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Old 11-03-2008, 01:10 PM
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ECHO 1 614 (H&K 416 M4 Replica) Parts Question

Last weekend at OPBP, I won one of the ECHO 1 614's, the ECHO 1 version of the H&K 416 M4. I think I'm going to keep it as a loaner AEG and my last ditch back up. However, there are a few issues I want to take care of. I've never owned one of these new cheap AEG's and just have a few questions. Keep in mind that due to the cheap nature of this AEG, I don't want to use any high end parts. I just want to stick with LPEG parts (ECHO 1, JG, Dboy, etc.)

1) I just wanted confirmation that ECHO 1 and JG AEG's are the same exact AEG, just rebranded. I've heard the ECHO 1's are just JG that have been inspected, tested, and supposedly upgraded with some better parts. Just looking for the real story.

2) What kind of hop up is in the ECHO 1? I haven't cracked it open yet to look, but I heard its got a 2 peice hop up like on the TM M4's.

3) Will the ECHO 1 614 take standard TM internal parts, like gears, mechboxes, motors, pistons, cylinders etc.?

4) What about metal bodies? I saw that Ebay Banned had Dboy metal M4 bodies for like $50. Will the Dboy body fit the ECHO 1 with no modification. Right now, I plan on sticking with the stock plastic body, but I'd just like to know if the Dboy body would fit, so I have a replacement, when the ECHO 1 body breaks.

5) Does the Dboy body take standard System / Classic Army style one peice hop up units?

6) Will the Dboy Crane stock work on the ECHO 1 if I rewire it to the back?

7) What battery does the Dboy Crane stock take. It would be nice if it takes my Prime / CA style Crane stock batteries (10.8v 3300 mah and 9.6v 3800 mah batteries).

8) There is just a slight bit of RIS wobble. Short of getting a SWAN rail or a RAS Fix, is there any way to eliminate the RIS wobble.

9) I'm not going to touch the internals until I have to, but I would like a tight bore. Just wondering if the ECHO 1 are particular about tight bores, or if I could use my standard Systema tight bore.

10) Any thing special about buckings? I've tired most of them, but just wanted to be sure the ECHO 1 was wierd about buckings (like my ICS).

I am looking at different products on Ebay Banned to get this ECHO 1 614 how I would like it. Seeing as how I got the AEG for free, I don't have an issue with dropping $100 - $200 into it, but I'd really like to stick with LPEG parts. If you know of any other good LPEG retailers with a lot of accessoreis, please let me know.

Right now, here are the parts I'm looking at:

'DBoy' M4 Metal Body Kit (NO Marker) - $50
(for when and if the plastic one breaks)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1385

M16 Fixed Stock (Short) - $30.00
(I like the look of this stock but don't want to buy new batteries)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1392

M4 M16 Extended Battery Crane Stock BLACK $45.00
(probably get this one if my batteries fit)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=66

Metal Chamber Set M4 M16 - $18.20
(only needed if the ECHO 1 hop up doesn't work with the Dboy body)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1120

Tactical Short Fore Grip - $18.00
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1636

TangoDown Battle Grip Rail Cover BK - $17.00
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1439

'Dboys' Foldable Rear Sight - $18.00
(don't like the H&K style rear site)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1027

HK416 style front sight - $15.00
(don't like the ECHO 1 flip up on the front)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1675

OT0209 Knight`s type Flash Hider - $15.00
(just need a new flash hider to replace the orange one)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1167

G27 motor grip (OT 0802 Black) - $17.00
(like the few of G27 Grips)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1102

ECHO 1 Low Resistance Wire for Version 2 (Back) - $20.00
(easier than doing a custom wiring harness)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=4174

AMP Tactical Bungee Sling for M4 (BK) - $20.00
(everything I need in one cheap kit)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2524

NC Star Replica Aimpoint Red Dot w/ Mount - $25.00
(cheap and works)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...roducts_id=806

Thanks for any input. Like I said, this is my first LPEG and it's just going to be loaner / last ditch back up. I've got about 5 years of experience and knowlege with my TM, ICS, and CA AEG's though, so I'm just looking for specific info about the ECHO 1 614.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:54 PM
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JG and Echo1 are the same, and yes the gun has a 2 pice hop up. The gun should be 90%+ compatable with TM parts.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:00 PM
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You may have to nerf it down a little. From what I have seen while chronoeing those AEGs is that they are shooting at 410 + out of the box!
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:09 PM
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I'll have to pull out the chrono and check it out. If it's around 410 FPS, I'll probably leave it alone. Mainly been running with Excel Bios lately and their smaller bb diameter gives me a lower FPS so hopefully it'll be good to go.

Still need info on the stock (what batteries fit) and the body though. If you know please post.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:53 PM
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Last weekend at OPBP, I won one of the ECHO 1 614's, the ECHO 1 version of the H&K 416 M4. I think I'm going to keep it as a loaner AEG and my last ditch back up. However, there are a few issues I want to take care of. I've never owned one of these new cheap AEG's and just have a few questions. Keep in mind that due to the cheap nature of this AEG, I don't want to use any high end parts. I just want to stick with LPEG parts (ECHO 1, JG, Dboy, etc.)

1) I just wanted confirmation that ECHO 1 and JG AEG's are the same exact AEG, just rebranded. I've heard the ECHO 1's are just JG that have been inspected, tested, and supposedly upgraded with some better parts. Just looking for the real story. From what I can tell specifically with the 416/614 series of guns the Echo's and JG's (mine was made by "Golden Eagle") are the same, however the Echo's are said to have metal bushings whereas the 416 variaty of JG's still have plastic

2) What kind of hop up is in the ECHO 1? I haven't cracked it open yet to look, but I heard its got a 2 peice hop up like on the TM M4's.
2 piece just like the TM, honestly I recommend a high end bucking, the unit really isn't that bad

3) Will the ECHO 1 614 take standard TM internal parts, like gears, mechboxes, motors, pistons, cylinders etc.?
Yes it will, however some echo's use proprietary bushings

4) What about metal bodies? I saw that Ebay Banned had Dboy metal M4 bodies for like $50. Will the Dboy body fit the ECHO 1 with no modification. Right now, I plan on sticking with the stock plastic body, but I'd just like to know if the Dboy body would fit, so I have a replacement, when the ECHO 1 body breaks.
I'm looking for a solution to this myself, the 416 bodies have a taller rain on the upper receiver than the standard AR. The 416 rail system has a taller rail, and a regular AR body will not fit correctly. Guarder made a 416 specific body, but its been out of stock at Redwolf for a while.

5) Does the Dboy body take standard System / Classic Army style one peice hop up units?Just fine

6) Will the Dboy Crane stock work on the ECHO 1 if I rewire it to the back?Had a Dboy crane stock on my 416 when I bought it (used), it fits fine although the stock has true LMT dimensions

7) What battery does the Dboy Crane stock take. It would be nice if it takes my Prime / CA style Crane stock batteries (10.8v 3300 mah and 9.6v 3800 mah batteries).The dboy needs the G&P style battery, however I hear that the A&K stock will take a sub C cell battery.

8) There is just a slight bit of RIS wobble. Short of getting a SWAN rail or a RAS Fix, is there any way to eliminate the RIS wobble.
According to Arnies, it dosen't seem like there is much of a fix. I placed my 511 so it sits just slightly on the rail system and the wobble is amost non existant.

9) I'm not going to touch the internals until I have to, but I would like a tight bore. Just wondering if the ECHO 1 are particular about tight bores, or if I could use my standard Systema tight bore.
I've had a CA standard barrel in mine as well as a DB custom. I have had no problems with either reguarding installation.

10) Any thing special about buckings? I've tired most of them, but just wanted to be sure the ECHO 1 was wierd about buckings (like my ICS).
CA, Systema, and Promethius all worked in the Echo unit just fine

I am looking at different products on Ebay Banned to get this ECHO 1 614 how I would like it. Seeing as how I got the AEG for free, I don't have an issue with dropping $100 - $200 into it, but I'd really like to stick with LPEG parts. If you know of any other good LPEG retailers with a lot of accessoreis, please let me know.

Right now, here are the parts I'm looking at:

'DBoy' M4 Metal Body Kit (NO Marker) - $50
(for when and if the plastic one breaks)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1385
As noted above the standard AR body is not compatible with the 416 rail.

M16 Fixed Stock (Short) - $30.00
(I like the look of this stock but don't want to buy new batteries)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1392
Probably your best option reguarding the crane stock.

M4 M16 Extended Battery Crane Stock BLACK $45.00
(probably get this one if my batteries fit)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=66
It says that it fits both 9.6 and 10.8, however the back comes off very similar to the Dboys, it looks a little odd.

Metal Chamber Set M4 M16 - $18.20
(only needed if the ECHO 1 hop up doesn't work with the Dboy body)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1120

Tactical Short Fore Grip - $18.00
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1636

TangoDown Battle Grip Rail Cover BK - $17.00
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1439

'Dboys' Foldable Rear Sight - $18.00
(don't like the H&K style rear site)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1027

HK416 style front sight - $15.00
(don't like the ECHO 1 flip up on the front)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1675

OT0209 Knight`s type Flash Hider - $15.00
(just need a new flash hider to replace the orange one)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1167

G27 motor grip (OT 0802 Black) - $17.00
(like the few of G27 Grips)
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1102

ECHO 1 Low Resistance Wire for Version 2 (Back) - $20.00
(easier than doing a custom wiring harness)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=4174

AMP Tactical Bungee Sling for M4 (BK) - $20.00
(everything I need in one cheap kit)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2524

NC Star Replica Aimpoint Red Dot w/ Mount - $25.00
(cheap and works)
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...roducts_id=806

Thanks for any input. Like I said, this is my first LPEG and it's just going to be loaner / last ditch back up. I've got about 5 years of experience and knowlege with my TM, ICS, and CA AEG's though, so I'm just looking for specific info about the ECHO 1 614.
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I personally do not like this gun. A member of my team has this gun and he has went to .28's and the BB's are still rising a substantial amount and he has messed with his hop up countless times. Also bettery wise depends if you get the crane stock or the peq box, i prefer the crane hope this helped.
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On topic here.. I'm just going to tack this on to nextmayors post, would an SRC metal body fit the 614? I'm considering scrapping one to fit on to my Echo, but I'd like to know if it would fit.
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i have one of these guns and i gotta say for the money i couldnt do much better i dont like the battery box, and the mags stick BUT for a game that laster 9 hours the battery and wepaon had the poop kicked out of it and is still running 2 weeks later on a factory battery and .20 bbs
Never once yet after almost 5 thousand bbs through it has it once been inacruate and it is a stock un upgraded gun i love it ...and the rof is excelent in it
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Ended up getting the Stubby Fixed Stock, replic TD Rail Covers, replica TD Stubby Fore Grip, Dboy PEQ 2, H&K Style Front Rail Sight, Rear Wiring Harness, Fixed Stock 1 Point Sling Mount, NC Star Aimpoint, Bungie Sling.

Got both the PEQ and the Stubby stock because I THINK they both take the PEQ style battery that I have. Additionally, I'll still be able to use the AEG until I get to rewire it. Everything else is eye candy.

Holding off on the body for now due to the height issue and that this is a back up AEG and nothing is broken on it right now.

Will be breaking out the chrono for some tests on Friday.
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Next Mayor , When you get it done would you post a picture please . I have the AGM 416 and was wondering what it would look like with the short stock . Thanks !
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You may have to nerf it down a little. From what I have seen while chronoeing those AEGs is that they are shooting at 410 + out of the box!
Chrono'd the E1 614 at lunch today. With Excel .20g Regular BB's I was getting an average FPS or 373 FPS. With Excel .25g Bio BB's I was getting 326 FPS. No need for down grading here. I'm happy with 373 FPS. All I need to do now is wait for the parts (should be here on Wed.) and rewire the box to the back.

MIGHT have to get a new battery, but will wait to see if any that I have work. If not, will be getting a 8.4v 3300 mah and calling it a day.

Complete review / comparison coming when done.
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