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A non-biased P90 assessment

After reading a fairly biased comparison of the three P90s on the market (Tokyo Marui, Classic Army, and Echo 1), I decided that I'd throw down a relatively unbiased review/comparison of two of the three guns. Keep in mind, though, I've only used the Tokyo Marui in the field and test fired the Echo 1. I'd say that even with these credentials, I can supply adequate and helpful information, as I've been using the P90 for nearly two years now.

To start off, I'm going to review the P90 in general.

As I first laid my hands on this gun three years ago, I was a little thrown off by the feel of the gun. The way you grip a P90 and shoulder it is different than most every gun I've ever used. I found it to be uncomfortable, awkward, and I thought I looked like a total goofball. Dora was the guy who let me borrow his for the first time for a game, and he simply said "You'll get used to it." I thought that there was no way. I loved how the thing looked. It was different, no one owned one. But I couldn't bring myself to get comfortable with it.

After maybe two times using it, I found myself to be wrong under my previous assumption. I loved how the gun felt. I didn't use the thumb-hole on the P90 grip, instead I just positioned my hand like you would on an M4 style hand-guard. If you don't understand what position I'm talking about - lean back from the screen and act like you're shouldering an M4. Put your left arm out like usual, and see where/how your hand is placed. That is more or less how I held my P90 then, and how I still do it now. In that position, I felt comfortable. Now only if I could get a hang of those mag changes..

I soon found that the P90, as a weapons platform, was incredibly efficient for airsoft. Whether or not people believe it, the P90 mag changes do become fairly easy when you get used to them, and the magazines aren't as cumbersome as people think. Changing your magazine quickly and moving quickly are essential part of airsoft. If you're mobile, you'll win. The P90 offers extreme mobility as it is VERY light. It is listed as 2,200g (TM - 4.85 pounds) on Redwolf, but I would honestly be surprised if it weight that much. The gun is tiny, and you can round corners with incredibly ease (if you use it without the silencer. With the silencer, it is not as efficient, but still better than any other weapon system for CQB in my opinion).

Not only are you able to move, but when you decide to shoot, you won't be heard (if you're using the Tokyo Marui).

Another pro to the P90 is that when you pull the trigger, and you're a decent distance away (85 feet, maybe), you can't hear the P90 firing unless the person using it is laying on the trigger. The internals of the gun are insanely quiet, and that is the reason why I first fell in love with the gun. You had no idea that someone was shooting at you until the BBs were hitting you, ESPECIALLY if there was any noise going on. There was no whining of the gearbox, no loud POW of the piston hitting the cylinder head - nothing. It is a low "thoop" sound every time you fire.

Now, here's to the bad parts about the P90...

Magazines. Yes, the infamous P90 magazines. It seems that every problem that this platform has revolves around the magazines.

Brand to brand, the magazine quality will differ, but the over-all consensus is this: They're big and cumbersome. We've gone over the fact that it takes time to get used to them, but they are still big. When I got my P90, the cheapest magazine pouches were $15 for a single (Condor). I still use them, they still work fine. I've had no reason to replace them. Tactical Tailor magazine pouches are $20/single, and are generally a better pouch (they take up 1 MOLLE line instead of 1.5 like the Condor and are made with better materials). Now you have PANTAC making P90 mag pouches for $8 for a single, which is a steal. If I had to recommend a brand, I'd recommend either Tactical Tailor or PANTAC (for the price, their quality is incredible).

The pouches take up the entirety of the front of my BHI DOAV. I'm sure a lot of you have seen the rig I use, and you can see that I have no more room for anything on the front. And with only being able to do 6 pouches on the front of my vest with the Condor pouches (8 with TT), I can only get 470 or so rounds (6 on the vest, one in the gun). They only hold 68 rounds a piece for standards magazines.

Another con (if you get the tri-rail version), is that the sights are impossible to use even with low-profile goggles. I use ESS turbofans and I can't really see down the sights. If you HAVE to have sights, I'd get a repro/clone EOTech or real one, for that matter. Honestly to me, it isn't a big deal. I follow my BBs when I shoot instead of aim with an optic. I aim where I know my BB will be close, pop a shot. Quickly follow with a second.

Oh, and did I mention TM mags are $24 at AEX (plus shipping) and $28 at AirsoftSmith? And the Echo 1 magazines are $18 a pop at ASGI? They're not cheap. You'll get 2-3 P90 standard magazines for the price of 8 MAG Mid-cap STANAG magazines depending on the brand of P90 mags you buy. They're also a huge pain in the butt to load, and will eat up speed loaders if you're not careful.

Now before this becomes 10 pages long, I'll start on the review of the Tokyo Marui P90.

Tokyo Marui P90

The Tokyo Marui P90 comes in two different styles: The Red dot version, and the Tri-Rail version. The red dot version has the built in red dot (batteries not included) and no rails on the sides, or top. The sight is permanently attached to the gun. The RD package does not come with a silencer. However, the tri-tail package does come with a silencer as well as the top rail and two small side rails. The side rails are perfect for flashlights and lasers.

The gun comes stock at around 280 FPS, as does just about every TM made. It runs at a decent rate of fire with an 8.4v - you don't really want a fast rate of fire when the magazines can only hold 68 rounds. Besides, you'll kill the cool factor of having the quietest gun on the field.

Tokyo Marui REALLY hit the nail on the head with the internals of this gun, just like every other one of their AEGs. The gun won't jam (unless you use crappy BBs), the gun won't stop working for no reason, it won't double-feed, the hop up is PERFECT, and the gun is incredibly consistent. This gun at 280 FPS will match up to the Echo 1 E90 shooting at nearly 380 FPS due to its hop up unit. The internals will last you several years - most stock TMs will last you on the average of 3 years smoothly.

The externals are high quality plastics. ABS with some metal parts here and there. The gun is compact and condensed, so there is really no concern about this body. I had concerns when I used a TM M16 with those plastic receiver tabs, but the P90 has no such problems. The body is constructed extremely well, and feels really solid in your hands. There are no creaks or wobbles.

The Tokyo Marui magazines are incredible. Absolutely incredible. Dare I say that they're as reliable as PTW magazines? Yes, I do. Are they solid metal? Nope. Are they as realistic? No, not even close (weight wise), but still - for their purpose in Airsoft, the Tokyo Marui P90 standard magazines are the best magazines I've ever used, period. You can beat the crap out of them, smash them against a wall (which I have done a few times), throw them, slam them into the receiver with your hand, fall on them, and they will always work. You can't take a hammer to them, but they can take anything you can dish at them airsoft wise.

Have I mentioned the once you slap the mag in and fire it once to get the BB into the chamber, the gravity feed system will feed every single shot? Well, I have now. The system will feed literally every single shot out of a magazine. I have never, not once, in two years had a problem with the magazine firing every shot. That is why I say they're reliable.

Oh, and the one time I did - I took apart the magazine with help from Dora, got this foreign piece of material out of the magazine, put it back together, and it works again.

The battery compartment is also easy to put a small 8.4 battery in and out of. There are custom batteries for the P90 as well.

The gun will run you about $230 (plus shipping) overseas, and $265 (plus shipping, depending on where you're buying from) here in the states.

Gun rating: 9.0/10.0

Overall: The TM P90 is a rock, inside and out. Reliable, sturdy, and user-friendly. You may have to shell out a lot of money to get the platform complete, but it is well worth it if you're a fan of the P90.

Echo 1 E90:

The Echo 1 E90 is a clone of the Tokyo Marui P90. I've searched around, and as far as I can see, the only option for the E90 is the Tri-Rail version.

As with most Echo 1's, the gun's FPS varies. It comes from anywhere to 350 to 380 FPS. In my experience, the Echo 1 has just about the same rate of fire as the Tokyo Marui with the same battery.

The one big difference between the Tokyo Marui and Echo 1, is the battery compartment size. You can't really tell by the naked eye, but an Echo 1 can fit a 9.6v 1500 small type battery, whereas the TM can only fit an 8.4v 1500mah small type. With proper modification, the TM can fit a 9.6v, but Echo 1 improved upon the battery compartment.

The internals of the gun can handle 380 FPS, but as I'm reading reviews on ASGI, it seems that several people have had their gun go down after only a few events. For the most part, Echo 1 is reliable for their price range. Consistency is not quite as strict as TM, and the accuracy of the gun is not quite as impressive, but for $155, the gun shoots well.

The quality of plastic on the Echo 1 is a little less than the TM, but its still fairly high quality plastic. It is a little bit more shiny, and not as matte colored. Because of the P90 design, the plastic holds itself together very well. It is incredibly hard to crack or break the externals. The echo 1 has an all metal upper/front receiver, which is a nice perk. It doesn't really make the gun front heavy at all, either, due to its compact length.

Another perk is that the Echo 1 comes with a battery. Now, in my experiences with these batteries, they aren't reliable enough to not buy another battery. The batteries will make due. The gun also comes with a generic wall charger. It will take you close to 3.5-4 hours to charge the battery, and the reliability of those batteries isn't like an after market battery (like one from onlybatterypacks.com). Personally, neither of these accessories impress me. It IS a good perk to save you some money, but in the long run, you'll want to buy a smart charger and a good battery anyway.

The final impression that I got from the Echo 1 E90's that I've held and shot - they're loud. I was hoping that Echo 1 would keep the gun quiet, but unfortunately, you sacrifice the noise of the gun for the high FPS.

The magazines are also not as high quality. They feel lighter, and they've got some weak spots to them (the screw slots and spots with thin plastic, for instance). The high caps are supposedly better than the standards, but I have no experience with them. If you buy the Echo 1, I'd suggest sticking with some TM mags.


Gun Rating: 6.5/10.0


Overall: The gun is a solid clone. Not quite as sturdy or reliable as the TM, but for $155, you'll get the performance you need. Not many people could afford the P90 before, but now you can. I still think Echo 1 can improve on some aspects, but by no means should these small issues deter you from buying one.

Hope this helps anyone looking into a P90. If you have any further questions, feel free to PM me.
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:01 AM
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Stickied the post for future reading.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:30 PM
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The only thing I'd like to add to your post is that the TM standard mags are fairly complex(the most I've ever seen) You might need a small un jamming rod to hold the bb follower in place when reasembling. If you have seen one of these apart you will realize why the cost is so high.
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1st off, nice review! 2nd, I do not believe anything was said about the high cap mags in there. One of my friends has had 2 T.M high cap mags, and 4 low cap. Both the high cap mags broke, but the 4 low caps are still working fine, I am the 2nd owner, they are great! Bottom line...

High caps "tend to break"

Low caps "last for ever."
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:29 PM
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The TM high caps are not as good as the standards, no. As a general rule, standards will work better than high-caps (in any gun) 95% of the time. It is a rare occasion that a high cap will work better than a standard/mid.

As for the AMP mags, the new Midcaps, I definitely prefer TM standards over them. Try them out for yourself - I don't have much experience with them.

Cutthroat: The mags are INCREDIBLY complex to open up. Don't do it unless you are willing to lose that mag.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:34 PM
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I took apart Doras old one, got out all the water and mud and reassebled it. It works fine now.
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echo-1 p90

i have had my echo-1 p90 for about 3 months now. but there is something very important i must say. about 4 days after i got my p90 (and 2500bb's later) the trigger started messing up. it would'nt shoot in semi auto mode at all. even the half pull on the full-auto position was stuck, and the gun could only fire in full auto. well my gun was still in warranty so i sent it back to airsoftgi to be repaired. airsoftgi sent it to echo-1 and they fixed it. it was sent back to airsoftgi and then sent back to me. So far the gun is working good again. mine came with the test fire note saying it was shooting 390fps. well this little p90 is extremely accurate for such a small gun, and will easily compete in longer ranged matches in the woods. i have not used the p90 in a battle yet, but i think it will perform. its rate of fire is decent and it is EXTREMELY LOUD when the trigger is pulled you hear a beautifull shreak of metal gears and the bb flies out at blood drawing speed. i have 2 videos of it (1-review, 1-shooting test) on youtube check them out.

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Best review I've ever read, hands down.
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My stepbrother bought the TM version instead of the echo 1 after reading this. Very good review!
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Just a couple things, Red. The P90 RD does offer a single mounting rail on the side of the receiver. And clogspecialist, a friend of mine had that happen to his TM p90....but after 4 years not 2 days.
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Finally, after such a long period of abuse and hard work, I've gotten my TM P90 to have a problem.

This past Saturday at the Red Dragon Night Open 008 (hosted by SPEAR), my P90 had accuracy issues. The BBs were wet, the barrel was muddy and dirty. My magazines were caked in mud from a previous game at Valley Creek (I'm sure a few of you are familiar with the bog where you sink in 2-3 feet...) Conditions were awful for the thing. I believe this was the most torment I've put this thing through.

I cleaned out the barrel, which, might I add, is the first time I've ever done this to this gun. I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS TO ANY OF YOUR AIRSOFT REPLICAS! CLEAN YOUR BARREL AFTER EVERY FEW USES, IF NOT EVERY SINGLE USE! Baby your replicas if you want them to work well for a long time.

I wanted to beat the crap out of this P90 to really test the internals of the gun. I've never cleaned any part of it nor opened anything up besides taking the gearbox out of the gun so I could use the gun as a prop.

I cleaned the mags the best that I could as well.

The cloth that I cleaned the barrel with was so incredibly dirty that it looked black. The BBs from the game did not help with accuracy, either. They got soaked from the downpour we had mid-day. The moisture on them caused them to catch on the inside of the barrel, ultimately making them drop after so many feet. Or they simply flew off erratically.

Once I cleaned my barrel, I took my gun into Airsoftsmith, where I chrono'd the sucker and test fired it with new (and dry) BBs. The gun fired perfectly at 273 FPS with a .2. Consistently I might add. From shot to shot, the gun was only from 271 to 275 FPS.

It seems the problem was fixed simply by cleaning the barrel, magazines, and using dry BBs. Easy, simple, and no-brainer steps to keeping a gun functional. I shall update the status on this war horse once I take it out and test fire it outside. As of right now, the poor thing seems to still be running.

And to those of you who were curious - I'll never upgrade my baby
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Well Red, it seems your information has caused yet another player to purchase the P90.

Red has been talking to my daughter at events and he let her see the P90. The time came where all the AEG's I owned couldn't be used by her ( read, I have upgraded them too much). So she was given a budget and told to choose anything she wanted.

Her response, " I want what Red has" . Red, now I need to shoot you again because it changed her entire gear load. Oh well, its only money.

I am a large guy for those that don't know me. When I first fired this, it seemed comical. I have to agree 100% with Red, you get use to it and learn to appreciate what it can do.

Great post Red, and my daughter is anxious to show you her P90.
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Well Red, it seems your information has caused yet another player to purchase the P90.

Red has been talking to my daughter at events and he let her see the P90. The time came where all the AEG's I owned couldn't be used by her ( read, I have upgraded them too much). So she was given a budget and told to choose anything she wanted.

Her response, " I want what Red has" . Red, now I need to shoot you again because it changed her entire gear load. Oh well, its only money.

I am a large guy for those that don't know me. When I first fired this, it seemed comical. I have to agree 100% with Red, you get use to it and learn to appreciate what it can do.

Great post Red, and my daughter is anxious to show you her P90.
Excellent! I look forward to comparing and playing along side her. And of course you, my big old gal pal AWOL
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loved the review! I am more than likely purchasing the ECHO 1 for my first airsoft.
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Thanks I was just going to ask about the Echo 1 P90 so thanks for a detailed review.
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I just bought the CA P90 TR from airsoftsmith, Nice gun shooting at 380fps with the extened barrel that came with with it.( I got the barrel installed free thanks to the guys at airsoft smith, their awesome)

Cant wait to take this to a game and see how it holds up overall.


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Thanks for the info Beast.

After having purchased a PTW and played with the Systema mags, tested out MAG mags, SABRE mags, and Andax mags, I can confidently say that the Tokyo Marui P90 magazines are one of the most consistent and reliable magazines in the airsoft world, if not THE best. Big words, but I say that after extensive experience with a LOT of different magazine types for nearly every type of Airsoft gun on the market, they simply cannot be beat.

Granted, PTW magazines do take time to break in, and when they do, they're generally spectacular (MAG & Systema brand magazines, at least), but the P90 magazines surpass them in reliability. Sturdiness, no - You can't throw them against a brick wall like you can a metal PTW magazine. But, why would you do that?

Hopefully I'll be able to take a deeper look into the CA performance, but here's a taste of what the CA P90 is like:

The CA P90 tri-rail comes with a silencer, high cap (which, functioned flawlessly I might add), tight-bore inner barrel which travels the length of the silencer, and the quality of Classic Army, all for about $255 retail.

General quality/performance overview of the Classic Army Pro-line P90: The gun comes out of the box shooting 365 FPS with a rate of fire which is very similar to the Tokyo Marui P90. At least, on the 8.4v. On the 9.6v, I've not yet heard it, but I'm sure it's nice - just like every other Classic Army out there. With the tight-bore barrel installed, it shoots 380 FPS consistently, just as BEAST mentioned.

The body is awesome. Just like their G36's, CA made their P90 out of nice composites and ABS plastics. But one thing that REALLY stands out from the other P90s - the weight! This thing feels heavy compared to the other P90s out on the market. I'd say it weighs about 50% more than the Echo 1 P90, and 25-30% heavier than the TM. Those are rough estimates, though I think I'll actually weigh the E1 and CA on a scale next time I get the chance.

The gun is not as quiet as the TM, but it is more quiet than the E1 version. The hop up I've not gotten a chance to check out, but if it's anything like the current hop ups the CA has, there will be no problems with it. It'll perform great.

Preliminary rating: 9/10

If I ever get the chance to play with this guy, I'll give it a more thorough review. Until then, there's my rating on a scale of 1-10.

I have incredibly high standards for AEGs, and so far, the CA & TM P90 lines are some of the best on the market.

Hope this helps some of you out!

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Well, after talking to Red and Dora about the Tokyo Marui P90, I decided I wanted one.

I was really looking for two things in an AEG. Reliability and Compactness (Is that a word?)

I picked up the triple rail (TR) version of the TM P90. The gun itself is ~4 pounds of grey plastic, rock solid plastic.

First Impressions

I lifted the P90 from its styrofoam home, and immediately shouldered it. The gun felt solid, and a little weird to me, as all the other gun's I've owned are full metal (ICS M4, A&K M249, etc). But after positioning with it for a few minutes it began to feel comfortable, even enjoyable to hold. The body has no creaks or flimsy parts, although I can tap the body in some places and hear it is hollow, but it does not feel hollow to the user.

The magazine: A 68 round Standard P90 magazine, built by Tokyo Marui. Made completely of smoke-clear plastic with imitation 5.7mm rounds inside, this adds to the overall realism and looks cool. Solid, but still made of plastic. I was a bit suprised on the size of the magazines, very long mags. Around 10 1/2 inches long.

Build
The TM P90 TR is made completely of plastic, with the only metal on the gun being the rails themselves. The TM magazines are also completly plastic.

There is an seam line running the length of the gun on the top and bottom, not too obvious, but you can still see it. There is no real way to avoid this seam line, as it is how they put the gun together. The seam does not stick up like on most plastic cheaper guns, it is inset a fraction of a millimeter into the gun.

Firing
I'll admit it, the TM P90 is my favorite AEG now. Due to it's firepower and the way it fires.

Fact

The TM P90 is silent. You can't hear it 20 feet away. It does not make the usual gearbox noise, just a "thump" for each shot.

The selector switch is interesting, as the P90 has a double stage trigger, when you switch to full-auto, you can pull the trigger a small amount and it will fire semi-auto, pull it all the way and you shoot full-auto.

Trigger pull is crisp and short. I will be using this gun on semi-auto almost all its life, mainly for the next reason...

Range
Range for the TM P90 is amazing for a short compact "CQB" rifle, I outrange my ICS M4 by quite a bit. I don't have exact measurements, but I can hit a human torso at ~140 feet, and maybe farther.

The main reason for such range is the excellent TM hop-up, nothing else compares.

Upgrades
My TM P90 will stay stock, forever. The gearbox wil never be cracked open and will remain virgin. I have Madbull Tightbore (6.03mm) barrel in it, and it will stay that way. I'm looking for reliablity and longevity with this AEG, so stock it will be.

Problems
We all know the magazine problems, but it really isn't that big of deal. Pouches are fairly common with a few manufacturers (Condor/OETech, Pantac, Tactical Tailor), and are usually easy to find. They may cost more than other types of mags/pouches, but you have an awesome gun, so it's worth it!

Overall
I'll rate this gun in a few parts

Reliablity: 10/10, Fire ever single time I need it to
Range: 9/10, Shoots far for it's size
Cost: You can't compare this gun to clone P90s
ROF: 8/10, shoots fast for 8.4V battery

Overall this gun gets a 9/10. Almost perfect, and I would buy another in an instant.
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i have a question mdoes the tri rail TM that has the mock silencer. does the silence come off?
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Yes. It unscrews.

Dude, you really need to learn to google stuff. Every post of your has been a really really simple question that 10 seconds of googling could have answered
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To add to the Echo, the gun sucks. I don't care how much you want a P90, there is no reason to get the Echo. It is extremely poorly made. For a $150+ you have problems if you buy this piece when you can get much better guns, or, a CA P90 for $230 or even better, a TM for $265..

Why:
I have three people I know with the E90.
1. Guy bought one for research purposes and compare it to his two TM P90s. Not only were the seam lines extremely visible, they were breaking apart in his hands during usage!

2. Old friend got the E90 as a gift. Two days later he dropped it 3 feet onto his basement concrete. Yes, I know ofcourse no gun should be dropped, especially on concrete, but there is no reason other than poor quality for what happened next. Even on a small impact like that, the gun broke and half, again a problem with the damn seems, and everything feel out. He was so pissed. He harvest the crappy internals or something.

3. I haven't heard from this kid. He had just got it and was using it to skirmish. I held this one and could easily feel the cheap seams too. Again, I do not know how this gun is going as I have not talked with him.

Do your self a favor, for the P90, just save up the money and get the TM. I promise, you will not regret it.
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To add to the Echo, the gun sucks. I don't care how much you want a P90, there is no reason to get the Echo. It is extremely poorly made. For a $150+ you have problems if you buy this piece when you can get much better guns, or, a CA P90 for $230 or even better, a TM for $265..

Why:
I have three people I know with the E90.
1. Guy bought one for research purposes and compare it to his two TM P90s. Not only were the seam lines extremely visible, they were breaking apart in his hands during usage!

2. Old friend got the E90 as a gift. Two days later he dropped it 3 feet onto his basement concrete. Yes, I know ofcourse no gun should be dropped, especially on concrete, but there is no reason other than poor quality for what happened next. Even on a small impact like that, the gun broke and half, again a problem with the damn seems, and everything feel out. He was so pissed. He harvest the crappy internals or something.

3. I haven't heard from this kid. He had just got it and was using it to skirmish. I held this one and could easily feel the cheap seams too. Again, I do not know how this gun is going as I have not talked with him.

Do your self a favor, for the P90, just save up the money and get the TM. I promise, you will not regret it.
Have you personally used this gun or are you going solely based on a friend of a brother of a neighbor? As for dropping it three feet off the ground, I think any gun would've broken, TMs included. The shell is simply glued together. While I love my TM P90 and wouldn't switch to any other gun, I've noticed at times the back part of the gun would split a little bit if I tried to force in a slightly bigger battery. While you'll never see me support Echo 1 for anything, I think you can do better than "seems."
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Have you personally used this gun or are you going solely based on a friend of a brother of a neighbor? As for dropping it three feet off the ground, I think any gun would've broken, TMs included. The shell is simply glued together. While I love my TM P90 and wouldn't switch to any other gun, I've noticed at times the back part of the gun would split a little bit if I tried to force in a slightly bigger battery. While you'll never see me support Echo 1 for anything, I think you can do better than "seems."
I spelled seams "seems".

I have only used one in a game for a round and have held them multiple times.
To say any gun wouldn't break is silly. Even any plastic gun. I've dropped a few and fortunate for me, I never had any damage except maybe a scratch from a rock or something.

But that's my experience. And from my experience, I would not suggest them for even someone who wants a cheap P90.
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