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Airsoft Stupidity 101: Usage of Common Sense

Hello Everyone,

Many of you know me as one of the owners of the popular Ohio airsoft retailer, Airsoft Arms. Since I have many years of customer service experience and a fundamental background of airsoft safety, I wanted to relay several stories about incidents I personally witness with store customers where the complete lack of common sense could have resulted in an incredibly unsafe situation which may have resulted in injury, arrest, or even death.

Several years ago, I was at our shop and happened to walk past the front window and noticed several teenage guys who were local store regulars standing out in front of the store in plain view. They were all dressed up in their camo and tac gear, with their airsoft guns slung, or holding their guns in different poses, etc. Being in plain view, people could plainly see them as they drove by, which might cause a sense of panic, etc. Just as I went outside, a police car pulled in the parking lot and the officer got out and drew his weapon, drawing his gun down on the unsuspecting teens. The teens cooperated and I walked outside and gave them a drilling which equaled the officer's lecture. Luckily for them, he let them go, didn't confiscate any of their guns, and the situation ended.

Fast forward to about a month ago. Another teen drives up and parks in front of our store. As he gets out of his car, I immediately notice he is dressed in FULL tactical gear. Full tac vest with all of his mags ready, drop leg holster with his pistol at the ready, and worst of all, his MP5 was also slung and ready, and I can only assume that he drove to the store that way!

Now I don't know what the hell was going through his mind, but there is no doubt in my mind that common sense was completely absent. I wanted to use this as an example of what WILL DEFINITELY get you killed. If an officer happened to pull this kid over, he would have probably been immediately shot and killed, unless by some miracle the police officer could quickly assess the situation and figure out that the guns were not real. When I think of this kind of thing, it makes me sick that there are people involved in this sport that have such an incredible lack of intelligence and common sense.

Another case and point, in the past few days I had another group of guys come into the store with their airsoft pistols in their drop-leg holsters. They were yet another group of regulars and people I've known for several years who have been active participants of Airsoft Ohio for a long time, and they DEFINITELY SHOULD KNOW BETTER!! I hope they at least had the common sense NOT to drive down the road with their pistols in their holsters. Again, something like that could definitely get them killed. I immediately scolded them for their lack of common sense and public disregard of safety. They know who they are, and I hope they see this as an important lesson to adjust their attitudes about the airsoft sport.

I'm not sure if people that do this have some kind of mental ideal that "I'm cool if I dress up in my tac gear and people see me". Maybe there is some kind of sense to feel important or intimidating, but this behavior can not be tolerated in any sense of the word. Especially since such behavior will likely get you shot or killed! To ANYONE who reads this and has done this in the past and lived through it, NEVER DO IT AGAIN!!! It's idiotic, stupid, and shows a complete lack of intelligence, responsibility and common sense. If you have a brain, please use it to keep the rest of your body from getting into trouble.

I want airsoft to be a fun sport for everyone, and such stupidity will only serve to get people into trouble, hurt or worse, and will also serve to further decrease public opinion about the sport. The last thing anyone wants is for airsoft to be banned, so please behave responsibly and treat your airsoft guns EXACTLY like you would a real firearm.

Airsoft Rules to live by:

1) Always treat your airsoft gun exactly as you would a real firearm.
2) ALWAYS transport your airsoft gun in a pistol or rifle case, and be sure it is locked away in your trunk and not in a location where it could be readily accessible.
3) Never carry your airsoft gun in plain view or brandish your airsoft gun in public!
4) Never show your gun to anyone while in any public place!
5) The only time your airsoft gun should be out of it’s case when you are in your home and are in a secure environment, at a game, or at an airsoft shop having it looked at, etc.
6) Never take your airsoft guns into a school or other public place.

Please feel free to add to this list of rules as you see fit.

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Old 05-08-2007, 01:05 PM
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:10 PM
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The best thread in months!!!
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you forgot some

6. store your airsoft guns in a safe place where children cannot get their hands to them.

7. never bring your airsoft guns into Airsoft Arms loaded, lest you end up in the Idiot box

8. Just please stop being idiots with airsoft guns ok?
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I am not sure why someone would do any of thoes things but amen for laying down the law.
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you would not believe how many person do stupid things for no reasons
Kind of like after every game you say to yourself "I dont think i'll ever see anything any more stupid than that". And yet you find yourself saying that after every game?

Makes me wish that the gov't would just let natural selection take its course...


but i've done my fair share of idiotic crap...
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9)Never keep a magazine in your gun at any time, even if you know it is not loaded.

10)always disconnect your battery when you are done using your weapon.
11)always have orange tip on when transporting your weapon.

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All the reason posted above point out exactly why i believe:

1. It should be law that you need to be atleast 18 to own and airsoft gun, enough of this my parents bought it for me crap.

2. you should have to register the airsoft gun with some federal or local entity that needs to be formed, and they should be treated as real firearms with most laws
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All the reason posted above point out exactly why i believe:

1. It should be law that you need to be atleast 18 to own and airsoft gun, enough of this my parents bought it for me crap.

2. you should have to register the airsoft gun with some federal or local entity that needs to be formed, and they should be treated as real firearms with most laws
I understand your concern about age restriction, but the less government involvement the better. Since these players endanger our sport by doing things that involve law enforcemant, I say we "out" them. A probation or banning form AO and AO events. Their actions warrant punishment considering that they jeopardize our right to own and use airsoft guns. If they are dumb enough to do the things they're doing, then I don't want them shooting at me at events. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but something needs to be done before more "incidents" happen. I say the Airsoft community should police itself, not the government.
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I agree with the registering, but not the 18 and older law. Airsoft has a lot of stupid people who refuse to listen to the many warnings out their, but a lot of the younger airsofters I know exercise proper airsoft and gun safety. Maybe have a class you must complete in order to own an airsoft permit or something.
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The only problem with any gun law is that once one is made than that shows the anti-gun protesters that they can get any law through. Once you stop under 18's from using them soon you will have to have a waiting period and then who knows what.

Other idea's
-Never leave your gun unattended especially with the safety off and the gun loaded. (Somebody I know did this and thier gun fell over and shot me when the trigger on the inside broke and the gun was cocked)

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Remember the phrase " one bad apple ruins it for all"? This subject has been recently witnessed here in the cleveland area. A 16 year old held up a kid in front of a school with a springer.He was trying to steal his bike. It was on every news channel. Groups are now going to try and make it a law that if you carry a airsoft gun, your going to jail no matter what. I think its a good idea, who carries a airsoft pistol around expect on the field? THE BAD APPLES!!!
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AT the local store, when people show up to the store doing stupid crap like that, they get the following possible responses:
  • guns confiscated until their parents are called to come pick it up
  • royally griped out by both of the store owners and most of the patrons in the store.
  • The threat of being physically removed from the store and not allowed back inside... ever.
  • Gun is held in the store until the owner buys or brings a case to take the gun home

The store owner's wife getting up in their face and screaming at them seems to work very well, most of the store patrons treat her better then their mothers...
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I understand your concern about age restriction, but the less government involvement the better. Since these players endanger our sport by doing things that involve law enforcemant, I say we "out" them. A probation or banning form AO and AO events. Their actions warrant punishment considering that they jeopardize our right to own and use airsoft guns. If they are dumb enough to do the things they're doing, then I don't want them shooting at me at events. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but something needs to be done before more "incidents" happen. I say the Airsoft community should police itself, not the government.


I totally agree with you here, but what do we do about people that are not part of the AirsoftOhio community? just roll over and take it. statistically the person that goes and get airsoft ruined for us would be a non-AO member.

remember all it takes is one kid to shoot their eye and get their parents involved and it all goes to hell from there.

btw I fully support the blacklist aswell. hopefully Ohio retailers would full the list and not sell to people on a list such as that.
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I used to play with a psycho (I had no Idea he was that way)

Not once but twice did he put a loaded gun to my eye (pointblank)
when I had no goggles on and we where done for the day playing airsoft.
And threatened to "Pop" my eyes out.

His brother made bomb threats at our school

He started a list to commit suicide

Every time someone was mean to him he would carve
one letter of "Goodbye" in his leg

When he was finished he said he was going to kill everyone
in our school with real guns then himself.

He brought his airsoft guns to school once and on other occasions
pocket knifes. He pointed his guns a by standards at random.

I want his name on Evil Heads list so he cant get any more airsoft guns.

Post on this thread if you want me to give up his real name.
(no he is not an AO member but still)
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AT the local store, when people show up to the store doing stupid crap like that, they get the following possible responses:[list][*] guns confiscated until their parents are called to come pick it up
Well, that's fine when they are under 18, but the group that was in most recently were 18+, or at least the one I know well is, and he definitely knows better. He's a long time poster on AO and AirsoftEvents and should definitely know that what he was doing was completely irresponsible! I was outraged and told them to put their guns back in their vehicles and never to bring guns into the store like that again. I don't care if they think I'm an a$$hole or not for calling them out, I'll gladly make them the "Official AO Idiot Team!" for not using their brains. The "I'm cool 'cause I'm wearin' tac gear" thinking doesn't fly, and I think more people should be less apt to put up with it and be responsible about their guns, and that is why I started this thread.

It's being a complete idiot like that that's going to get them shot if they're in the wrong place at the wrong time. I mean Jesus, if they got pulled over, they would DEFINITELY be killed by police. There is no doubt in my mind. If I was a cop and I walked up as saw them dressed like that, I'd I'd probably shoot first and ask questions later, or at least lay down supressive fire while I went for cover. I wouldn't know what is going on in that car, and neither would any other police officer.

And yes, it's unfortunate that common sense isn't more common. Too often does the desire to look cool or act cool in front of your friends win over to reason. I guess that's how kids get into drugs too. Anyway, please continue the discussion.

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IWhen he was finished he said he was going to kill everyone in our school with real guns then himself.
Ummm, did you call the police?????!?!?!?!?!???? I mean come on. Georgia Tech anyone?? Columbine??

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This was before Georgia Tech.
Yes he was reported and is now out of
school until he takes ALOT of therapy
and is deemed safe to be put back into school

So do you want his name or not?
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God what morons. I think that it may not be a bad idea to make it a rule that to purchase an airsoft gun, you have to show up with a case to take it home in.

We made it a rule in our group that you had to show up with your weapon in a case if you wanted to play.
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My friend, not anymore, brought his springer pistol to school..what a dumb @$$. Took it out in class, teacher wasn't there, then shot a few kids around him. Of course a springer pistol from a few feet away doesn't hurt that much but you know you've been hit. He was expelled! Along with drinking alcohol in class consealed in a water bottle. School almost banned water bottles! How stupid!

Some of this non-sense is from movies. People want to look like Jack Bouer and look "cool." where it ends up getting them shot. If I remember right, a few years back a kid in europe was killed from the cops shooting him because he had a airsoft pistol with the tip painted over. I don't see a problem with the tip not orange as long as its in a airsoft event, but transporting it or anything else, orange is the way to go. Better safe then sorry they say.
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But with the whole purchasing airsoft guns with a case.
1. Why don't they sell cases with the gun
2. When you buying a a retail store some airsoft guns already come in a box
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I totally agree with you here, but what do we do about people that are not part of the AirsoftOhio community? just roll over and take it. statistically the person that goes and get airsoft ruined for us would be a non-AO member.

remember all it takes is one kid to shoot their eye and get their parents involved and it all goes to hell from there.
Sidd,
It's hard enough to get anyone with the government to do anything let alone police the "toy gun industry". Policy takes years to impliment on a national level. I think as a community, AO, we can set an example for other airsoft communities, although I'm sure they are already on the same page when dealing with idiots. We need to make sure that we keep these "idiots" away from us. We can't do anything about when they get shot in a back alley, that's a lesson they have to learn on their own. We can though, keep them from putting our retailers and fields on the 5 o'clock news. If we make this a desirable place then they will follow example. Fear of being banned might keep a few in line, but as Miyagi said, there is always going to be a bad apple.

One the biggest problems with some of these kids is that their parents are not invloved. They just buy them what they want and just go away. Half of the parents don't even have a clue as to what they are buying their kids, let alone what they are doing with these guns. Just search you tube, you know what I mean.

Or if you are willing, you and I and a couple of other people can invite these bone heads to a game that they may never come back from... nudge nudge wink wink!
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Windex. You said that they almost banned water bottles in your school. Well they did in ours. At Kenston Local Schools you can be suspended for 1 day if you have a resealable water bottle (ex. Sports bottle). three girls this year mixed gin with lemonade and drank it in full view of all the principals in the cafeteria. We can't have and airsoft club at our school for the same Idea. Some kid brought an airsoft gun to school and shot a kid (he was suspened for 10 days). Guess how happy the principal in charge of clubs was when I came to his office asking to form an Airsoft club. What really sucks though is that there's a paintball club. WE lost out because of one idiot.
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