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You might want to let people know you need to have an amateur radio license to use one of these radios. And it can't legally be operated on FRS frequencies.
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Also might wanna throw it out there that these radios need to be programmed. They don't just come out of the box ready to go.
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Programming them for FRS / GMRS channels took 10 minutes, max.
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Programming them for FRS / GMRS channels took 10 minutes, max.
Also you can get the programming cable amd software and do it in 30 seconds. 321 does it.
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Also you can get the programming cable amd software and do it in 30 seconds. 321 does it.
Ray lost his cable though. It takes 90 minutes to get down there and back, so just manually doing it saved time.
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Programming them for FRS / GMRS channels took 10 minutes, max.
Yes and it's still illegal to use these on FRS/GMRS frequencies.

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Yes and it's still illegal to use these on FRS/GMRS frequencies.

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Would you mind explaining exactly why this radio is illegal to use on those channels?
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Would you mind explaining exactly why this radio is illegal to use on those channels?

I'd be happy to. All transmitter/receivers have to be certified for the particlar service they are designed for. CB radios are certified for the CB band. Marine radios are certified for the Marine band. FRS radios are certified for , I beleive Part 95 under FCC rules. The Baofeng ( originally designed as a business radio) is certifed under part 90 Amateur Radio. You can't use a radio in a service it wasn't certified for.
But wait, there's more. It CAN'T be certified for FRS/GMRS use because:
1. It transmits at a higher power, even at low power ( 1 watt) then permitted for FRS use ( .5 watt)
2. It can be programmed in the field
3. It has a removable antenna. This falls under part 15 FFC rules. You could put a larger antenna on it and increase the range.
Now you might ask, who died and left you to police the airwaves? Well the FCC did in a manner of speaking. Amateur radio operators are self policing. There is a group of volunteers, called Official Observers that make it a hobby of ferreting out illegal use of radios. When the FCC busts you, it's not like getting a ticket and going to court. Agents will knock on your door, hand you an Notice of Aparrent Liability. It ain't a court summons. You will have been found guilty and the notice if telling you how much you're gonna pay. And it ain't cheap. You could be 3-4 airsoft miniguns for what the fine is. Oh and all your radio equipment is GONE
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Just out of curiosity, where does that place the GP68 radios? They have a keypad and can be 'programmed in the field' (I had a freq. sheet on the back of my battery in case I ever needed to do a quick reprogram), I had two different sized antenna for it. And, if I recall correctly, it had a high and low power setting. (Not sure if that is the same thing that you have listed as #1, but it sounds similar.)
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I'd be happy to. All transmitter/receivers have to be certified for the particlar service they are designed for. CB radios are certified for the CB band. Marine radios are certified for the Marine band. FRS radios are certified for , I beleive Part 95 under FCC rules. The Baofeng ( originally designed as a business radio) is certifed under part 90 Amateur Radio. You can't use a radio in a service it wasn't certified for.
But wait, there's more. It CAN'T be certified for FRS/GMRS use because:
1. It transmits at a higher power, even at low power ( 1 watt) then permitted for FRS use ( .5 watt)
2. It can be programmed in the field
3. It has a removable antenna. This falls under part 15 FFC rules. You could put a larger antenna on it and increase the range.
Now you might ask, who died and left you to police the airwaves? Well the FCC did in a manner of speaking. Amateur radio operators are self policing. There is a group of volunteers, called Official Observers that make it a hobby of ferreting out illegal use of radios. When the FCC busts you, it's not like getting a ticket and going to court. Agents will knock on your door, hand you an Notice of Aparrent Liability. It ain't a court summons. You will have been found guilty and the notice if telling you how much you're gonna pay. And it ain't cheap. You could be 3-4 airsoft miniguns for what the fine is. Oh and all your radio equipment is GONE
So, three more questions.

1) Is there a legal frequency range for Baofeng radios to be used with? You said they were certified as "amateur radios" so there has to be something associated with that.

2) How would these radio policing hobbyists nail you for using an illegal radio? It seems like the process of identifying the end user and whether or not they were actually using an illegal radio would be rather indefinite.

3) Why would someone bother taking time out of their life to land someone else with a $27,000 fine?
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I'd be happy to. All transmitter/receivers have to be certified for the particlar service they are designed for. CB radios are certified for the CB band. Marine radios are certified for the Marine band. FRS radios are certified for , I beleive Part 95 under FCC rules. The Baofeng ( originally designed as a business radio) is certifed under part 90 Amateur Radio. You can't use a radio in a service it wasn't certified for.
But wait, there's more. It CAN'T be certified for FRS/GMRS use because:
1. It transmits at a higher power, even at low power ( 1 watt) then permitted for FRS use ( .5 watt)
2. It can be programmed in the field
3. It has a removable antenna. This falls under part 15 FFC rules. You could put a larger antenna on it and increase the range.
Now you might ask, who died and left you to police the airwaves? Well the FCC did in a manner of speaking. Amateur radio operators are self policing. There is a group of volunteers, called Official Observers that make it a hobby of ferreting out illegal use of radios. When the FCC busts you, it's not like getting a ticket and going to court. Agents will knock on your door, hand you an Notice of Aparrent Liability. It ain't a court summons. You will have been found guilty and the notice if telling you how much you're gonna pay. And it ain't cheap. You could be 3-4 airsoft miniguns for what the fine is. Oh and all your radio equipment is GONE
I assume your retired lol.
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Nope. Just an amateur radio operator
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So, three more questions.

1) Is there a legal frequency range for Baofeng radios to be used with? You said they were certified as "amateur radios" so there has to be something associated with that.

2) How would these radio policing hobbyists nail you for using an illegal radio? It seems like the process of identifying the end user and whether or not they were actually using an illegal radio would be rather indefinite.

3) Why would someone bother taking time out of their life to land someone else with a $27,000 fine?
1. Yes it is the amateur radio 2 meter and 70 cm band.
2. Well one could do a scan and get the frequency and time of transmission. The Official Observers do not do the actual bust. They turn the info over to the FCC and the FCC comes out with a truck loaded with all sorts of gear.
3. It's their hobby.
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Just out of curiosity, where does that place the GP68 radios? They have a keypad and can be 'programmed in the field' (I had a freq. sheet on the back of my battery in case I ever needed to do a quick reprogram), I had two different sized antenna for it. And, if I recall correctly, it had a high and low power setting. (Not sure if that is the same thing that you have listed as #1, but it sounds similar.)
Good question. I would take a look inside the battery compartment and see if there is some certification listed. The max power for FRS is 1/2 watt. Just the removable antenna would make it a no go for FRS. I believe this is a business class type radio although I'm not really familiar with it. Let me Google it and see if I can find some specs on it
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I'm actually really curious as to how they track you down. Scanning is one thing but how do they even find your position? Especially if people use these radios somewhere besides their house?
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Mac, thanks for the info. I'm trying to figure out the band frequencies so I can program those channels in as well.

From what I've gathered there are two amateur bands: The 2 meter band and the 70 cm band. The 70cm band is from 430-450 mHz and the 2 meter band runs from 144-148 mHz. Wikipedia says the 70cm offers a better gain and is more useful for long distances.

Are there any drawbacks to using these frequencies, other than not being on the same channels as people with FRS / GMRS radios? That could be a good thing, though. Private (ish) channels galore.

Edit: The article also mentions FM and TV stations using these frequencies. Will I be picking up anything from them if I use these bands?
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Mac, thanks for the info. I'm trying to figure out the band frequencies so I can program those channels in as well.

From what I've gathered there are two amateur bands: The 2 meter band and the 70 cm band. The 70cm band is from 430-450 mHz and the 2 meter band runs from 144-148 mHz. Wikipedia says the 70cm offers a better gain and is more useful for long distances.

Are there any drawbacks to using these frequencies, other than not being on the same channels as people with FRS / GMRS radios? That could be a good thing, though. Private (ish) channels galore.

Edit: The article also mentions FM and TV stations using these frequencies. Will I be picking up anything from them if I use these bands?
Yes, you can receive standard FM radio broadcasts and TV audio, but I'm not real sure abiut the latter. Most TV stations have gone digital and the Baofeng doesn't do digital.
The only drawback is you need a amateur radio license to legally operate on the 2m/70cm band. It's not all that difficult. If 8 years olds can do it anybody can. 26 out of 35 multiple choice questions.
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I'm actually really curious as to how they track you down. Scanning is one thing but how do they even find your position? Especially if people use these radios somewhere besides their house?
Well there is a contest hams run called Fox Hunting. A simple transmitter is hidden somewhere and the contestants try to find it. And the FCC has more sophisticated gear than the average ham.
Ok, lets say you're transmitting and a ham picks up your signal. He may be able to pinpoint the general area. He files a complaint with the FCC . The ordinary amateur can do that as well as Official Observers. Then the FCC dispatches a field unit to the area and they go to work. There is a system called triangulation where several receivers look for a signal by direction finding, which way is the strongest signal. When all points converge, there's your transmitter.
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