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i like how you censored the optic on that nagant.
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you said it right here in your post...

500M is an ENGAGEMENT not an assault. they didnt name it an AR because it stood for "long range sniper rifle".... it stands for "assault rifle" or in some circles "Attack Rifle"

the US military designates 500M as Battle Rifle Distance and thats where the M14's, mausers, garands, cetme, HK's all excel at. sure a Garand is heavy for ASSAULTING A HOUSE... but if we are both 500M+ taking shots? the battle rifles have a very distinct advantage.

i said in my post that plenty of people qualify at 500M with a M4/16 series gun. happens every day.

still doesnt change the fact that at that distance a .308, 54r or 8mm are much more effective.

as to "demonizing"? ah man thats a term for liberals & left winger anti gun goons who think the gooberment will protect them.

obviously im NOT one of those. we are all on the same side here. im pro gun in every way...

got AR's in every caliber you could imagine and honestly 5.56 is my least favorite.

here's some the calibers i run in AR's:

22lr
TOKAREV
9MM
45ACP
5.7x28
5.45X39
7.62X39
5.56/.223
450thumper
and in the not too distant future .357mag

so dont want you to think im anti blackrifle... cause i love them and build them all the time. its just not what id choose for the 500M range.

honestly id probably pick up my bren or my PKM for that distance.

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While I do agree with what you said, I have a problem with the terminology. "Assault rifle" is such a liberal term to demonize something that is military oriented especially when there are plenty of variants that aren't meant to be used in a combat environment. An AR or M14 is a rifle or weapon. Simple.

An AR can be used for longer distance. Last time I heard, Marines still qualify out to 500m..
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Unfortunately people doesn't realize a term/classification for a weapon isn't based just on design but also its' caliber. ie A military rifle chambered in 308/7.62x51 is a Battle Rifle. 5.7x28 is classified as a PDW round NOT a SMG round. The P90 is not a submachinegun it's a Personal Defense Weapon. Eat me Counter Strike...

The "Assault rifle" term gets thrown around also. The AR15 by design was semi-auto and isn't an assault rifle. When the M16 (select-fire AR15) was created your "modern" American assault rifle was born. Just like beer, the Germans had 5 standards for classifying an assault rifle. 1. Must be shoulder-able 2. Select-fire 3. More power than a pistol and below a battle rifle 4. Detachable magazine. 5. Min firing range of 300m. If Hitler did anything right, his terms and weapons changed the world.

Jump ahead to the wonderful 1994 FAWB signed by Clinton, filled our brains with **** and facts..well (insert bull****)..anyways which most Americans didn't care to read or understand. Assault rifle became assault weapon and soccer moms went ape ****. 10yrs later when everyone realized they ****ed up and handguns killed more people than assweapons, congress like always did nothing (Sunset = Winning) and I could have my evil features back at post ban pricing. YEAH Democracy....

I still laugh when I think about the Brady Bill sunset and all the people that thought they could legally buy machine guns like tshirts at Walmart. oh America you so crazy. <3 GUNS

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i like how you censored the optic on that nagant.
Unintintional...
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thats a great cartoon you got there!

unfortunately if you are running in the circles we do, you already know that the "string" has been classified as a machine gun along with "the rubber band method".

the brady bill/assault weapons bans were totally useless and only affected people who wanted to be controlled by them.

its kinda like a lock on a house door... it only helps to keep honest people honest..

a real criminal is coming in thru a window.

same with guns. if you really want one, you can buy them all day long for next to nothing on the BMrkt...

guns are only expensive when we purchase them legally and with all the paperwork.

thats why i got into building them to start with... to offset the cost.

the numbers of how many homebuilt firearms (ak's, ar's...) over the last 10 years would blow your mind.

gun control is not a battle that can ever be won in this country. lots of the people in the hobby build guns just to go bury them for such an occasion. they are a little more "out there" than me. i build them TO SHOOT & because i can. :-)

lets get back to posting some pix.

have i posted my current favorite in here yet? bought this from MrM4 on our site he's a very well respected 03/sot guy who cuts killer deals on these.



if have? sorry after a while with all the posting i do on our site and others it all blurs together.
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Man, alot of you gentlemen sure do got some fine instruments of warfare!
Sooo... does anyone else like playing with smoke and fire?? It also fires .22LR with the $20.00 adapter. Its one of my survival kit guns, its also a fun shooter for the evening hours.

Also, its not a firearm.. but it is made out of steel LOL. It's a product of a rainy Sunday consisting of sittin in the garage that turned into an afternoon of building a Door Breacher. lol ... boy if we havent all been there, aye?

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Old 04-01-2012, 09:23 AM
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well the thread has been stale a while... so here is a few second video of a gun i posted a while back in action.

DemonDave is doing the testing on this cause "video girl" wasnt around & had to shoot this myself.

its the PSL shorty in 7.62x54R

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Old 04-03-2012, 10:17 AM
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Talking

ok how about this little beltfed?

i didnt build this one, its commercially made but am planning on doing a different lower for it with a set of mini spades and such.

this is called a 22lr razorback & its by lakeside machine who is a member WeaponsGuild....

its a lot of fun and cheap to shoot.

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My first semi build.

Del ton 16" complete mid length upper
1x9 twist CL 5.56
Del ton LPK
ATI lower
F marked front sight
YHM diamond FF
Magpul xtm panels
Magpul acs stock
Magpul moe grip
Magpul Mbus gen 2
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How did you like the quality of the Del-ton upper? I've been thinking about building a 6.8 SPC carbine length upper and was wondering about Del-tons quality. Does it have M4 ramps? I'm wondering about the receiver itself.
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How did you like the quality of the Del-ton upper? I've been thinking about building a 6.8 SPC carbine length upper and was wondering about Del-tons quality. Does it have M4 ramps? I'm wondering about the receiver itself.
So far it is super nice. good finish and everything feels solid. I havent got to take it to the range yet but I have squeeze off a few mags at my house with no hickups. it comes with m4 feed ramps and white t marks. The life time guarantee got me. I did alot of reading reviews on Del ton before I ordered and I didnt really see any negative feed back.
The only con I can think of is the 4 to 6 week lead time right now. But from what I have been hearing almost all of the AR companys have long lead times right now.
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Delton is pretty good stuff and you usually dont have too many problems with their stuff.

the AR market is just saturated with parts and uppers... there really isnt a delay other than the one they create to keep the prices up.

there are literally thousands of units setting on the shelves. if your in Ohio and have time to run down to Knob Creek this fall you can pick up as many as you want..

YES they will have the prices raised there too. its what they do.

much cheaper to just get the components and build them yourself.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:40 PM
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Delton is pretty good stuff and you usually dont have too many problems with their stuff.

the AR market is just saturated with parts and uppers... there really isnt a delay other than the one they create to keep the prices up.

there are literally thousands of units setting on the shelves. if your in Ohio and have time to run down to Knob Creek this fall you can pick up as many as you want..

YES they will have the prices raised there too. its what they do.

much cheaper to just get the components and build them yourself.
I totally agree. Build it yourself and save a ton. With out all the magpul stuff and red dot i would have only dropped about 670 to build my rifle.
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Mine was 680 and I bought it brand new assembled...Call me crazy, but $10 isn't much.
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Mine was 680 and I bought it brand new assembled...Call me crazy, but $10 isn't much.
well if you want it bare bones i could build one for under 500 but thats without and chrome lining on barrel and bolt. barrel twist would most likely be over 1x9 , no free float rails.
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Thanks Flex and SDK for the info on Del-ton. I will be building the upper, as complete uppers in 6.8 are usually very expensive. Plus building is way more fun. I built my rifle length 6.8 upper with a Double Star receiver and am happy with it, but thought I would explore my options. Thanks again
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680??? holy cow thats a lot of money!

a colt over run kit is about $400 then you buy the blank or make your own lower for less than $100....

that only puts you at about $500 for a regular style M4, for $550 you can do a stock M16.

but then again you can spend $500 on a barrel if you arent careful.
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680??? holy cow thats a lot of money!

a colt over run kit is about $400 then you buy the blank or make your own lower for less than $100....

that only puts you at about $500 for a regular style M4, for $550 you can do a stock M16.

but then again you can spend $500 on a barrel if you arent careful.
My Lower was $100 at target world , My upper rifle kit was $470 with lower parts kit , YHM rails $125 , and was $45 to get barrel chrome lined.
Where are you getting complete colt rifle kits for $400 and lower with lower parts for under $100 if you dont mind me asking?
Im planning another build soon. Going to get my stamp and build a sbr.
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heh heh...

i was getting COMPLETE kits with FCG/bolt/stocks... EVERYTHING but the lower receiver for $400. moved probably 50 of them last year.

lets just say that in my main hobby you find these things. :-)

a good "registered" lower is around $100 and the blanks that you finish yourself were going for $60-80.. bought several dozen of those.

NEVER plan to have to reach very far to put my hands on a gun.

LMAO when people tell you i build firearms all the time they really mean ALL the time.



PS: FLEX77 if you want a complete lower for $99 try these: http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/New_...fa-lw15blk.htm

ive used bunches of these in polymer. they rock for the $$ lifetime garuantee'd
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heh heh...

i was getting COMPLETE kits with FCG/bolt/stocks... EVERYTHING but the lower receiver for $400. moved probably 50 of them last year.

lets just say that in my main hobby you find these things. :-)

a good "registered" lower is around $100 and the blanks that you finish yourself were going for $60-80.. bought several dozen of those.

NEVER plan to have to reach very far to put my hands on a gun.

LMAO when people tell you i build firearms all the time they really mean ALL the time.



PS: FLEX77 if you want a complete lower for $99 try these: http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/New_...fa-lw15blk.htm

ive used bunches of these in polymer. they rock for the $$ lifetime garuantee'd
Thanks skd for the info! I will look into them.
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Thanks skd for the info! I will look into them.
There have been issues with those lowers, and the same lowers branded by other names. They have a tendency to crack behind the pistol grip, in front of the buffer tube, although nobody has said what they were doing when they did.
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of course ive heard that ..... i was lucky enough to be a tester in the original batch(from PlumCrazy) before these went big public & were offered in 6 names.

we ran these on 22lr, 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 9mm, 45, TOK & 10 shots from a 50BMG upper...... never had any problems or malfunctions at all.

if your on the AR boards it turns into one of those discussions that actually ends up just like a "GLOCK" argument.

if your anti "polymer" guns....? obviously these wont be for that crowd... :-)

but in all actuality there are only a couple of these that have ever been proven to have been broken IN USE verses by someone messing them up on purpose.

the picture thats all over the net of the one broken at the rear was actually broken with a pipe wrench when the guy went cranking on the buffer tube & snapped the assembly.

the one that i know broke under regular use was the front pin location. it was replaced free of charge as promised.

these are good people who designed and came up with a product to fight the outrageous cost everybody was trying to stick "us" (the consumer) with.

they limit the selling price so that dealer can only make a small profit on them..... exactly like they say they make....

i still make my own lowers & i use these too. plus of course got a pile of "regular" store boughts... its all about what ya want at the time.

the most amazing thing about these is the polymer FCG. its actually VERY good.
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of course ive heard that ..... i was lucky enough to be a tester in the original batch(from PlumCrazy) before these went big public & were offered in 6 names.

we ran these on 22lr, 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 9mm, 45, TOK & 10 shots from a 50BMG upper...... never had any problems or malfunctions at all.

if your on the AR boards it turns into one of those discussions that actually ends up just like a "GLOCK" argument.

if your anti "polymer" guns....? obviously these wont be for that crowd... :-)

but in all actuality there are only a couple of these that have ever been proven to have been broken IN USE verses by someone messing them up on purpose.

the picture thats all over the net of the one broken at the rear was actually broken with a pipe wrench when the guy went cranking on the buffer tube & snapped the assembly.

the one that i know broke under regular use was the front pin location. it was replaced free of charge as promised.

these are good people who designed and came up with a product to fight the outrageous cost everybody was trying to stick "us" (the consumer) with.

they limit the selling price so that dealer can only make a small profit on them..... exactly like they say they make....

i still make my own lowers & i use these too. plus of course got a pile of "regular" store boughts... its all about what ya want at the time.

the most amazing thing about these is the polymer FCG. its actually VERY good.
I'm far from Anti-polymer guns. The pistol I carry around daily is an M&P9, and I owned a Cav Arms MKII polymer lower, which was fantastic. I've handed and shot ar15s built on these PC plastic lowers, and all of them have had issues, several with the FCG itself, and no, I don't have pictures, because they weren't my guns. I can post pictures found around the net of PC stuff that's been broken though, should you so request.

The one good thing I'll say about PC is that they have a pretty good warranty service....
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glad your not a anti polymer guy... deal with them everyday.

i have a little more "inside" on these than just pictures gathered from around the net... anybody with 5 minutes can find those.

just guessing from your post, that ive probably got more of these PC/Frontiers in the vault on lowers than you've seen with an issue on the net.

theres not a publicized picture/complaint of one of these on the net that hasnt come thru our forum at sometime or another for discu/argument.

ive put thousands of rounds thru these things in those calibers listed before we would ever let them be posted on our site and never had the first failure even running full auto's &/or bumpstocks. we've had hundreds sold thru our site on GB's by authorized dealers with no complaints or failures & our members build and shoot guns religiously.

when one fails we will post it and tear it to pieces to find out what actually went wrong and how it can be fixed or avoided. its what we do.

we had a discussion on the failures on another forum with a guy who was anti polymer and anti these... of course he'd never held one, never shot one, never owned one.... obviously never had a failure.. but do to a picture on the internet he deemed them "no good" for anybody & that the maker should be closed.

to me they are a great alternative for people who dont want to pay $250-$350 for a complete lower.

for my personal use? i love them on the 22lr dedicated upper for my kids & they also perform very well on the AR57 upper & my MagPul'd 5.56 has one of these too.

still mill out my own lowers most of the time, but thats just because ive got them/can and nothing i do is ever regular old cheap standard AR anymore, its all crazy stuff.

but if you break one YOURSELF id love for you to post it up and share it with us! help the gun community learn from your experience.
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How did you like the quality of the Del-ton upper? I've been thinking about building a 6.8 SPC carbine length upper and was wondering about Del-tons quality. Does it have M4 ramps? I'm wondering about the receiver itself.
Finally got my Del ton to the range. its a tacker at 200 yards
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