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tm thompson m1a1?

if i was to get a tm thompson m1a1 with a drum clip could i use this as a milsim gun because i am thinking of getting into milsim and also want a wwII gun. so thanks for the info........
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Old 05-06-2009, 05:05 PM
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It is highly unlikely to be allowed at any reputable events.
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Old 05-06-2009, 05:10 PM
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Why do you want a thompson? Why not a mp5? Most milsim events will restrict use of non period weapons.
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It is highly unlikely to be allowed at any reputable events.
Lets state the reasons why...

1. Milsim today is based off of modern conflict. This means that any conflict that has occurred post 1980 time span, where the AEG's that are common on the market today, were making their world wide appearance. (And yes, I know the AK has been around much earlier than that.) The Thompson saw little use after the Korean war, which ended in 1953.

2. A drum [mag] was not a common commodity among users in combat zones, as ammunition conservation was a high priority when designing weapons of the time. Take for instance the 1903's 5 round internal box magazine, or the Garand's 8 round clip.

3. Milsim is not just a type of game, but a player mindset. Anyone not willing to follow conventions such as those seen in the modern military should expect to have a difficult time following Airsoft based Milsim guidelines. The Thompson is simply not used any more as a main battle weapon, and as such, a player needs to understand that for Milsim, his/her loadout should not be based on such as weapon.

Milsim is the most heavily covered topic on this forum, being a Milsim based forum. I suggest that instead of taking the easiest path of asking generic questions, you take the time to use the search function and read up on the subject yourself. You'll find yourself finding answering many of your own questions and at the same time forming an appropriate opinion.

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do not get a thompson in my opinion if you want to be in milsim. if you like sub machine guns go with an mp5 or even an m4 carbine, plus i have a thompson, they are a pain to get parts for anymore. but what ever gun you get no drum mags., unless you have a saw, or rpk because milsim events make you have midcaps if you dont have a support weapon.
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Know how you feel man I personally would love to have a Thompson my self (not some pansy 9mm submachine gun lol) but it really isnt practical for a number of reasons so if you get one try to use it at open plays etc.
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I don't really see the problem with using a Thompson for MilSim. I see it as any other SMG, whether that be an MP5, MP7, etc.

Why would a MilSim event restrict the Thompson from being used?

If I can see U.S. Forces with AK-47/74s and G36s or Terrorist/Foreign Forces with U.S. weapons and loadouts, why would an older model SMG (The Thompson) be a problem if some uses it? Tons of people use classic M1911s and those date back even farther than the Thompson design.

I agree with the no drum mag point, it would be crucial to get mid-cap magazines for it.

Another point is that anyone can say anything on the internet about what you should and shouldn't get, but it all comes down to you. What you want in a gun, not some random person's opinion on the internet. Who cares if that style of weapon isn't for their tastes, it is you who are going to be using it.

Also, for the recond I have never seen a Ohio airsoft event require a certain time period gun. National Events may be an exeption, though. You would have to check with the event's organizers on what is able to be used or not.
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Type the word Milsim into the search function and see what comes up. Military simulation. That means that the methods, weapons, and equipment used in game play is greatly similar (in an ideal world exact) to that those used in modern conflict. Show me an image where a Thompson is being used in modern conflict.

The 1911 "point" is flawed from the get go. Mainly because it has stood the test of time, and is preferred by many people who want the power it brings to the table. The marine MEU is still a 1911, but its not the same gun. A pistol is a secondary, which some members of AO don't seem to understand. It is a last ditch weapon. However, the Thompson is a primary, and a heavy one. To large to carry as a secondary such as the 1911. The Thompson has a lack of range and accuracy that main battle forces desire in a primary these days. Its capabilities are out of date. Even weapons such as the Mp5 are becoming more and more rare, as they lack armor piercing capabilities.

When it comes to Milsim, I don't care what the individual thinks they should be able to do with their gun. It comes down to the event organizers, and the Thompson is not a safe choice. Much the same way people ask if they can use their M4 as a support weapon if they throw a box mag on it. (Which is where I think he was about to go.)


EDIT: For those of you wanting a replica .45 weapon, find yourself a UMP or hunt down a KRISS. Keep in mind that these are Law Enforcement weapons.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A1_Thompson

They were used in Bosnia. But unless there is a milsim event on the Bosnia conflict, Tommys/Thompsons should not be used
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Old 05-06-2009, 07:26 PM
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there was no intention on using a thopson as a support weapon ever i just simply think it looks good and is more efficient than standard thompson magazins because of their odd shape i really dont want to try to find a pouch for them and that bosnia article is intresting
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When you are talking about insurgency and guerrilla warfare, anything that shoots a bullet has been used and will continue to be used.
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Thompson M1A1's do not accept drum mags. Problem solved!
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they actually do accept them
http://www.airsoftpost.com/preorder-...t-p-31032.html
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That is very true Spectre.

Da dace: real steal m1a1s' do not accept drum mags, the M1928 and M1921 versions do.
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if i was to convert it could i then?
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If I were you, I would ask the event organizer/s that is hosting the event in which you want to go to about that.
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its not a specific event it is just any i may go to
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Yeah, what I meant was ask before hand at the event/events. Or you could convert it to a midcap.
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what would be the point of converting it to a mid cap if the reason i wanted it was because i didnt want to look for a bunch of midcaps and find a pouch that fit them i wanted the drum mag so i didnt need to do this
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The vast majority of Milsim games require midcaps. That is FACT.
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spectre you are absolutely right i dont know what i was thinking when i posted that but since a real drum mag holds 71 rounds what would a mid cap for that be?

EDIT:wouldt a mid cap be about 213 rounds?
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I see we have different viewpoints Spectre, and I am fine with that. The problem I saw was you giving the idea that the Thompson should not be used, merely because it is an older weapon.

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The Thompson is simply not used any more as a main battle weapon, and as such, a player needs to understand that for Milsim, his/her loadout should not be based on such as weapon.
So what? If you like the weapon, go with it. As long as the event's organizers have not banned/restricted older "non-modern" guns, why shouldn't you go with something you like? Just because someone online said not to?

I understand MilSim is to create the most realistic combat senario, but one person with a Thompson will never be noticed among the multiple other AEGs everyone is carrying. Besides, if we were extremely critical on "MilSim" weapons, why do the U.S. Forces not all carry M4/M16/SCAR/M249 and assorted other U.S. guns? Or the Rebels/Terrorists have surlpus Russian guns or mismatched and completely random guns? Everyone has a different gun because we choose what we like. If that be an older SMG, so be it.

This post is mearly my feelings on the subject
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echoes i agree entirely with what you just said thanks and you bring up a great point it doesnt make sense that i wouldnt be able to and even if i still can use a thompson there than i will get over it and go to a different event!
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You would most likely be allowed to use a M1A1 at a milsim event, but not with any kind of drum mag.

However, if you are seriously interested in MILSIM, there is nothing MILSIM about an M1A1 unless you are planning on attending WW2 events, which to my knowledge there never has been on in Ohio. So it seems you only want to attend MILSIM events for the mere sake of being able to play airsoft, not really intending to be serious in regards to the purpose of the event.
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it is more i wish to see how they run and this summer my friend is coming up from florida and wishes to come to a milsim event up here and so if i need to buy another gun for him i thought i should also try to get a tm thompson because i declared that to be the next gun i get
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