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Old 08-05-2013, 11:41 PM
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Specifically, drain crawling. Where you go into storm drains and crawl or walk around for no other reason than you want to.

So has anyone on here done this? I'd like to do this in my town, just for the fun of exploring this world that few people think about and fewer ever see. Who knows when I'll get around to it though. I have to make sure it's legal here first.

I can read about what gear to bring and stuff like that forever, so instead I'd like to have a discussion on it. So share some tips and experiences if you can!


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At first, I thought you were joking... however, if I were you, I would ask if it was legal, and if it was, obtain a map of the Cities Subterranean layout, and then try not to get lost.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:53 AM
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Just make sure not to do it when it's raining


Seriously, though, I didn't even know you could do that. It seems cool, no doubt, but I'd imagine obviously, there are dangers and precautions you would want to take. Not to mention legality issues. You very well may be trespassing onto the City's property.

Regardless, it still seems super cool and totally awesome. If you do it, you should take a GoPro and a very strong light along with you.
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Well, I've read up about trespassing and storm drains in the local laws. Nothing helpful in the storm drains section, but trespassing proved to be far more fruitful.

Basically, you're not allowed on property if the owner doesn't want you there. Does the owner (the city) want someone in their drains? Since there isn't any "no trespassing" sign, locked gate, fence, or anything else that implies that they don't want you there, one can assume that they don't mind people being in there. Would that hold up in court? I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.

This is definitely gray-area stuff, however you look at it.

As for maps, I believe there will be a geographic information system made in the near future for my city's storm drains. Whether it would be publicly viewable, I don't know.
I can print out satellite images from Google Maps, mark manholes and other points of interest, then connect the dots once in the tunnels.

I think I'll bring a couple of flashlights, and wear a baseball cap with a light clipped to the brim. Would bringing a small LED lantern be overpacking?

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devil advocate here.
Let say you go in the city's storm drain and while you are down there, a nice huge rain followed by flash floods occurs. No need to say, you could end up drowning and die.

Question: Who would be liable? the city? you?
Find the answer and that will tell you if the city want you in or not
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devil advocate here.
Let say you go in the city's storm drain and while you are down there, a nice huge rain followed by flash floods occurs. No need to say, you could end up drowning and die.
I completely agree with what Blade stated. I personally would contact a local city official as well as your local police department and ask them some questions about this. Also, the day you do it, I would contact the PD again and let them know your going to be in there, just in case anything happens to you, they know where to start looking.

Instead of asking on AO for legality issues and what not. I would just take the route that I mentioned above. Make sure to get names of people you talked to as well, if they say you are allowed. That way, if you do end up in court for something, you can have the names of people who told you were allowed.

These are just my thoughts though, I could be wrong. Good luck in your search though. I hope you are allowed and you stay safe.
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Well, the city has given me a no-no-no, so I'll have to pursue this in neighboring municipalities!
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Well, the city has given me a no-no-no, so I'll have to pursue this in neighboring municipalities!
I can most certainly predict that any gov't body you ask to do this will tell you no. It's a huge liability issue for them, if you get hurt in anyway on their property (in an area not suited for people to usually be in so its very possible) they would be at fault, and no one will take that chance.
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In the event you DO get permission, I'd make sure ALL my shots and vaccinations were up to date, including hepatitis. Lots of nasty stuff in sewers
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In the event you DO get permission, I'd make sure ALL my shots and vaccinations were up to date, including hepatitis. Lots of nasty stuff in sewers
Indeed there are. I'm up to date with everything, but that doesn't cover all the nasties out there. Supposedly, you can build up an amazing immune system from working (or just being) in any kind of sewer.

IF I got permission... Oh how I wish I could.
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Well, seeing as how you your local government told you no, I would expect the same from most. I've actually never heard of people being aloud to just walk through city sewers lol.

There are just too many risk involved with it on the local governments standpoint.
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Holy... How would one of those even fit into a 3 foot diameter pipe? That's gotta be like 7 feet tall! And gunshots down there would give you permanent hearing damage, so at least you couldn't hear it eating you. :P It's the Trites from Doom 3 I'm worried about.

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Or the Old Man from SCP Containment Breach... Or those hanging sewer things from HL2...

As far as real life goes, I've heard vulture chicks are the scariest thing you can stumble upon down there. They make demonic noises and look really weird.
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You will not get permission from no one on this. It is illegal anywhere to be in storm drains. If you are caught you will be put in jail. I have been in there but i didnt get caught but some friends did and got caught and they were not nice to them. So if i were you i wouldnt go through with it due to the legal part.
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To shed some light on this, as if it needed any more, unless you want to sit down with your local police and FBI office - I would stay out of any city's storm drains.

1) The storm drains are either owned by a company or by a municipality. You will be trespassing on private land regardless if there are posted signs or not.

2) Being caught in a storm drain will not only gain the attention of your local police department for the next X amount of years, but you will also gain the attention of federal agencies such as the FBI. Who may conduct a thorough investigation as too what exactly your intentions were and if those intentions risk homeland security.

3) Not only are there multiple diseases that can be contracted, it's just dirty in general. Not the good kind of dirty like that girl who wears the mini-skirt to PE class either.

4) If you were anywhere near me I would find you, and personally slap you across the face for even thinking this was a good idea. Shame on you.

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The city doesn't just utilize storm drains for rain water, but flooding caused by damaged water mains and fire suppression - that water goes somewhere. So there is the very real possibility normal everyday activities in the city could suddenly cause the tunnel you're exploring to flood.

You might also have areas that contain methane, Carbon Monoxide, or natural gas that could result in your imminent demise.

Apart from the legal aspects, going into any unknown area by yourself could be dangerous should you be injured. At the very least take a buddy with you so that you have someone to help guard your cornhole in lockup.
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Some otherwise rational people just have some weird ideas of fun. Same as all of us and airsoft: There's no practical reason, there are risks, but we do it anyway. Legally of course. Legality is the only reason I haven't explored storm drains; disease, gasses, steep falls, CDS units, sharp and rusty objects, illegally dumped chemicals and floods are things that I'd be willing to risk.

Thank you for the FBI tip, I didn't think that homeland security would get involved with something like this. I understand why though.

The point is across and acknowledged, I think this is ready for lockage.

DISCLAIMER: I do not advocate or recommend that people do anything illegal. If you read this post and decide to do something illegal, and get prosecuted, I am in no way responsible for your actions.
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I did something like this back when I was in 5th grade. Had a bunch of dumb friends.

We grabbed some flashlights and went about 20ft into a stormdrain on the edge of town. Wasn't very interesting. It was damp and it smelled bad. Never knew it was illegal though.
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