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(Lack of) Information Overload

I've created this thread to voice my opinion about the "Current" Airsoft Ohio.
As I'm writing this, please note that i am in no way trying to intentionally lash out on the Airsoft Ohio Staff.

Recently there has been a rash of new members asking for advice on topics without any attempt of searching. New guns, low priced guns, equipment... "What should i get" Ect ect.

I understand that Airsoft Ohio is paid for by someone else and that "beggars cant be choosers". However, can something be done about it?

Is there any way that a new user can be forced to use the search option? I've been members of other forums where thread creation is not allowed until you've reached a posting requirement. I've also seen that for "X" amount of posts you are prompted with a search box instructing you to search topics prior to creating a thread. Perhaps modifying the original post with instructions for a user to search for their information and then locking the thread?

I understand being friendly and curteous to our newer members and welcoming them warmly...but what if it starts to drive away other members? I have found myself thinking lately..."i wonder if theres a way to get myself completely blocked so even if i get the urge to look that i will not be able to"

If i am the only one thinking this way i apologize and will not bring it up again.

If there is any way that i can help please do not hesitate to ask.

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Old 11-13-2008, 08:24 PM
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I completley agree Mavrick, the horde of new, ill informed, members recentley flooding the site is most likely due to the availibility of cheaper and cheaper guns. They pick up a 100 dollar Echo and hit the internet looking for airsoft sites. Sadly, we can't do anything about that, but I agree that this forum could take steps to educate these new members. As much as thier posts are infuriatingly dumb, there are many of examples of "noobs" who have been educated and turned into contributing members of the fourms. Now I understand that it takes alot of work as it is to maintain this forum, and I respect that, but I believe if the staff implents a progarm requiring post requirements like Mavrick suggested, they would save themselves alot of work down the road. Just my thoughts.
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You are correct sir! The biggest concern isn't the questions but the worthless or incorrect information that is being offered as answers. In the "Ask a veteran" thread, there is a large number of answers being offered from players registered in October. Now this doesn't indicated your time in the field, but when you answer without explanation or any real evidence of hands on experience, you shouldn't answer in this thread.

Another issue is the lack of explantion and lazyness when asking a question. "My gun doesn't work, what's wrong with it" is not a good way to aska question. Members need to take the time to write and read.

I have taken a new approach to this:

If you are lazy in asking for information, I mean asking everyone else to do resaerch for you or asking a question that has been answered thousands of times on this website, your thread will be deleted.

If your thread is posted in the wrong place, it will be deleted.

If you post anything obviously worthless, it will be deleted.

Who will decide what should be deleted, I will and any other mod who agrees.

If you find yourself wondering why you can find your thread and you post it again, then your account will be banned. I say clean up your act and quit using AO as a quasi chatroom.
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I have and will always be a proponent of the rule that new people should only be able to post threads in the Ask a Vet section, and people who have been here a number of years / have a certain amount of posts should be able to answer them. Since it's inception newer folks have been going in there and answering questions with such gems as "idk the answer to ur question and i dont have an ICS M4 but i have an ICS mp5 and they're made by the same company so they should be able to exchange parts"

Or something like that. I would ballpark the requirements for posting to be at least a few years of membership at AO, and 500+ posts, if not more on both of those. It is the Ask A Veteran section, after all. If Vet's aren't answering the questions then there is no difference between it and the General Discussion section
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:22 PM
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and 500+ posts, if not more on both of those. It is the Ask A Veteran section, after all. If Vet's aren't answering the questions then there is no difference between it and the General Discussion section
That part has already been heavily debated and you know it. It's completely useless to think that post count accounts for any form of knowledge. I have recently noticed that many of the newer members from late spring through early fall of this year have already racked up 250-300 posts. How do they do it? By posting uselss crap in the "Ask a veteran" section over and over and over again, then saying "welcome to AO" in the introduction section. I've been on AO for about two years now, with barely 500 posts and I don't think I have ever rendered that sort of "well they are kind of similiar" posts. I think the "Ask a veteran" section should be heavily moderated, more so then it is. If that is a task too great for the current team, then appoint more moderators.

I also think the "forced" use of the search tool is also a needed improvement. But at the same time, people also cater to those who ask questions easily found by the search tool anyway. If you don't want it to happen, don't encourage it. Don't post. Let the post die. If those who post give mis-information or information that is utterly useless, delete it and let the thread go unanswered. The thread starter will eventually use the search tool when they tire of waiting. When I say information that is useless, I mean post by those who claim "Oh, Echo 1 is the greatest because its the first gun I own and have no experience with any others so therefore I have a reason to interject".
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:33 PM
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with no disrespect towards you guys, i honestly dont mind.
we are all here to help noobs out. i bet even mavrick and evil head were once noobs asking questions about what gun to get.
and what if their question isnt answered anywhere in the search they ran? i think its okay because they just want up to date info on a gun theyre interested in. i think posting "whats a good gun to get?" is always better than a noob coming on here and posting something stupid like "heyy what the ****s up guys? does airsofts gets you laids?" i think we should all help answer a noobs questions. if theyre taking the time to maturely enter our sport, we should take the time to educate them and answer their questions, even IF they havent looked it up before. and as for useless and dumb answers, that, is what i think the problem is. and yes, i admit, ihave taken part in usless funny posting, it is kind of fun. but thats OUR problem, the people answering the questions. but if we go into a thread thats asking a mature question thats bbeen asked before, i do think we should also answer in a mature way back. maybe they dont know how to use the search function yet. i was a noob at one point. last year, on my old account,at the beginning of summer, i was asking question after question in new threads, and most of you guys answered, and even though i dropped airsoft for awhile, i came back with a lot more knowledge because of you guys hepling.
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Hey, anyone in here no what the best kind of BB is. I need a good BB. Thanks!
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:42 PM
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Slaughter, "what's a good gun" threads have been frowned upon long before I came along. It's just back when I started here, you were banned for asking something obvious and stupid. Now you think we are being harsh now, how'd you like to go back to the way things use to be? There is a reason these threads are frowned upon. There is no real answer to the "What is a good gun thread". It has been deemed so.

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Hey, anyone in here no what the best kind of BB is. I need a good BB. Thanks!
Merely an attempt at humor, I apologize. I agree with you guys, but I really don't see how you expect to change something like this. Its gonna happen, my suggestion is tolerance. Most of the folks coming here are just kids. Ya know how kids can be they get excited about stuff, they don't realize how serious you guys are about this sport. I respect you guys for making this sport what it is, I really enjoy it, but kids come and go. As far as the cheap guns causing the flooding of this web site, and others like it.........I would say that is a good thing in my opinion.
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with no disrespect towards you guys, i honestly dont mind.
we are all here to help noobs out. i bet even mavrick and evil head were once noobs asking questions about what gun to get.
and what if their question isnt answered anywhere in the search they ran? i think its okay because they just want up to date info on a gun theyre interested in. i think posting "whats a good gun to get?" is always better than a noob coming on here and posting something stupid like "heyy what the ****s up guys? does airsofts gets you laids?" i think we should all help answer a noobs questions. if theyre taking the time to maturely enter our sport, we should take the time to educate them and answer their questions, even IF they havent looked it up before. and as for useless and dumb answers, that, is what i think the problem is. and yes, i admit, ihave taken part in usless funny posting, it is kind of fun. but thats OUR problem, the people answering the questions. but if we go into a thread thats asking a mature question thats bbeen asked before, i do think we should also answer in a mature way back. maybe they dont know how to use the search function yet. i was a noob at one point. last year, on my old account,at the beginning of summer, i was asking question after question in new threads, and most of you guys answered, and even though i dropped airsoft for awhile, i came back with a lot more knowledge because of you guys hepling.
In all considerations, you are still a "noob". And this sort of post shows it. Complete lack of willingness to correct punctuation and basic English syntax. This is a basic forum rule, and it is not hard to observe. If you can't spell without the aid of a tool, use a dictionary, run a web-browser spell check, or do what I do, cut and paste it into a Word Document and correct it there. It takes less than a few extra seconds to do. I don't think you have been around long enough to realize how old it gets to enter a forum such as this and see three or four threads a day all on the same subject, and each have individual separate answers in them.

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Merely an attempt at humor, I apologize. I agree with you guys, but I really don't see how you expect to change something like this. Its gonna happen, my suggestion is tolerance. Most of the folks coming here are just kids. Ya know how kids can be they get excited about stuff, they don't realize how serious you guys are about this sport. I respect you guys for making this sport what it is, I really enjoy it, but kids come and go. As far as the cheap guns causing the flooding of this web site, and others like it.........I would say that is a good thing in my opinion.
Talk to the guys forming ALF. And hang around alittle longer. You will see.

I want to make one more comment, in that I have been browsing these forums for many years before the creation of this account. I believe I have another one on here from years ago under a similar name that I just never used. I began attending Springfield games through Airsoft Events and just read these forums.

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In all considerations, you are still a "noob". And this sort of post shows it. Complete lack of willingness to correct punctuation and basic English syntax. This is a basic forum rule, and it is not hard to observe. If you can't spell without the aid of a tool, use a dictionary, run a web-browser spell check, or do what I do, cut and paste it into a Word Document and correct it there. It takes less than a few extra seconds to do. I don't think you have been around long enough to realize who old it gets to enter a forum such as this and see three or four threads a day all on the same subject, and each have individual separate answers in them.
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There is nothing wrong with my comment, and I will stand by it. I'm not being mean, its the truth. It is not at all hard to correct spelling and grammar. If I come off as being an ***, its not because I am, its just the way my writing style is. I am very blunt and to the point. I don't want to belittle any one, and if you feel that I have done so, ask, and I will explain. I don't like to dot my sentences with "lol" and "haha's", merely to lighten the mood of my post. Reason being because they are not words in the English language.

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It has been tolerated to the point of frustration. It isn't working. The flood of worthless information is overwhelming the valuable information. The amount of incorrect and misleading information is being passed along like a bad virus. It appears there is a lack of respect for veterans who still contribute. Can't tell you how many times Blade has mentioned something and he was just blown off.

We are not asking players to stop asking questions, but form your question in a way that it can best be answered. If you wrote a thorough paragraph explaining your question in detail, this issue would not exist. We have too many players begging for a hand out. Show us that you have done some work on the topic of which you have questions. Structure your questions in a coherent way.

Answer questions you have experience with. Don't answer if you "heard" something. If you are unsure about an answer, don't post. Unless you have information that will help the person asking, don't post.

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we are all here to help noobs out.
No we are not. I'm here for useful information about airsoft equipment, guns, and event. I also do not mind passing along whatever knowledge that i have learned from all the veterans as well as what i've taught myself.

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i bet even mavrick and evil head were once noobs asking questions about what gun to get.
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Had you done a search on me you'd see that not even once have i ever asked about what gun to get. I already had an AEG. My friends an i were researching the sport way before the echo 1's and the laziness. I've been around since 2004. Not as old as AO, not as long as other members, not as long as my account lists, but i've been on this site a long time. In fact our old "team" had a link in an old section of the site.

Dont assume anything.

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if theyre taking the time to maturely enter our sport, we should take the time to educate them and answer their questions, even IF they havent looked it up before.
. Asking alot of basic questions is something a toddler does(litteraly), not what a "mature player" does. It comes down with individuals disregard to think for themselves as well as laziness.[/quote]

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but if we go into a thread thats asking a mature question thats bbeen asked before, i do think we should also answer in a mature way back.
Once again, the poster is just looking to be spoon fed. Do you have multiple copies of the same DVD so you dont have to go searching for it? Its the same concept. Why waste space and time when it has already been asked? Take the time to find what you are looking for. This "Searching" is not a new concept. I KNOW everyone here has had to write a report and do their own research for sources.

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maybe they dont know how to use the search function yet.
Thats complete bull****. Internet Forums is not a new concept. They've been out for a very long time. These individuals who are not searching are the same individuals figuring out how to register for an account, changing their avatar, and finding the right thread and "post" button.

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i came back with a lot more knowledge because of you guys hepling.
I have absolutely no problem with helping someone who has already tried their best to help theirself.

I am not a mean person. If you've met me you'd know that. i'm a social and friendly guy. When i created this post i was in no way asking for anything unreasonable. Airsoft is supposed to be a mature sport. While i am not always a mature person 100% of the time, i do treat the sport and other players with respect(except for a few specfic people). Airsoft Ohio should be treated the same way.

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It has been tolerated to the point of frustration. It isn't working. The flood of worthless information is overwhelming the valuable information. The amount of incorrect and misleading information is being passed along like a bad virus. It appears there is a lack of respect for veterans who still contribute. Can't tell you how many times Blade has mentioned something and he was just blown off.

We are not asking players to stop asking questions, but form your question in a way that it can best be answered. If you wrote a thorough paragraph explaining your question in detail, this issue would not exist. We have too many players begging for a hand out. Show us that you have done some work on the topic of which you have questions. Structure your questions in a coherent way.

Answer questions you have experience with. Don't answer if you "heard" something. If you are unsure about an answer, don't post. Unless you have information that will help the person asking, don't post.

That's all we ask.

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There is nothing wrong with my comment, and I will stand by it. I'm not being mean, its the truth. It is not at all hard to correct spelling and grammar. If I come off as being an ***, its not because I am, its just the way my writing style is. I am very blunt and to the point. I don't want to belittle any one, and if you fell that I have done so, ask, and I will explain. I don't like to dot my sentences with "lol" and "haha's", merely to lighten the mood of my post. Reason being because they are not words in the English language.
Well clearly your an educated man, and I commend you for that but you spelled feel wrong, and I find that very funny! I hope someday we can play a game together and have a real conversation.
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Again, it is the discretion of the mod staff to filter pointless, off topic and worthless threads. It is nothing personal, but we do and will continue to remove the threads that clutter AO. It is not to be taken as a personal attack. It should be an indication that you should restructure you posted based on the recommendations mentioned. Act out and feel repressed and find your way put the door.

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Personally, I gave up. You really do not see me post useful or helpful things anymore... because I no longer care about these new *fruitcage*tards that pop-up every couple days or week. Vermin, really.
Kinda got tired answering the same *suitcase* over and over again.

I would like to give Blade credit for staying strong (seeing how long he's been around...) and trying to help.


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Well clearly your an educated man, and I commend you for that but you spelled feel wrong, and I find that very funny! I hope someday we can play a game together and have a real conversation.
You're just asking for it. Already got neg repped, thinking this thread is a joke, and double posting. Use the edit button noob.
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Well clearly your an educated man, and I commend you for that but you spelled feel wrong, and I find that very funny! I hope someday we can play a game together and have a real conversation.
Whoops, well everyone slips up from time to time! Good catch, that one made me chuckle.
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I thought A.O. was forming a section for a Knowledge Base. What ever happened to that?
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Personally, I gave up. You really do not see me post useful or helpful things anymore... because I no longer care about these new f***tards that pop-up every couple days or week. Vermin, really.
Kinda got tired answering the same s*** over and over again.

I would like to give Blade credit for staying strong (seeing how long he's been around...) and trying to help.



You're just asking for it. Already got neg repped, thinking this thread is a joke, and double posting. Use the edit button noob.
Well, I better quit having an opinion then. I wouldn't want my rep to be negative now would I. Its kinda ironic how you come in here cussing, and calling people vermin, but you have an issue with me. Have a goodnight princess.
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While I agree with alot of this, the time you have been around here says nothing about experience. I was on the WNYAL boards for just under 2 years before I came here. That does not mean that I am n00b to airsoft, or to forum etiquette. I simply wanted to play outside of my area. I don't think that I should be limited to my ability to help out because of this. Ideally, it should be monitered on a case by case basis, but this is near impossible, so the above ideas should work, but some kinks like this should be worked out before putting it into play.
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I fully support the help of noobs, but at the level that has been prescribed by Evil Head and Mavrick. I was one hell of a blind man walking his cat back in the day, but I took it upon myself to search these forums thoroughly as well as gather knowledge from players at events and larger games. After a short time I was up to speed and could hold my own at not only playing, but also repairing and upgrading AEGs.

As for hcso3716, I'm glad you have a sense of humor. But it seems you're just using it in the wrong place right now.
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
I fully support the help of noobs, but at the level that has been prescribed by Evil Head and Mavrick. I was one hell of a blind man walking his cat back in the day, but I took it upon myself to search these forums thoroughly as well as gather knowledge from players at events and larger games. After a short time I was up to speed and could hold my own at not only playing, but also repairing and upgrading AEGs.

As for hcso3716, I'm glad you have a sense of humor. But it seems you're just using it in the wrong place right now.
That may be but I feel Mr. Kong is a little out of line. I started out trying to stay on track, but I got a little side railed with some of the other comments.

My bad, apologies to all!
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