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Old 01-07-2014, 12:45 PM
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Airsoft qualifications

This is a idea i had about airsoft team roles and training kinda weird but i want to see what the community thinks. So i have been to a airsoft tactical training event and greatly enjoyed it but the problem i have is that i know it but no one else knows i know it. This leads to a lot of annoying situations where the elite group of players goes off on a scouting mission and i cant come because of me being a "little kid".

So what if airsoft had something along the lines of a qualifications system. Similiar to the military where there are places like Jungle warfare school or Ranger tab. For instance john goes off to a tactical course somewhere and gets qualified in room clearing or some other skill like that. He then can get a bunch of other courses like team movement or cover and concealment and get a patch like basic or regular. Then there are multiple tiers going up to something as crazy as underwater dual wielding(not really but some more realistic advanced course) and getting a patch like operator or advanced.

This can also help for squad roles. If at a event there is some issue over who is the sniper, medic or driver. Then if one person has there support qualification basic and the other has there support qualification advanced it can make it easier.

This is kind of a pipe dream and I dont know if there is a good way to implement it or not. It just makes it easier on good youngins in setting us apart from the general perception of new/young players

So basically just wondering if you think that would add a whole new level to airsoft or ruin it
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:55 PM
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I just woke up, haven't had coffee, so I might have misread half the stuff you said. But from what I gathered, you're basically thinking that people should get "qualified" to do things such as clearing a room correct?

Well I mean yeah that sounds cool but let's remember that we're here to just play a game. I prefer to just go out there, get some kills, achieve the objectives, and go home sore as hell. I think you're getting a little too deep into the hobby. Remember what Ray said, (paraphrasing) We're just a bunch of guys who play dress up and go play war in the woods. Nothing more, nothing less.

Here's what the younger players should do:
Find a group of older guys who know what they're doing, run with them and LEARN what they do that makes them successful. No need for qualification. Just develop your skills though time and experience.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:59 PM
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Hmmmmmm...I think I understand....haha

Actually, that sounds like it might be a pretty cool idea! I doubt that it would ever get to the state you are thinking of within the next 3 years or so, but a form of it could probably work if a couple places IE Fallen Warriors, Devils Playground and maybe 1 or 2 others all got together to form some sort of rules they could all use.

I do not know exactly what you are picturing in your mind, but in short, I think it could work to some degree.

Then again........I also see it just being laughed at and not working whatsoever.... haha good idea though. I like when people come up with cool ideas and post them for discussion.
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Old 01-07-2014, 01:01 PM
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I second exactly what Daxter said (he posted right before me so I didn't see his until after I posted)

Now that I think about it, it would probably just be complicated and stuff. I don't really see it lifting off the ground.

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Old 01-07-2014, 03:02 PM
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i didnt think it would work either its more of a theory and what if
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:39 PM
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My team in Indiana does qualification (rifle, role, pt, ect) and it has worked like a charm for my team. Be warned though, it does turn away a lot of potential recruits, but I wouldnt have it any other way because my airsoft team members are highly skilled (in airsoft that is)
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:23 PM
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In reply to dexter i feel confident in my skills but it is just that i have been to some events where rightly so people including me get annoyed at the younger players because the team is made up of more than half of them and a lot of them dont know what theyre doing. the blame gets heaped to younger players as a whole im just trying to think of a thing to prevent this but. i highly doubt anything will fix this problem because its one of those things that just all ways going to be there
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The issue with "qualifying" is that just because you go to a training event doesnt mean you are proficient with a skill set. IE, room clearing takes tons of time to master. You can learn the basics in about 20min, but getting it right all the time still means that you will most likely die on the way in. The other big issue is that even if everyone knows how to do something, if you havent worked or practiced together you will make mistakes. Some teams tap back and then forward, some tap forward. The only way to get really good and I mean really good is to constantly train with a group of guys and only play with them.

You need a team to run with and you need to have a set role that doesnt change. The reality is that you will be thrown together in a rag tag bunch. In instances like that you will need to know basic stuff and thats about it.

As for the personal training. I think everyone should site their guns, practice reloads, and shooting positions so they can be the best player they can. If you find a group of dedicated individuals, then make a fire team (5 guys). So that you can integrate with other fire teams. You will find that you will become more effective.
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It seems silly that you should have things like this determine a role.
You know yourself and your interests better than anyone else.
This is just a game, so your "role" is up to you.
Like leading? Squad leader.
Like blowing stuff up? Explosives/engineer
Like shooting the heck out of everything? LMG / SAW person (forgot technical name
Like helping people? Medic
Etc, etc
It's your hobby, your decision.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:51 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been playing airsoft and how long have you been engaged with the AO community?
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Please, for the love of God, no. Airsoft is a game, I don't play this so I can be forced to go to "Training Events" and "Qualify" for certain roles.

We're shooting at each other with plastic pellets, not fighting the next World War.
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Qualifications in airsoft really are meaningless. People will respect you based on your personal experience playing and knowing what you are talking about from experience, not from sewing tabs and patches on your uniform.

Who do you have train you? Are they actually qualified to train? Do they know what they're doing?

If you want to attend courses, nothing is stopping you from ponying up the cash to attend training - there are several airsofters who offer real SWAT/Military training. Of all of those who could train you, none of them are half as good as Sparky.

Sparky will train you to be the best airsofter/security contractor/helicopter pilot evaR.

All he asks of you is obedience and loyalty.

Put your faith in Sparky and it will be rewarded.


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Old 01-07-2014, 07:11 PM
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I have not been here long i just had the idea and was wondering what people thought
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As I learned and gained experience, I also gained friends and respect in the community.

This hobby takes up a lot of time and energy, you need to be able to devote time to go to events and learn. Read on forums such as AO and other forums or pages.

I remember when I was new to the community and young airsofter. I started playing with the AO community back in Jan of 2008. Within a year or two I had a veteran guiding me at events and guiding me on airsoft purchases. Then I started to meet more people at events and fields. Found fellow players that had a similar style of play as me and I would play with them.
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:16 PM
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Kismet,

Your idea is one popular with "newer" airsoft players, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The idea of making airsoft more structured, militant, organized and having the ability to obtain individual awards or medals is common with the younger generation of airsofters.

This is purely speculation, but I'm assuming you're : In high school, have always had a love for all things military, maybe even have a family member or close friend in the military, and you want that feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction they show when they put on that uniform. I don't blame you, it's a one of a kind feeling. Part of your desire probably comes from being a boy scout as well. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting that satisfaction, pride, and sense of accomplishment in airsoft - or anything else in life for that matter.

Airsoft, however, is a very finicky thing. It's like an onion, there are many different layers to it. You have the kids who play in their parents backyards, the kids who only focus on making sure they have the "namebrand" equipment, the "hardcore" MilSim guys who try to replicate military standards, and the majority who play airsoft as a hobby because they love the camaraderie that airsoft brings with it. Airsoft, in my opinion, should never be taken seriously. I look at it like a hobby, similar to collecting baseball cards or coins. You play it for the love of it. plain and simple.

If you are passionate about seeking that satisfaction of winning, of wearing those medals or patches on your chest or shoulders, then I strongly suggest looking into the JROTC program that your community may offer. It's there for a reason, the same reason you created this thread in fact. To help young boys turn into men by instilling the values of integrity, honor, and resilience in them.

You have a very vast community here, full of every "caliber" of airsofter. Focus on surrounding yourself with the type of airsofters you want to become. There are plenty of people here with years of military, law enforcement, or government experience. If you decide to take advantage of that fact and seek knowledge rather than assuming you " know-it-all" you'll be that much further ahead of everyone else your age.

In a nutshell, there are plenty of opportunities out there to achieve what you're looking for. Airsoft, at least as a community, is not crazy about trying new things. They like their old ways and fear change.

Welcome to AO, don't forget to write up an introduction thread and, more importantly, I hope you find what you're looking for.
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Can't like that Sparky post any more than I do. Dead. Spot. On!

Welcome to the forum Kismet. Just remember, like Sparky said, this community has all types. Don't take anything too personal, but at the same time, think and re-read your posts twice before you hit that button to make sure it's getting your point, question, or answer clear. Read up on the forum rules (cause there are folks who like to Zap new folks with sarcastic and sometimes rude replies when you haven't and it's obvious). Look forward to sharing the field with you sometime!
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Old 01-07-2014, 08:58 PM
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Yeah guessd dead on unfortunately already involved with so many of the things you mentioned Boy Scouts,ROTC etc Nothing really else to join. Question introductory post ive never heard of that if i could get some more info thanks sorry to change the subject
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Kismet,

Click here: http://www.airsoftohio.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=311

Also, work on your spelling and grammar. The majority of people here don't know who you are as a person, they only know you by how well you present yourself here on the forums. Proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation go a long way.
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sorry didn't see that page as soon as i posted i noticed all those typos
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Aparrently his shift key isn't working either.
But let me add my $.02. and be warned there may be butt hurt ahead.
So you have a bunch of people qualified. That's not gonna stop others from playing that don't know what they are doing. Then what limit games to only those qualified? How are you going to get qualified if you don't/can't play? I play for fun. I get enjoyment out of it ( and beleive me it's tough when most of the other players are 45 years younger than me). It's a nice idea and it may work for some, but I'll pass on it.
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Thanks for all of the feedback from everybody. It is good to to give your ideas a trial by fire and some are a hit some are a miss, But thank you for sharing your opinions with me.
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Let me to tell some words about subject of the discussion (do not throw a stones to me )

Some Russian airsoft societies try to make a qualified tasks for men who want to be a team member. Example of it:
1. Running with full equipment (approximately 30 LBS in the transport jacket + airsoft gun) for the distance about 5-7 miles
2. Diassembling and assembling airsoft weapon
3. Write a short story with the theme (theme of story is provided by teamleader) for 10 minutes, in this period team members blasts over 30-40 airsoft pyrotechnics grenades near the challenger
4. Additional running on 1-2 miles (with full equipment too)
5. Making an airsoft exeксises (like target shooting, ecuiping the clips, grenades throwing etc).

Coolest then this qualify only tests for the russian red beret

If to speak seriously - good team leader see good player. if other players will see that you do the orders, adequate player, good friend etc - they will not count you "little kid". In every society, respect can not be bought, it can win.
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