling it to me for such a low price. Sorry for the long, drawn-out (Possible Necro-post) post.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:17 PM
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^ Ha, glad you like the P90. It was mine originally before V_Dub traded me his M14.

Unless V_Dub replaced the upper reciever, it is actually very nice plastic. TM P90s are all plastic, unless upgraded.

Enjoy it! I'm still loving my other TM P90 TR to death!
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^ Ha, glad you like the P90. It was mine originally before V_Dub traded me his M14.

Unless V_Dub replaced the upper reciever, it is actually very nice plastic. TM P90s are all plastic, unless upgraded.

Enjoy it! I'm still loving my other TM P90 TR to death!
EDIT* I'm stupid, really. I felt the rails, and they were metal, but the upper receiver is plastic. I am RETARDED. Also, were you the person that modified the piston head? If so, what makes it "Modified"?
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:45 PM
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EDIT* I'm stupid, really. I felt the rails, and they were metal, but the upper receiver is plastic. I am RETARDED. Also, were you the person that modified the piston head? If so, what makes it "Modified"?
Don't be hard on yourself, it's an easy mistake to make

Nope, when it left my hands it was stock and the GB was virgin to my knowledge.
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^ Ohs, well then. Thanks though.
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great review! i have a tokyo mauri with a detachable red dot, i got rid of the stock red dot and put on a laser pointer flashlight and it works wonderfully!! mine is around 400 fps and cost me $119 on Airsoftmegastore.com i replaced the standard mags with a ultra hi cap mag that uses high cap m4 mags, and holds over 1600 rounds! ive never had a problem even in the cold winters of montana lol
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Anyone try out the MAG 170-round P90 mags? I just joined the P90 train to replace my FAMAS as my back up and double function as my CQB gun.

I decided to go with the CA90RD Proline for it's superior (?) externals.

I really, really wanted a VFC PDW but I couldn't justify the $700 it would cost me to get it to where I wanted (gun, mags, internal lipo). Plus, the more I thought about it, the P90 is a more efficient PDW, atleast in the airsoft world.

For now, I just ordered the gun from ASGI, but in a few months, I plan on placing another order for the MAG 4 piece set off of ASGI and buying 4 OD mag pouches and a "go bag", which I believe will fit the P90 perfect to discretely carry it and some other airsoft stuff, from ebay.


Here's a "go bag": http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Tactical-Sli...ht_2855wt_1165
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:21 AM
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i loved the whole review and your right . the FN P90 is a good airsoft. i got mine a day ago and i am in love with the gun good fire rate and good range.my came with silincer,flashlight(rail) and a dot scope(rail) i have a tri-rail verison. to me it was well worth the money XD
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Im looking to buy a P90 and have found a KART version. Anyone have any experiences with KART P90s or any KART for that matter. Ive tried to do some research on them but im not coming up with much.
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Well i've had my Echo 1 P90 for about 6 months now, and after comparing it to some other guns, (I do woodland/field play and CQB) I finally ran into a little problem. My P90 is lacking the range to hit anyone during woodland play. I was told this could be fixed with a new/upgraded hopup system, and a 6.04mm tightbore inner barrel. I just wanted to make sure I was buying the right internals before I wasted 60-120$
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Anyone try out the MAG 170-round P90 mags? I just joined the P90 train to replace my FAMAS as my back up and double function as my CQB gun.

I decided to go with the CA90RD Proline for it's superior (?) externals.

I really, really wanted a VFC PDW but I couldn't justify the $700 it would cost me to get it to where I wanted (gun, mags, internal lipo). Plus, the more I thought about it, the P90 is a more efficient PDW, atleast in the airsoft world.

For now, I just ordered the gun from ASGI, but in a few months, I plan on placing another order for the MAG 4 piece set off of ASGI and buying 4 OD mag pouches and a "go bag", which I believe will fit the P90 perfect to discretely carry it and some other airsoft stuff, from ebay.


Here's a "go bag": http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Tactical-Sli...ht_2855wt_1165
Well, what kind of style do you play, Milsim or woodland/field?

If you play Milsim, the MAG 170-round mags are perfect, but depending on where you get them, can be pricy.

If you play woodland/field/casual, the P90 Box mag and 300 round M4 style Hi-cap are always recommended for it's high capacity and a pouch space saver.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:31 PM
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Well, what kind of style do you play, Milsim or woodland/field?

If you play Milsim, the MAG 170-round mags are perfect, but depending on where you get them, can be pricy.

If you play woodland/field/casual, the P90 Box mag and 300 round M4 style Hi-cap are always recommended for it's high capacity and a pouch space saver.
Personally, I think those things are junk. To each their own, but it's almost bastardizing the awesome that is the P90.
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I've had a TM P90 for about three years or so now, and overall, it is a solid, well performing smg. My P90 has the built in red dot, and honestly that is my only issue with it. The sight profile is too low for me to use with my mask. Other people may not have this issue, but it can be a big problem for those of us that prefer well aimed shots versus spray and pray or hip/reflex point shooting. I have the same problem with the built in scope on my TM AUG. I like both in terms of performance but the sights on both mean that I use them as "loaners" or as back ups. I hope this helps perspective buyers.
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Personally, I think those things are junk. To each their own, but it's almost bastardizing the awesome that is the P90.
I agree the box mag is a pile of junk. If you want a compact weapon that feeds M4 mags, there are dozens of short barreled M4s to choose from.

The Box mag adds bulk to a weapon system that was already exceptionally well-thought out. You also lose ambidexterous function that makes the P90 an excellent CQB platform.

Lastly, the box mag is gimmicky at best. If you are running highcaps you have a somewhat useful way to never change mags, just dump your 1200+ BBs into the hopper. If you're using Midcaps and Low caps, you have to modify the boxmag to accept them.

Seems like alot of useless bulk just to feed from M4 mags - they should be banned from milsim play permanently <- that's not an opinion, its objective scientifically proven fact...
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... The sight profile is too low for me to use with my mask. ..... I hope this helps perspective buyers.
Or wear goggles instead of a mask.

P90 with tri-rail and a redot on top of that works wonders with ESS turbofans.

I've sold my TM P90 but can vouche as to it being an insanely good gun. If I didn't look so girlie using it, I'd still own it.
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EDIT* I'm stupid, really. I felt the rails, and they were metal, but the upper receiver is plastic. I am RETARDED. Also, were you the person that modified the piston head? If so, what makes it "Modified"?
When someone modifies a TM piston head, they usually drill holes into the top half of the piston head where the mold breaks are. This is said to help air expand the O ring and create a better seal.
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After using Malice Rygar's P90, I can safely say that the system impressed me. It was just..... comfortable. Everything felt right to me. Sure, the magazine system was weird and full-auto drained the 68-rounders fast, but it was a solid gun. And to people having problems with pouches, I just used my dump pouch to carry the other two mags. Not recommended, but it had the best accuracy from an SMG that I've seen to date. Pretty sure it was a Tokyo Marui.
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p90's are awesome.
from left to right, FNH, KS, echo1



the one in the middle is being modified with a 509mm inner barrel with internals to handle an m150 to m170 main spring (semi-auto only). the third already has a 363mm inner barrel and planning to have a dual sector gear in a few months. that's why it has a box mag (shooting over 50rps empties out hi-caps).

few mods i did was layering grip tape inside the stock to make it even more quiet. both have mosfets. barrels have been stabilized so they shoot accurate. stock setup has movement on the inner barrel. the reason i didn't get a TM is because i planned on upgrading the internals. the cost of the upgrades equaled the cost of a new TM p90.

the first one is there for comparison, it's my real steel ps90.

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good review. i posted a question about my echo 1 p90. if anyone can help me it would be greatly apreciated.
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Hey alex can you tell me what mosfet you use in your gun. What upgrades did you do to the echo 1? I put a systema magnum in mine and have a hurricane ftk as well as 9.6v batteries and an upgraded barrel. Any thing else i can do my gearbox cracked from the power of the gun and spring so i have no idea what to do next
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