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Magazine: A metal receptacle for a number of cartridges, inserted into certain types of automatic weapons

Clip: A cartridge clip, Any of various devices for gripping or holding things together; a clasp or fastener.
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Not to rain on the parade of the nomenclature police or anything, but if you call your weapon a gun, then you too are wrong and unworthy of my respect [note: sarcasm]. I think that the uber-negative connotation of "clip" comes from too much Hollywood.

After most soldiers complete basic training, they may get a little chiding for calling a mag a clip or a weapon a gun, but nobody really cares, except for drill instructors.
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I really don't remember anyone in basic training or throughout my entire service making a big deal about whether I called it a clip or a magazine. They just worried that I could discharge the contents center mass.

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Im kind of suprised no body gets this yet but this is Airsoft not real war.

You dont need a "clip" you dont need a "magazine" what you do need
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My Grandfather was in the United States Navy for 6 Years and he still calls Magazines Clips. If we're all arguing about MILSIM, I've seen so many people call Magazines Clips that are in and have been in the Military. I was recently watching the Military Channel, they were discussing the M16,they showed variants, they called the M4 an M16. And also called Magazines clips. I don't care if someone calls a Magazine a clip. I don't see what the argument is about. If I want to call a Magazine a clip go ahead, kill a kitten, call me a noob, ban me, I don't care. Calling a Clip a Magazine shouldn't matter.
Over the weekend i went out shooting with a few of my buddies. We went to one of the guy's dad's place. Dad is a Sergeant Major. I hear him say clip, so i asked. "Hey, i'm wondering, do you guys get on other's backs about clips vs mags." He laughed at me when i asked. So if the real thing doesnt get snippy about it, well thats good enough for me.


I sometimes mix 2 of my friends' names, they know what i mean and its not a big deal. They dont make a 3 page thread about it.

IMO, we as airsofters have alot more destructive habits to worry about than clip vs a mag. (This is like arguing about smoking vs non smoking when we got homies bustin caps in each other and robbin the innocent) I.E., ppl not knowing their engagement limits and shooing full auto from 4ft away. I see things like that being the downfall of airsoft, not knowing your terminology. It only takes one pissed off father, mother, person, ect ect.

Results for my weekend, the M1 Garand is an awesome gun to shoot. After a couple shots we had it battle site 0 and the accuracy was superb. Its also a sexy sound to hear the clip pop out. I got the opportunity to shoot a well crafted, taken care of Kimber .45. Very nice gun. My buddies dad was able to bring back alot of different guns from his tour in Afghanistan last year. Its shocking to see what kind of weapons some of them are firing. Some of them are running around with converted flint lock weapons.
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If people in the past, called magazines clips. And they didn't know the difference between them, are they stupid? Because, personally i use to call Magazines, Clips.
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stupid, no, uneducated about the term, yeah. No one is stupid in my eyes if they havent been taught yet. I think that is where alot of the mix up comes from... Uneducated individuals refer to mags as clips, when educated, it takes a while for them to break the habit.
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Okay, I guess it just needs said. A three page, or a ten page thread for that matter wont solve the issue. Yes it is a small issue, but it will probably never be resolved. We can't teach the whole world, because there are new people every day. But what we can do, is teach the uneducated newbs what a clip is and what a mag is and the difference when the say 'clip' or mag. If you want to get all gung-ho, and get all over someone, do it, write the word 'MAGAZINE' in all caps all over your magazines so they know. If not, then fine, just correct them, or correct them and tell them the correction was just for informational purposes and that you really don't care what they call it, or just don't correct them at all. The only thing we can do to help is correct people, unless we want to have a 'National Airsoft Magazine Awareness Month' or something. The bottom line is, yes the video is informational, and we can keep trying and keep on correcting people, and some of us can jump down thier throat if we wish, but either way, more newbs will come and newbs will say 'clips' instead of mags. We can't change the whole world, and if someone figures out how, then please, enlighten me.

Ignorant- due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
Stupid- lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
Okay, those are definitions I gathered from dictionary.com. The newbs who say 'clips' instead of mags are ignorant, and just need informing, the stupid ones are the ones who call 'magazines' 'clips' just must lack the 'quickness and keenness of mind' or must be 'dull' if they have been informed of the difference multiple times and have had plenty of times to get it right.
With what has been seeming to be the fasion lately with newbs calling 'mags' 'clips', me and some friends seemed to resolve the issue in a new way. When we hear someone say 'clips', we look at them and ask them for a hopper. They usually get what we mean, laugh about it, and correct thier mistake. I hope my point is clear, the issue will never be resolved, and once again we have came to the same conclusion, inform ignorant people and ignore the stupid ones (I can't say that I really know any 'stupid' people on AO).

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Disposable Soldier: Please feel free to correct me when I say "clips". You have to speak into my microphone, it is hidden among my 4 ARCOMS, two campaign ribbons and meritorious unit award.
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I don't think anyone is getting particularly "pissy". The fact of the matter is that while many think this is trivial, and it is terminology that most people accept, it's still completely wrong. A magazine is NOT in any way a clip. They are two separate things. A misnomer is a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation. While you may not think it's a big deal, the misuse of the word clip is still incorrect. It would be something akin to calling the President a Prime Minister all the time. Wouldn't you expect to get your butt kicked for doing that all the time??



Even though they are referring to the same thing, they are making an incorrect reference, and therefore are wrong. If someone told you something that was wrong, wouldn't you try to correct them by educating them about what is fact and what isn't?



I think you misunderstood. First, the clip isn't held by the magazine. A "clip" which is actually short for "stripper clip" or "charger" is actually speedloader for real guns (that have a magazine). A clip is a rail that holds the ammunition cartridges, typically in a line. A clip "clips" onto the top of a magazine and allows you to easily feed ammo into the magazine. Gunny specifically says in the video clip, "The clips feeds the magazine and the magazine feeds the rifle. Got it?" Clips make it a lot easier to load magazines, and aside from the loading process, are not associated with a magazine in any other way.

There are other types of clips as well. The En Bloc clip was used on the M1 Garand and did fit inside the magazine. These clips are loaded into the magazine with the ammo and are ejected after all ammo is fired. Moon and Half Moon clips are used to load ammo into revolvers.



LoL, but wouldn't it be cool if they did??? (Just kidding)



No, the spring would be called "the spring". Magazines are comprised of three main parts: the casing, spring and follower. The follower is the part that is between the spring and the ammo that keeps the ammo from getting tangled up in the spring. The spring pushed up on the follower, and therefore pushes up on the ammo to push it up into the gun as cartridges are fired. And the casing holds it all together. There is NO clip in a magazine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can find more info on Wikipedia, by doing a Google search, or by going here: http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

I hope this helps everyone and we can all start using the proper terminology!!

Darkstar out.
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K. So... two, three months later, I'm going to have to mention that both "clips," and "mags" hold cartridges and can be put into guns. In older guns, Magazines are only put in the gun at assembly, however. So "clips" and "mags" do have the same purpose. People really only see either of them as a vehicle for bullets, either way - Practicality has a lot to do with our vocabulary - 50-60 years ago, if you wanted bullets, you called for that which carried them: Clips. Now people call for things-that-hold-bullets, and it's a magazine. However, the old word (and something that is popularized by film) remains. Perhaps just the change in function of the magazine (it no longer simply holds cartridges, but transports them, as well) has caused some confusion with the change in firearm technology over the years.

You'll find lots of things like this in the dictionary, actually: our language is always evolving, and many words as well as grammatical norms have been argued about by linguists making the case for/against particular usages.

(BTW I dare you to neg rep me for bringing this up again. It's a valid point, and although it's been beaten to death, it's representative of one of the fundamentals of human language about which we all love to argue. Three pages of argument being my case-in-point.)
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And just to confuse matters even more, if you purchase a Marlin rifle that uses a box magazine the owners manual and all of the parts lists call a box magazine a "clip magazine". I guess this is to distinguish it from a tubular magazine, because they sell many rifles with tube mags too.

Marlin is the largest manufacterer of rifles in the US, maybe the world.

Then if you look at the military, they are the worst when it comes to names and terms for firearms. Especially rifles. They call a carbine a carbeen, a rifle invented by John Garand (pronounced "gairend") a Ger-RAAND' and EVERYTHING is an "M1" , be it a rifle, a carbine, a tank, a cartridge or even a Thompson submachinegun.

Lot's of people call cartridges "bullets", call rifles "shotguns" and call pistols "revolvers" and revolvers "pistols".

Don't get me started about phoney terms like "assault weapons".

People use the wrong terms all of the time in all subjects.

If you know what they are talking about when they use a commonly misused term its just not that big of a deal.

Do we really need to keep dwelling on it?
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If you know what they are talking about when they use a commonly misused term its just not that big of a deal.

Do we really need to keep dwelling on it?
I agree. I thought that we had clearly outlined why things are called what they are, and why people get frustrated about it if you get it "wrong".

I see no further need for discussion.
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So does that mean some guns don't have clips, only mags?
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Yes.

Please read the entire thread. The difference between clips and magazines was defined several times.
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lol....you wouln't know what herpes is like first hand...would you Evil?....lmao. And Finally. when I used to play I corrected people all the time on it! I should've posted this waay back when. :P
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It's also a sign of professionalism. Movies screw it up all the time, and those who refer to mags as "clips" have probably watched too many John Woo movies. If they get something little like that wrong, they might just believe the movies a little too much and get something much more important wrong.
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Does this really matter in anything but strict milsim games? I know it's a misnomer but if some guy says it in the middle of a firefight I think there are more pressing issues than lecturing him on this.
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please just let this thread die, I am honestly tired of looking at it when ever I log on to AO to see if somthing interesting is posted... no... just another necro post.
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