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Old 06-27-2008, 12:22 AM
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CA M15A4 Carbine.

I played around with one of these at airsoft smith the other day. I realized this is probably a better of weapon for me. I'm just curious what the proper set up *upgrades wise* would be for this gun. Of course I'm already getting the M120 spring, as well as the prommie tightbore barrel...with silencer. I'm curious if I should get a systema motor and a reinforced gearbox for the weapon.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:40 AM
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You can get a better hop up, A good hop up is one of the cheapest yet one of the most effective upgrades.

Personally I no experience with them but have heard good things about firefly buckings and element ***s. I recently ordered an element *** just to see what all the rage was about.

http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.p...oducts_id=1080

not bad for less than $6.00 shipped.

A new motor will improve trigger response and ROF, I would make sure your run a 9.6V battery as they are alot better than 8.4V in my opinion especially on an m120.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:52 AM
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Why upgrade it right away? Especially with a longer barrel and silencer?


Run with it normal length and see if you need it.
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You have a good point on the barrel. I think I'll go ahead and grab it with a M120 spring put in the rifle and try it out in springfield.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:10 AM
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I have the same rifle Siegfried. I also run an m120 spring and TB barrel. I use a 9.6v nun chuck style battery. I've had this setup for over a year and played just about every weekend and never had any problems as of yet. I would also change the hop up bucking as Warlock suggested. I have no experience with the firefly buckings but I have also heard nothing but good things about them. As far as your gearbox and motor, the 9.6v battery seems to put my ROF back up to where it should be and there isn't enough lag in response time to worry about changing the motor right away if at all. The gearbox is already supposed to be reinforced so you shouldn't have to worry about it. One other thing you may want to do is change the crappy CA piston while you have the GB open. Mine hasn't let me down yet, but the one in my m249 went out with under 2000 rounds put through it. It's my understanding CA pistons are not all that good. But, there again, mine still has the yellow CA piston in it and hasn't let me down yet.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:59 AM
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As a recomendation i would get a different gearbox, i just sold my carbine(i had it for about 3yrs) but i had a 110 spring, systema piston, guarder piston and cylinder head, reinforced cylinder and guarder air nozzle, i went thru three CA "reinforced" gearboxes, the entire gearbox would crack, starting at the front end and working its way all the way around the gearbox, the last CA "reinforced" gearbox i had the front of the gearbox crack almost completely off, it was hanging on by mere millmeters of metal. I bought a Systema reinforced gear box but i could never get the gun to work correctly with this, the inside seemed much tighter than the CA and squeezed the trgger/switch so that they would not function properly.

So in closing i recomend a different gear box (do some research and i'm sure you'll find a good one). As for a motor, they have there ups, i'm extremly impressed by the Systema magnums but if you go that route you need to upgrade more of your internals like a new piston, i never had a problem with my gears getting chewed up so that would be up to you if you wanted to replace those. Just remember that for every upgrade you put in a gun the more stress you put on the remaining stock parts and the more routine maintence that you have to perform to keep it up and running.
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:20 AM
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Dont do the FF bucking. They are nice, but they are leaky. The Element/Big Out/Deepfire h hop will do just as much good with as the bucking as without it.

Just make sure they replace the pistonheads o ring when they work on it. I would be in favor of staying away from CA, as you have seen the masterful work that they are so well known for already. Go with a King arms, G&P, or KWA M4 if you are going to get one. Yes, it sucks that you cant buy it locally, but if they are going to continue to stock inconsistent, inaccurate, overpriced Classic Army replicas, they dont deserve your business.
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I would have to agree if you are really set on an m-series then get a kwa. It is one of the best stock gearboxes you can buy. Comes with a 6.05 tightbore and an m120. Which will be cheaper buy the time you get them installed on a CA.
I would reccomend getting a RIS KWA version as I can almost 100% guess that you will eventually want one and its cheaper to just get it ahead of time. Gearbox failure is normally due to a piston or wiring both of which the KWA is well above all the other stock guns. The only thing you can really improve on in a KWA is a better motor and a better hop-up.

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2948 Ive been eyeing this one for months. I bet thier s-system is nice as well.
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Dont do the FF bucking. They are nice, but they are leaky. The Element/Big Out/Deepfire h hop will do just as much good with as the bucking as without it.

Just make sure they replace the pistonheads o ring when they work on it. I would be in favor of staying away from CA, as you have seen the masterful work that they are so well known for already. Go with a King arms, G&P, or KWA M4 if you are going to get one. Yes, it sucks that you cant buy it locally, but if they are going to continue to stock inconsistent, inaccurate, overpriced Classic Army replicas, they dont deserve your business.
I'd like to see your proof in that.

I've been trying to keep silent for a while about it, however the fact of the matter is all AEG's along the same lines as price by CA are going to be the same. Sure, each one has something special about it, KWA is spiffy for the fact of the LiPo, and I've heard rather good things about it. G&P... don't even get me started on the problems G&P has. King Arms hasn't even been on the market for 6 months, so there is no evidence there.

CA's however, whether you like it or not are the baseline to judge all other guns by now. They're well priced, hold their resale value, well built and for a stock performing gun, fine.

If you want to get very technical, you're prized echo ones are no different. Let alone the ****ty external build they have. Hold a CA then an Echo 1, and see which one you can smack into a wall. It's the same jump in quality as a CA to Systema.

So please do AO a favor, name facts only, not personal biased bashing. If you don't like CA's, say so and give FACTS why, not a blanket statement that, for the most part is terribly untrue.
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I have an upgraded CA M15A4 ive upgraded almost all the internals. ive cracked a gearbox blown up a couple of pistons here and there, the normal. siegfried, my suggestion if you upgrade anything upgrade everything. from my experiences and sopme of my teammates with this gun is if you upgrade only one thing, then the stock parts begin to fade and eventually break also. i run a 9.6 4200 mah big battery on the stock (battery bag), the hop up can be iffy sometimes. all in all i love this gun, just not the money that went into it. but it was worth it id say
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I have a Ca M15a4 carbine and all I have upgraded in it is an M120 spring and systema gears. I use a 10.8V battery on it and it shoots like a beast. I hope to have the motor upgraded soon as well as a new barrel.



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Old 06-28-2008, 02:16 AM
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I have reasons for my bias, I dont just blindly poke at CA because I dont like them.

KWA- Wonderfully built gearbox. The gears, motor, and wiring are all made to stand up to the strains of high voltage batteries. The front of the mechbox is beefed up more than usual, making it less prone to cracking. The hop up and barrel are shoddy. The externals are ok.

G&P- All apologies. If you are a newbie, these probably arent for you. If you want to dump a bit of money into them or know what to do to the stock parts to make the function, it will be a good gun. Stock, not quite as reliable as CA. But the externals are beautiful.

KA- The two examples Ive seen have been awesome, and Ive heard nothing but good stuff from the internets. They have a great reinforced 7mm bearing box, nice gears that can take high loads comperable to promies, and really, really nice externals. Their motor is geared for torque, so the ROF is not extremely impressive right out of the box. I have not seen a problem with one of these yet, and I was going to make it my new primary (poor G3) until I got a good deal on a TM M14.

CA- Just seen too many problems. Some of em run forever, others of the would never, ever work. A host of problems, bad wiring, blown pistons, shoddy hop, "reinforced" shells... And wierd wierd wierd compatability problems. But when they work, they normally last quite a while.

I think I covered most of the stuff, but please correct me if Im wrong. I just would like to let him know that there are better choices out there. Although I will always love my little marui...
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:04 PM
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HK,
That's all we were asking for was a well rounded answer rather than just blind bashing.

I will agree, G&P guns externally are awesome; however, I'm not a fan of the internals. For example a friend of mine just got the G&P XM177. Out of the box he had to replace the hop up bucking, hop up unit and gears. Its runs well now after sinking some cash into it.

King Arms guns I'm not a fan of. I've read a couple bad reviews of the KA FAL's and like FOX said their M4/16 series are VERY new. Hopefully they preform better then the FAL's. Also I've had MAJOR problems with KA upgrade parts. Probably about 50% of the parts I've used have failed (bushings breaking in half!! Spring guides snapping) I really like KA accessories like silencers, grips, sights etc, but their upgrade parts are lacking, in my opinion.

I just wish Marui would get back in game...
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Just play with your gun, depending on if you get lucky, the stock internals might last forever or you might break something quickly. If youve noticed, many people have differing opinions, because everyone has a different experience because not one single airsoft gun is made exactly the same as the one before it or after it on the production line.

Just play with it first, dont you void the small little warrenty you get if you start upgrading it right when you get the gun? This means that if your gun is a lemon, your stuck with it.
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Their new M4 series is pretty sweet. They also us closed bushings as opposed to the open bushings that brok in the old 8mms. I have two of those boxes, and IMO they are the strongest, reasonably inexpensive box around. And I have cracked 3 of their bushings. Luckily for me, they only crack when I try to seat them. Maybe thats just me sucking. They now have the 7mm closed bushings like systema. Their FALs were a long time ago, this stuff is nice.

And TM does need to get back into the game. If only they would come out with a full metal series....
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And TM does need to get back into the game. If only they would come out with a full metal series....
It won't happen, some sort of Japan regulation/law issue.
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The only things I would upgrade seeing as I have the same gun. The only things I did to it was a new hop up rubber, area 1000 piston and head, tight bore barrel, and a m120 spring. I also recommend getting a 9.6 volt battery. it shoots a little over 400 fps constant.
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