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Rusty Knife

After the recent event of Operation Snow (Rain) Blind, I realized my knife has accumulated a bit of rust on it. The knife is new, and i don't want to ruin it, but how should i go about removing the rust?
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Make sure you wipe it off with a cloth after everyuse.
Make sure you keep the knife dry,
and make sure the sheathe is also dry on the inside.

as for the Rust try scrubing it down with CLR,
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actually, get some WD40 and a red 3M scrub pad from an auto parts store. spray the blade with WD40 and scrub off the rust. For prevention, wipe off the blade after use, and wipe down with gun oil occasionally.
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Typically I lick the rust off. Or If that fails, I buy a new knife.

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thanks guys, ill try the WD-40 thing tonight dub
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I've been able to get the rust off of my swords by using just steel wool and then whiping it off with a dry cloth (a sock)
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Make sure you wipe it off with a cloth after everyuse.
Make sure you keep the knife dry,
and make sure the sheathe is also dry on the inside.

as for the Rust try scrubing it down with CLR,
+1 On the CLR or even soaking it in COLA for a night or two.

If it is an all metal knife, after soaking it and cleaning it, bake it in the oven for about 20 minutes at 300ish to force out any excess water then oil it and put it away. Next time you plan to use it just keep a light coating of a good oil on the knife and you will not have any problems. I prefer Hoppe's 9 gun lube and Hoppe's 9 solvent on my guns and knives, that stuff works wonders.

You could also polish it with Flitz, I hear people that do this never have any more problems because it seals the pores of the metal up to the point that it beads water, no personal experience with that though.

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Old 01-09-2008, 05:21 PM
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actually if you want to remove excess moisture or grime, use DN'd (denatured) alcohol and a clean cloth. the DN'd alc. will evaporate, taking any excess moisture and old oil with it. Just make sure not to handle the metal after you do it due to the fact that you are exposing the metal directly to your skin oil (which is high in salt and corrodes metal easily). Oil the blade immediately after the DN'd alc. evaporates.
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A lot of people think that water is the #1 reason for rust when it isn't. Its the acids/ minerals in the water that rust it. Salt, brine and other minerals cause the actual rust. you can use a 3m pad or very fine emory cloth/sand paper. I'd recommend 480 grit. Just make sure that when you polish the blade that you always go in the same direction, don't do circles, just go with the length of the blade on every stroke. This will leave a better surface finish and the more fine the surface is the fewer microscopic crevasses in the metal their are for water to sit in and cause the rust. Acetone will also help to evaporate any water from the blade after wiping it, just wear gloves if you use it as it is a carcinogen.
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actually IMO if you keep the scrubbing in just the area the rust is and keep it with the grain of the blade with a good amount of WD40 then the finish is not disrupted that badly.
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thats true. but you can improve the finish if you wanted to by polishing the entire length of the blade. Granted I'm a mold maker and molds often have to have a uniform finish of 4 micro so I've gotten a bit anal about having an uneven surface finish.
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well you also have to realize, he probably doesn't have access to the proper tools or the knowledge in how to do it. we use a buffing wheel at 7200 (if I remember correctly) RPM. It's a scary device to use and I have witnessed several near disasters using one. My boss had an "incident" involving one.
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I am sorry, but I MUST say this....WHY on earth would you bring a REAL knife to an airsoft game? Unless it is a utility knife of which it would NOT have been out in the elements...thus NOT getting rusted.
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Metal doesn't have to be exposed directly to the elements to rust. It's the minerals in the water (and water vapor) that cause the rust. I have things in my tool box at work that don't get used often that have a thin layer of rust on them.
I take a small knife on the field with me typically. It's useful for cleaning mud out of the treads of your boots when you would rather not get your gloves/ hands dirty. He could have had an MRE or something else that would be made much easier just by having a utensil of some sort.
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Everything has the capacity to get wet Maiden!, even if its in a pouch, or a pocket.
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PS- Hoppes gun oil, or general oil (even a thin coat of motor will do). Scotch pad to remove rust.
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"cutthroat agrees: Neg not needed, there are many reasons people bring knifes to games."

There is no reason to carry a combat/fighting knife in a game except for 1 thing, TOO LOOK COOL?
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"It's useful for cleaning mud out of the treads of your boots when you would rather not get your gloves/ hands dirty. He could have had an MRE or something else that would be made much easier just by having a utensil of some sort."

He has not stated what type of knife it was. I carry a multi-tool and swiss army knife when playing in case something is to go wrong with my weapon and I am not able to go back to where I left all of my tools/bags off field. This happened at Snow Blind that you could not have left the field untill the senario was complete. If it was a combat knife I do abologize.
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Kingmob I understand this,,,but like Miyagi said...unless it is a utility knife...IT SHOULD NOT BE WORN ON THE PERSON DURING AN EVENT!

Cutthroat...neg was most definately needed. But perhaps you would like to explain to me how a combat knife/kabar or other longer blade has a place on the airsoft field? And this is REAL steel dear...not your rubber playing knife.
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"It's useful for cleaning mud out of the treads of your boots when you would rather not get your gloves/ hands dirty. He could have had an MRE or something else that would be made much easier just by having a utensil of some sort."

He has not stated what type of knife it was. I carry a multi-tool and swiss army knife when playing in case something is to go wrong with my weapon and I am not able to go back to where I left all of my tools/bags off field. This happened at Snow Blind that you could not have left the field untill the senario was complete. If it was a combat knife I do abologize.
This is no offense to sniper1 at all btw.

1) it was a 4 hour event with food served after. No need to carry an MRE nor the time to eat it.

2) It wasnt a lockdown. If there were gun malfunctions, which if you were there you would have heard it, a ref was permitted to walk you off of the field. If it couldnt be repaired, you were asked not to leave but to come back onto the field to help with non combat tasks. Personally, i wouldnt be using anything short of a screwdriver to attempt repair in the rain in the mud on the field.

3) Red Dragon is woodland, as well as most fields we play on. There are tons of sticks and rocks that could be used to clean boot treads...


While we could turn this into a think tank and think of all the minute possibilties to have a knife on the field, most will agree its a) just there to make you look cool, b) just another thing you're going to lose that you really dont need....Have you seen players stop playing because they've lost a mag or a buttcap?.....now imagine losing a teamate to find a knife that they brought into the field just incase they MIGHT have to play Macgyver.


Back on topic.

Wes and demonic hit it on the head. I've lost and refound a few of my pocket knives over the years and when found are usually covered in surface rust. I soak mine in WD40 for a few days and let the rust break down, clean with abrasive pad and resharpen.

I will say that i havent seen said yet that if your blade is stainless steel, dont use steel wool or anything with a metal base as well as scotchbrite pads. Fragments of the shavings will lodge into crevises and rust causing blotches on your blade...as well as chemical damage.
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the reason why i had it at the game was that there was a bomb to be defused, without it, i would have set of two smoke detectors placed inside the box

and other than that my gun has been acting up lately, ive frequently needed to use tape on the fuse holder and battery. ray told us before the game we would need to bring extra batteries. thus opening my foregrip causing the fuse holder to break. i needed it to strip the wires, and cut tape. obviously, it was a utility knife.
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yes BUT you don't need a full sized combat knife for that, a small fold out will suit your purpose much better without causing an uproar.


EDIT: whoops, from the discussion I was under the impression that it was a large knife, apparently not.
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dub, it was only a pocketknife
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"Pocket knife" for the neg rep trolls

Guys, bofore you set out to destroy someone, please give them a chance to explain. The kid had a pocket knife on him. This kid is a good kid. I've met him on the field and his father attends every event with him. Don't be so quick to judge next time.

I know many players who carry leathermens and other pocket knives to work on guns at events. This is perfectly acceptable.
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There are indeed good reasons to have a utility (pocket knife with you at games) along with electrical tape and such. Anyways, If you want to remove the rust without scratching the blade. Which is what I am assuming the goal is here. Ill tell you how a gunsmith does it to remove light surface rust off of a blued gun without scratching it. Take very light oil, I used typewriter oil. put it on and around the rust, then take the finest steel wool you can find lightly rub it off. The oil will make a thin barrier between you and the metal. After your done clean it off completely and use a can of duster gas to make sure you don't have any wool inside anything. Then wipe it down with some anti rust gun oil.
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There are indeed good reasons to have a utility (pocket knife with you at games) along with electrical tape and such. Anyways, If you want to remove the rust without scratching the blade. Which is what I am assuming the goal is here. Ill tell you how a gunsmith does it to remove light surface rust off of a blued gun without scratching it. Take very light oil, I used typewriter oil. put it on and around the rust, then take the finest steel wool you can find lightly rub it off. The oil will make a thin barrier between you and the metal. After your done clean it off completely and use a can of duster gas to make sure you don't have any wool inside anything. Then wipe it down with some anti rust gun oil.
Absolutely, however i think when people started jumping to conclusions and naming reasons is why alot of people started running the offensive route...

I also stated that running around in the field with a knife is not an entirely great idea. Reason being is that it IS something you can lose rather quickly if not secured properly. A good amount of people i've met that have lost something will call themselves out to find and retrieve their lost object.
A mag, a radio, a pistol, totally understandable. Those are all items that are crucial to game play(Granted a pistol can be debated to its importance, however thats not the point). My point being you lose a man for 5 or 10 minutes and it really can matter to the rest of the team. If its to something of minimal use like a knife then you're detrimental to the team for a reason. My reasoning behind that is IF your gun is flakey enough for you to need to carry a knife on the field then you need to do yourself and your team a favor and fix it before hand.

While i whole heartedly agree that you should have a pocket knife/utility tool and electrical tape on you, its better to leave the tool behind at respawn/basecamp/or safety area. You can always go back to respawn to retrieve your item needed as well as take the time to reload or change batteries.(If permitted at the event)...Remember, regardless if you change your battery on the fly or at respawn you are still of minimal use to your team and most likely during your battery change you will be shot and forced to bleedout/respawn anyway. The benefit of leaving it behind is that a) its concealed from the elements in a box, b) its in a stationary position that logic dictates you are less likely to lose. Comming from someone thats lost a Gerber, 50 bucks is enough to learn a lesson.

Reaper, like i said, i play with you frequently and enjoy doing so; i mean no offense towards you or your father and/or your play tactics. I know that you havent lost your knife and that its not the intended topic of discussion; I humbly just offer advice for future reference.

Back to topic. Lots of great ideas here on the board, almost all will give you optimal results, take your pick.

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