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insane live fire russian fsb drill

Some insane confidence drill that feels like making you **** your pants

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/03/16...fidence-drill/
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There f****** NUTZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You called?

Seriously though, I can't even imagine the level of trust that exists between these FSB guys and each of their skills. It takes a crazy kind of bond to allow someone to not only shoot at you but literally shoot you in a live fire drill.

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Old 03-16-2014, 11:46 PM
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You called?

Seriously though, I can't even imagine the level of trust that exists between these FSB guys and each of their skills. It takes a crazy kind of bond to allow someone to not only shoot at you but literally shoot you in a live fire drill.
Indeed I can see this training as balls crazy but probly affective but I would never.
Then I remembered this is the country that has there sf has flaming bricks broken over there abs.

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Old 03-17-2014, 12:02 PM
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Well that's pretty much contrary to every firearm safety rule that's ever been taught in places with common sense. Incredibly stupid.
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Well that's pretty much contrary to every firearm safety rule that's ever been taught in places with common sense. Incredibly stupid.
Yeah, but you could also say that combat is contrary to every firearm safety rule that's ever been taught. If their objective is to prepare for combat, I can see this being effective.
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some of our SOF guys do similar stuff, but keep in mind, you don't get to do stuff like this until you are one of the most experienced guys in the group.
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Yeah, but you could also say that combat is contrary to every firearm safety rule that's ever been taught. If their objective is to prepare for combat, I can see this being effective.
I disagree.

I can see no valid logic in the "get shot 3 times COM while standing still in the open before drawing your weapon and returning fire from a static exposed position" drill as a combat preparation exercise.

The only somewhat valid reasoning for the drill is to test their response and accuracy under duress, and there are much better and safer ways to induce this through training without taking life-threatening risks and developing bad training scars.

This, like the sledgehammer-to-the-abs BS is a common thread in Russian military culture that emphasizes the "showiness" over the substance. They're more concerned with how badass they can appear to the world rather than the real world effectiveness of the exercise.
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The Russian military seems to be a lot like hair-metal. They are good but a lot of the things they do are completely for show. This is, of course, based off of my observations off of their training drills that involve tomahawk-throwing-while-doing-a-flip and the things stated above.

Or maybe they are just that awesome...
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I disagree.

I can see no valid logic in the "get shot 3 times COM while standing still in the open before drawing your weapon and returning fire from a static exposed position" drill as a combat preparation exercise.

The only somewhat valid reasoning for the drill is to test their response and accuracy under duress, and there are much better and safer ways to induce this through training without taking life-threatening risks and developing bad training scars.

This, like the sledgehammer-to-the-abs BS is a common thread in Russian military culture that emphasizes the "showiness" over the substance. They're more concerned with how badass they can appear to the world rather than the real world effectiveness of the exercise.

i dont think your seeing the points of it think of the "hot seat" drill with hostage rescue, this is when your buddies are shooting live rounds in the training exercise to to save the mock hostage which will be either be you or one of your buddies as the hostage this normally has all the same risks as most of these drills. The point of the exercise is not Accuracy or the threat it self, its to instill confidence UNDER STRESS cause no doubt during this task your stressed its so when it actually happens your muscle memory and training takes over and the person can CALMLY complete his task or response so he can focus on What he is shooting, what is behind the shooter, and how to take him down safely and fast with out causing unwanted damage.

Also take a sec and think. How would you react the second u got shot and realized your ok? My guess you probly have some sort of reaction that would stop you for a second or freeze your mind of what ever is happening.
with a EXTREME drill like this is teaching those operators to Keep calm under stress and React.

Cause getting shot in the chest with a live round and having to stand there and TAKE IT takes some serious balls, But it makes them all the more ready when the person shooting IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO f**K THEM UP.
these drills are for sharping there for making the operator more confident with his skills so when the time his needed he wont worry under stress and make mistakes.

YES there are risks but its there country but hey in combat there is WAY more risks sometimes training risks payoff
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I would argue that a primary goal of combat training is to improve your chances of survival in combat. It strikes me as obvious that needlessly putting yourself at incredible risk of dying WHILE training is contrary to that goal.
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It strikes me as obvious that needlessly putting yourself at incredible risk of dying WHILE training is contrary to that goal.
Can you conceive of the possibility that they don't consider it needless?
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What is that training exercise going to translate into? Riot control??
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Riot Control? Not quite.

Al'fa is Russia's "Tier-1", and only the best of Al'fa are allowed to perform drills like this. These aren't every day soldiers. A lot of people seem to think this is unnecessary or obscene, but from my perspective, it's powerful.

The amount of tenacity this puts into a warrior is insurmountable. Why wouldn't you trust your comrade to shoot you in the body armor, or past your head? You put your life in his hands every time you're on a mission. In that way, it's only building a bond between them. A trust. There is some truth to being desensitized to stress.

These guys are put through this kind of training because these guys are put in these types of situations. If they couldn't make it through training, they couldn't make it in the field. That's the philosophy. "Learn to Survive, or Die."
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I'd be more confident in ccw holders if they had training like this.

I loved the slow motion of the trainee almost putting a round down his leg.

Tough. Hate to see these guys on the field.
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I'd be more confident in ccw holders if they had training like this.

I loved the slow motion of the trainee almost putting a round down his leg.

Tough. Hate to see these guys on the field.
that was not a trainee and that was not a ND shot it was to the aggressor to BACK the **** UP OR I WILL BACK YOU UP THE HARD WAY shot.
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Ok, my mistake. Watched it with the sound off.
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