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The Pistol Only Revolution

The PISTOL ONLY REVOLUTION

The POR was created out of my love of Gas Blowback Pistols, and in defiance of the growing tendency in recent times, of AEG users resorting to the dedicated use of high capacity magazines and drum magazines.

That being said, the POR’s guiding principles are thus:

1.) The dedicated use of Gas Blowback PISTOLS as primary weapons on the field of play.

2.) Commitment to airsoft pistol marksmanship training and practical pistol training.

3.) The dedication to stick with a Pistol only loadout, even in the face of being utterly outgunned by full auto spray and pray AEG users.

4.) The commitment to overcome such obstacles with tactics, marksmanship and ingenuity, rather than overcoming by resorting to an “Arms Race”

With these principles in place, I will endeavor to provide as much information as I can on what is necessary to become a successful Airsoft Pistol Only Combatant (APOC)

In the following article, there will be:

* Suggested Equipment Lists (Which includes preferred GBB models and brands, combat gear, safety gear, and loading equipment)

* A GBB simplified care and maintenance guide

* An APOC skills and tactics guide.

* A ADPC (Airsoft Dual Pistols Combatant) skills and tactics guide

* A guide on how to deal with in-field ridicule by AEG users.

* A guide dealing with related topics, such as “pimped out pistols” and “NBBs and their place in the POR”. As well as “The pistol sniper rifle”

* POR philosophical doctrines

Stay tuned to the Airsoft Specialists Articles section for The Official Launch of the POR, as well as a list of requirements to be listed as a dedicated APOC and/or ADPC.

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With my imminent move to Cincinnati this fall, I will be wanting to form an Ohio chapter of the POR. This does not mean a new team, only a group of dedicated APOCs that can congregate for the sake of training and camaraderie.

I dont have the POR artcle ready for publishing yet... but you can check out my original Dual Pistol article at Airsoft Specialists now if you want.
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Old 04-02-2006, 04:55 AM
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Somehow I don't foresee this idea taking off anytime soon...
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Me too. Good luck with trying to form a team that only uses pistols that have short range and low ammo capacity, against more accurate and more powerful AEG's. Oh, don't forget the fact that you can't give suppressive or covering fire effectively with just a pair of pistols. It's just not practical.
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The thing I don't like about gas pistols is paying for the gas. Its just such a hassle to go up there and buy gas all the time, and I find myself using gas faster than bb's. Plus I have issues with leaky glock mags and that continues to piss me off to no end. I may sell my glock and get the TM electric.
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Oh ye have little faith.

I have retorts for all those statements, but as I have found on my own forum, it is pointless to argue them in open forums with people who are so blindly dedicated to AEGs and/or Hi Caps. (Thats just a little friendly jab)

All such things will be covered in the article, either in one of the main sections or the FAQ section. It is up to each individual to decide if they wish to take my lesson to heart. I do not intend at any point to argue with those who do not agreee, or that will not give it a chance.

I dont expect to get many... I don't need many, just a few.... and I will be happy. I have been going pistol only for 2 and half years. (After 2.5 years of AEG use) and I have done better every day in the field since.

Of course TAPSS has improved my effectiveness with Pistols greatly... one of the reasons I started TAPSS.

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Somehow I don't foresee this idea taking off anytime soon...
I agree completely. Who would limit themselves to only a pistol when they could have a rifle? Seems silly if you ask me...
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I don't think you guys should give BattlePriest a hard time about this. If he can keep up with aeg users just using pistols, then apparently he's doing something right, and I would have to applaude his skill.
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Eh, I like the idea personally. Will you lose, not always. Yesterday for that matter I put my SR16 down so I could use my pistol. I was at EAG in PA inside the town (for anyone who is familiar) and I knew where the enemies were. Last man alive, I used my pistol to get the kill. It would have been a lot easier with my SR, but I much rather a pistol kill over AEG, you have to work for it.

I say to each their own. It would be something I'd try out if I was in OH.
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I understand the dissatisfaction of using hicaps, but what do you make of events that are trending towards the use of only mid/low capacity magazines? What about the use of your AEG made you want to make such a switch? Maybe if we understand your motives, you can gain some sympathy for your ideas.
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Having the capability of Full Auto, and having just ONE hi cap at my disposal (each one was a package deal that came with a hi cap) made me prone to use Full auto... all the time. Even when I chose to TRY to only use semi auto on my AEGs... in the end, I used full auto and wasted ammo on targets that were out of good acquisition range.

And from my experience in the field... pretty much most of those with AEGs do the same thing. I have not yet played with or against those that use Low caps, or Standards only. Everyone I have played with or against, has at least one hi cap... and lately, many have ONLY high caps... like 6 600 round hi caps... and they use them... ALL of them, in a days gaming. Some in just ONE skirmish. Then there are those with 3 2000-3000 round drum mags.. on MP5s....

My dislike for USING AEGs will always remain... but I will be much more respecting of AEG users that ONLY use Standards or Low caps (If I ever come across such people)

BUT... my desire to go pistol only does not come ONLY from my dissatifaction with AEGs... it is also, if not moreso, because I LOVE how GBBs work, I like how they feel when they shoot, I love how easy and quick it is to aquire targets, and how uncombersome they are.

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If you want to organize a pistol-only day some time, let me know. I'd be willing to help. Sounds like fun.

I'm not sure if I would use pistols only all the time, but it'd be fun for some games or even for a day.
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I'm with Gertrude there. I'd love to attend a pistols only game. I (and my entire team, the 97th) use aeg's, but we use only standards and lows. I use my pistol any chance I get. Pistol kills just feel better.
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Come to think of it, nearly EVERY time that I have pulled my pistol due to being inside the MED or out of ammo with my AEG, I score a kill with my pistol.

AEGs, HI-Caps, and sniper rifles do not make you invincible. I absolutely believe that someone with stealth, patience, and handgun skills can compete with an AEG.
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Tactics are good

I have both gas pistols and full blown aegs that shoot like gas and I can see the difference in both of your arguments. For the man BattlePriest ( kick *** name by the way) you can't always use pistols. I understand the love for pistols and the love for aegs as well. When you use a pistols or duals in combat you are more mobile and have to be more accurate or you are toast. But I had an experience just yesterday against a kid using a UTG mp5. Me and two of my teammates had all gas pistols ( i had duals) and he mopped the floor with us. The tendency to spray bs with aegs is ridiculous and uses no tactics whatsoever. I stress the use of tactics and so does my best friend and team leader Chuck. He uses 40 round mid cap mags for a g36 and we've won 90 percent of the games against the group of the playersy against. Is it better to use pistols and tactics, YES because winning is the most important thing. But the idea to use all pistols on a whole team won't work. You need one or two aegs floating around on your best players that don't have itchy trigger fingers. I like the idea, but those crazy sobs with aegs are hard to get cause u have to be very accurate. That why I use a riot shield, HAHAHAHA.

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This is Chuck from the above post and I just wanted to say that even though he had the mp5 the only reason that we were out that fast was because there were only three people left on our team and we were surrounded out in a clearing with very little cover otherwise we would have owned the other team!
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Having the capability of Full Auto, and having just ONE hi cap at my disposal (each one was a package deal that came with a hi cap) made me prone to use Full auto... all the time. Even when I chose to TRY to only use semi auto on my AEGs... in the end, I used full auto and wasted ammo on targets that were out of good acquisition range.

And from my experience in the field... pretty much most of those with AEGs do the same thing. I have not yet played with or against those that use Low caps, or Standards only. Everyone I have played with or against, has at least one hi cap... and lately, many have ONLY high caps... like 6 600 round hi caps... and they use them... ALL of them, in a days gaming. Some in just ONE skirmish. Then there are those with 3 2000-3000 round drum mags.. on MP5s....
Since you are making a comback, I think you should look at the past year and how many major events are utilizing magazine restrictions. I doubt I'll sway you but I don't think it's correct to condemn AEGs so quickly when many others having similar feelings against the paintsoft style you are describing, and are taking to proactive steps to organize and participate in events that restrict magazines and ammo....
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My dislike for USING AEGs will always remain... but I will be much more respecting of AEG users that ONLY use Standards or Low caps (If I ever come across such people)
Go west bro. There is a community in kansas that banned Hi-caps as a group (with some special exception rules) and never looked back.
And I've seen alot of other groups and game organizers, around the country in my travels that feel the same way.

You'll also see those people in Ohio.

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Pistols only eh? It sounds like alot of fun, although my first battle I had a spring action pistol against spring action rifles and I got owned.

I wouild reccommend gas and having a few members on your team with AEGs.

My team only uses standard capacity mags in our m-16s. Thankfully we don't have to worry about the hi-caps!

When you have a pistol only event, please let us know here. I'll see what I can do about bringing my team to the event
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I think it's a great idea, and I'd gladly participate, but I can't on accounta I ain't got a pistol.

Saying 'pistols only' is silly is like saying 'no hi-caps' is silly. If you don't believe in limiting firepower to enrich gameplay, then why stop at hi-cap AEGs? Why not howitzers? Mini-guns? Carpet bombing? We all agree that limits should be set. The only difference is precisely where to set the cutoff.
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I would love to do this. I wanted to start off with a nice pistol BUT my friend was selling a new s system cheap. But even though I use an AEG now I will ONLY use star mags. I like the realism of them AND I believe in a well placed shot and stealth over paintsoft... Id say an all pistol game would be awesome in a CQC type environment.
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Guys, what I don't think you are taking into account here is the enviroment that he is used to playing in. I also believe you guys are underestimating the accuracy and power of gbb's.

First off, enviroment. Battlepriest, I know the guys you play with. Well, at least their mentality. There is a reason why I drive 5+ hours for an airsoft game in Ohio from the Chicago-land area. The big thing in this area is firepower and volume. It's a very infant scene with no real guiding lights. I have been around aggressive sports in Joilet before one of thier games and most of the guys are stocking up on bigger and more mags. The reason being that the more plastic they can lay down, the better they are, or so they think. The scene up here is the same scene AO had back in about 2002 or so.
Battlepriest, I feel your pain and trust me, the last thing I wanna do is play against some of these kids up here. 450 fps rifles with enough hicaps to choke a horse and insane ROF's is not my idea of fun. So I can understand why you are leading a sort of counter culture revolution. Heck, I invite you to come out to a few games that are AO hosted games. I would say that you would be impressed. We'll never be rid of the trigger kiddies, but at least the most experieced players are manuvering and praciting fire-control.

Second is the potential of a GBB. Given the proper expansion and regulation, gas power is potentially more powerful than and AEG, all with less wear and tear on a gun. Ever wonder why the k98 by tanaka is so powerful? It uses the same green gas as my KJW Glock and can push rounds into the 400 fps range, where as my glock is lucky to break 300. The answer is expansion. The potential for gas is very high and in the hands of a good airsmith, a gbb could actually be as accurate, if not more accurate that a fully decked out APS2.

Battlepriest, welcome to Ohio, I hope you find it as inviting as I have. Also, good luck in your endevor, I will root for you. I may not participate, since my gbb is absolute garbage, but I would never hinder you.
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Guys, what I don't think you are taking into account here is the enviroment that he is used to playing in. I also believe you guys are underestimating the accuracy and power of gbb's.

First off, enviroment. Battlepriest, I know the guys you play with. Well, at least their mentality. There is a reason why I drive 5+ hours for an airsoft game in Ohio from the Chicago-land area. The big thing in this area is firepower and volume. It's a very infant scene with no real guiding lights. I have been around aggressive sports in Joilet before one of thier games and most of the guys are stocking up on bigger and more mags. The reason being that the more plastic they can lay down, the better they are, or so they think. The scene up here is the same scene AO had back in about 2002 or so.
Battlepriest, I feel your pain and trust me, the last thing I wanna do is play against some of these kids up here. 450 fps rifles with enough hicaps to choke a horse and insane ROF's is not my idea of fun. So I can understand why you are leading a sort of counter culture revolution. Heck, I invite you to come out to a few games that are AO hosted games. I would say that you would be impressed. We'll never be rid of the trigger kiddies, but at least the most experieced players are manuvering and praciting fire-control.

Second is the potential of a GBB. Given the proper expansion and regulation, gas power is potentially more powerful than and AEG, all with less wear and tear on a gun. Ever wonder why the k98 by tanaka is so powerful? It uses the same green gas as my KJW Glock and can push rounds into the 400 fps range, where as my glock is lucky to break 300. The answer is expansion. The potential for gas is very high and in the hands of a good airsmith, a gbb could actually be as accurate, if not more accurate that a fully decked out APS2.

Battlepriest, welcome to Ohio, I hope you find it as inviting as I have. Also, good luck in your endevor, I will root for you. I may not participate, since my gbb is absolute garbage, but I would never hinder you.
I have played at Challenge Park several times... I actually had a hand in helping thier first games in 2003 get moving along (by my constant bugging of thier "Airsoft Manager") I LOVE Challenge Park as a place to operate... its just that because it is first and foremost a paintball place... if ANY of the non mil sim types attend..and they do... it always ends up being a slugfest. And the Mil-Sim guys just up the ante, rather than sticking to thier roots and changing thier tactics... they just slap on a hi cap and move along.

I HAVE played MANY games in the Chicagoland area that have been OK on the Mil-Sim side, where people practice good fire control... And I actually dont mind a little OFF mil-sim gaming... its the spraying I cant stand.

And now days, with so many different choices to play, there is a game or event almost every single weekend, and many times more than one a weekend in Chi-town.

But yeah... I would still be pistol only even if I was immersed in a bb capacity controlled environment. I just love my pistols. I once got a kill with my Xcelerator Ltd at over 180 feet, with only 3 shots for drop and windage correction. And that was the Xcelerator (5" barrel) .... Now I have the SVI Expert model that comes standard with a tightbore.....

Yeah I got no problems with med to long range.

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most gas guns are lo capacity. May i ask why not include all gbbs into your " revolution "

actually what it sounds like is a lo cap revolution with a guide to gbb pistols.

either way i like the idea. And if you host an op i'd like to tote my mac 11 along if you don't mind.

only thing i have ever thought annoying about lo caps is that i have to buy certain guns to outfit them easily. other wise i loose op money.

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Well, as far as hosting ops, I will be hosting TAPSS events most likely. Which arent skirmishes. (See the event videos to see what I mean)

TAPSS are practical pistol competitions. I based the rules system very roughly off of IDPA. The system, when not used exclusively as a competition event, also works as a Pistol combat training system.

I am HOPING... that someone in the area will be able to provide me a TAPSS venue... a basement, a warehouse space etc....A Sponsor to provide prizes, like ASJ in Joliet has done, makes things all the cooler. But even a large garage or home basement could be enough for a small TAPPS course with the right materials to build up the course.

I gaurantee you if I had a house with a basement, I would have my own course set up immediately, and be practicing ALL the time. But.. alas, I wont be in a position to own a home for quite a while. Not while my fiance is still in grad school anyway.

Later on I may think about hosting Pistol skirmish events, once I get my footing in the area and find a suitable place.

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I have to congradulate you on having the balls to post something like this in this community. I took this idea to the last team practice, and we did a CQB practice round with just pistols. It was fun. Then just to **** around, we did duels, and also did ol wetern like fights (we had our sniper make shure we followed the rules insert sharp pain to the temple). I don't know if I am ready to give up my AEG just yet. Just curious, would AEP's be included in this Ie Tokyo Marui's Glock 18C or the Berretta M93R?
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