Airsoft Ohio Forums  
  #1  
Old 12-06-2008, 02:10 AM
RabidRecon's Avatar
RabidRecon RabidRecon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Warren
Posts: 104
RabidRecon is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
Training

The following is my training system and how it works for me, the entire system takes me only a few hours to do with my friends and I find it extremely benefiting.


-1-
I set up a course about 60 ft from one end to the other, the I set up obstacles about 30 ft in front of the course then I sneak through the obstacles, making sure I do my corner correctly, and the "sneak walk" (Rounding on the ball of your foot NOT the heel). Then servicing all the targets.

Good for reinforcing your ability to aim and good way to get used to new guns.


-2-
I try switching from my prim, to my sidearm, and back. And what situations would require a reload or a side arm switch. My best time is 2 seconds, my usual time is 3-5.

You have no idea how many times reinforcing these meathods in my head as helped. I have developed a 6th sense about it.


-3-
I get my friends together in certain position, and set up obstacles, and set my weapon at the end of a 90 ft stretch. Then I try to dodge their fire, get to my rifle and get all of them. We do this with 3 runners and 4 "Defenders". The defenders are at a fixed position.

This really helps simulating your mind of a high stress situation where you need to think on your toes. It also drills in that the best action isnt always shooting your enemy, sometimes its better to wait for your advantage.


-4-
Always, always learn exactly how my new gear will react in combat by doing all the moves I may do in a match.

I NEVER DIVE. Just break your equipment or your body.

But I will lay prone and roll, and crawl, and look in 6 directions, run for cover, sprint, ect.

I have a blindspot in my new headgear, but its worth it for the winter seasons, Ever get hit in your uncovered ear in 30 degree weather?

How do you guys train?
__________________



Fight until you die and drop. A force like ours is hard to stop. Close your mind to stress and pain, fight 'til you're no longer sane.

Last edited by RabidRecon; 12-06-2008 at 02:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2008, 02:31 AM
Sidd's Avatar
Sidd Sidd is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Akron, OH
Posts: 2,021
Sidd is a Private First ClassSidd is a Private First Class
iTrader: (39)
I just make sure my weapon fires reliably and accurately the rest i leave up to skills I have learned after years on playing.

only when i get bored and lonely do I find myself
Quote:
Then servicing all the targets
__________________
-Sidd-
I am the terror that flaps in the night




(14:33:39) Agent_Spencer: You just fly into an uncontrollable punching rage with those mother****ers on.
(14:33:48) Agent_Spencer: It's like High Speed Low Drag Hulk Hands.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2008, 03:13 AM
DemonicUnicorn2's Avatar
DemonicUnicorn2 DemonicUnicorn2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Akron
Posts: 876
DemonicUnicorn2 is a Private
iTrader: (9)
Quote:
This really helps simulating your mind of a high stress situation where you need to think on your toes. It also drills in that the best action isnt always shooting your enemy, sometimes its better to wait for your advantage.
Your best course of action, after an engagement begins, is to ALWAYS have rounds being fired. You fire until the threat is eliminated or until line of sight is thoroughly broken through peel tactics. If you are NOT suppressing them, you can't move. If you are suppressing them, you control the situation.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2008, 03:32 AM
Red's Avatar
Red Red is offline
Pro Communitus
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Columbus
Posts: 2,746
Blog Entries: 6
Red is a CorporalRed is a CorporalRed is a Corporal
iTrader: (31)
I never had success with training for Airsoft. I just wasn't into it with the people who I had played with. I think it'd be fun with the right scenarios and place to train....but training in the middle of nowhere in the woods just doesn't cut it for me. CQB training would be fun for me, though.

I'll agree with Sidd. I get my training from the experience I have on field. This is a learn from your experiences game. You can get shot and come back into the next game. Learning from experience will solidify lessons in your head. Repetition will help as well, but actually experiencing something is much different than training for it.

I got most of my training by watching experienced players play. More often than not, the guys you play along side with may be a hell of a lot more experienced than you think. You learn to study them, mock their playing style, and develop your own playing style from it.

These things have really saved my behind, and they are things you'll want to practice:

Learn when to shut up. This may not come naturally for some people. Stay quiet! Don't shift your weight onto that twig that could snap, don't walk fast, and above all, don't talk. Noise discipline will help you sneak up on others, and keep your position uncompromisable. Learn basic hand signals, and the body language of other players, and possibly your teammates.

Learn the difference between concealment and cover: A tree trunk will cover you. A bush will conceal you. A big rock will cover you. Tall grass will conceal you. You can get shot through concealment, but you can't get shot through cover. Get the picture? Learn when it is appropriate to hide behind certain things.


Discipline with movement:
In my experience, movement will give you away 99% of the time. If you don't move, and you're in a lot of brush, they probably wont see you. And if they don't know you're there, they won't shoot you. Keep a low profile, too. Don't stand up while you're taking a moment to break, or you have a stand-still or road block. Take a knee, get in some concealment or cover, or lay on your stomach. Just keep yourself hidden.

Staying patient:
It is hard to stay patient sometimes, but through a little bit of self discipline (on and off the field), you may find yourself with an advantage. Being able to surprise your enemy from 30 feet away instead of 90 will help solidify that kill. It may also save your ***, because there might be 10 guys behind that one guy that you see. If you wait, you may see that he is only a scout, and the rest of the squad is 20 feet behind him. Keep that trigger finger steady, but don't get antsy on me. Just stay alert, wait for the opportune moment, and take the shot you know you can hit. If the SHTF, then maybe you'll have to take a shot you're unsure of. You can't hit them every time, and sometimes its better to just scare them. Which gets me to another point...

COVER YOUR BUDDIES, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
I can't tell you how many times I've been aggravated by some new guy, or even an experienced player, ignoring their teammates so they can get that one extra kill. It might be nice to get that one extra kill, but its a hell of a lot more satisfying for me to save my teammate, work back to that guy, and take him out together. Learn how to peel out, center peel, and retreat effectively. And not only those, but learn how and when to cover fire.

Communication is KEY with these types of situations. Get familiar with the people you're playing with. If its your first time playing with them, tell them before the game what your habits are. What you like to do in certain situations, what your style may be. And let people know what you're doing, when you do it. If you're going to run out in the open to another piece of cover, ask for cover fire. Wait for confirmation, wait for a "Covering fire," and haul ***.

Oh, and learn to retreat. Too many people stick in one place, only to get massacred by a larger squad, or a more experienced squad. If you know you can't beat them in the circumstances, raise your odds and find a more suitable area or situation for you to win. Retreating doesn't mean you've lost, it just means you're smart.

Learn how to take orders, and find a good leader. This isn't an FPS. You can't win by yourself. There has to be a good leader, or leaders, to lead you. You have to have faith in these people to win, and these people need to know what they're doing. If they don't, you're going to be a suicide runner. Structure is important. You need every support beam to hold up a house. If a few start to give, more pressure is put on the others. Eventually they will fall, and the house will come down.

Pay attention on field. Listen to the experienced players and hear what they have to say. Whether its BS or not, you'll find out on the field.

So, that is how I train. I learn. And I share experiences with others. Who, hopefully, will find it helpful?
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-06-2008, 09:07 AM
sgtsawgunna's Avatar
sgtsawgunna sgtsawgunna is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 143
sgtsawgunna is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
Learn how to shut up is true. But you left out one important thign when sneaking around...TURN OFF YOUR CELL-PHONE!!!!!!
__________________
That is the expression you will get when a Marine in a Ghillie suit comes up and stabs you with a knife.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-06-2008, 10:40 AM
Scorpion's Avatar
Scorpion Scorpion is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: ::
Posts: 878
Blog Entries: 1
Scorpion is a Private First Class
iTrader: (19)
Rabid recon you're headed in a great direction and if you can find someone who is willing to teach you more advanced training regiments then you'll be set for almost any airsoft game.

But there is one aspect of "combat" that you have to master over all the others. And that is the fear of being "shot". Notice I didn't say get past, I said master. You must always fear being shot, but you need to use that fear in a way that will help you win the battle. Fear either shows us what our real limits are or how quickly we can become worthless to our squad mates. I've been playing long enough to pretty much know how someone is going to play just by talking to them in the staging area before the game.

If you are so focused on not getting shot that you can't see the need to push forward or get past the BBs then you become useless to your team. Far too many players nowadays are what I would classify as "weekend warriors" who show to have a good time but are too scared to really push hard with their teammates. If more people had the drive to push against fire rather than hide from it then we could have some awesome firefights.

Like Demonicunicorn said, if you're suppressing the enemy then you control them. I firmly believe this and live by it when I play. If I'm not firing at you, I'm moving to a position from which I can inflict the most casualties possible.

So in a simple answer, train like you're going to fight, and always expect that you will be facing the most highly trained individuals out there. That way when they don't even compare on a small scale you can "move through" them that much easier .

Then once you've got this down, everything else will come naturally to you. Whether it's MOUT, CQB, recon, assault, or convoy tactics, you can learn from others around you and read tons of online resources from around the world. And always remember, someone has done this before so figure out how they did it and see if you can make it better!

Last edited by Scorpion; 12-06-2008 at 10:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2008, 11:06 AM
Zach H's Avatar
Zach H Zach H is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 53
Zach H is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
man i hate it when allies dont cover each other(uless its on the opossing team) , or when you get "the independant player" who never listens to anyone or goes by the game plan.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2008, 11:17 AM
sgtsawgunna's Avatar
sgtsawgunna sgtsawgunna is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 143
sgtsawgunna is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
The thing is some people don't know how to cover other people. Or they just don't know what the plan is. But it does make the game hell. Of course then there are the people with no common snese and when you say "Fire when i say fire." and then say" Lay down cover fire....." you don't get to finish and they start shooting ALL over the place.
__________________
That is the expression you will get when a Marine in a Ghillie suit comes up and stabs you with a knife.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2008, 11:19 AM
Zach H's Avatar
Zach H Zach H is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 53
Zach H is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
ya i have been in a few tight spots due to uncoaperative players...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-06-2008, 11:21 AM
RabidRecon's Avatar
RabidRecon RabidRecon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Warren
Posts: 104
RabidRecon is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
I always cover my team. Me putting down some fire for a team mate is always worth it, even if it attracts attention my way...Hell especially if it attracts attention my way.

I always have my hand raised when my team lead needs some recon or flank work. I have the ability to just blend, I love it so much. There no so thrill like tapping someone on the back and when they turn, and you see their eyes, and you know they barely heard you yell "Surrender or Safe Kill", the biggest thrill ever for me.

My first game I had the honor of being in a two person team with an amazing player and I got to learn alot of the Do's and Don'ts.

I really want to play, I get about once a week in, either training or Battlefront, I want to play so much more but damnit life is getting in the way and its annoying d:

Life < Airsoft
__________________



Fight until you die and drop. A force like ours is hard to stop. Close your mind to stress and pain, fight 'til you're no longer sane.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-06-2008, 11:22 AM
Zach H's Avatar
Zach H Zach H is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 53
Zach H is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
i know how you feel
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-06-2008, 12:03 PM
RabidRecon's Avatar
RabidRecon RabidRecon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Warren
Posts: 104
RabidRecon is a Recruit Private
iTrader: (0)
Hey guys I wont post on here for awhile because it seems like the site is going through some trouble with rules. And I would rather not get banned and miss the events posted up, because I cant keep reading and remembering rules for a forum lol.

But once this is all figured out I will start posting alot more. Any squads that can make it up to battlefront every sunday, or live near warren send me a private message I NEED A SQUAD.

Also you can never have too many airsoft buddies, PM me if you want to play backyard or otherwise :-)

And sorry to who runs the site if I seem offensive, I just mean I am at fault and just covering myself, not the site or the people here.

Talk to you guys soon!
__________________



Fight until you die and drop. A force like ours is hard to stop. Close your mind to stress and pain, fight 'til you're no longer sane.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-06-2008, 12:09 PM
Vader's Avatar
Vader Vader is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Delaware, OH
Posts: 232
Blog Entries: 2
Vader is a Private
iTrader: (4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red View Post
This isn't an FPS. You can't win by yourself.

In my experience, this is where I've seen a lot of newbies go wrong. So many want to be Rambo, and take on the entire opposing side by themselves...they don't realize the importance of working together as a team.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Texx's Avatar
Texx Texx is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 4,109
Blog Entries: 2
Texx is a SpecialistTexx is a SpecialistTexx is a Specialist
Send a message via AIM to Texx Send a message via Yahoo to Texx
iTrader: (21)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Browncoat View Post
In my experience, this is where I've seen a lot of newbies go wrong. So many want to be Rambo, and take on the entire opposing side by themselves...they don't realize the importance of working together as a team.
In my experience, people who fail trying to go it on their own don't have enough of a grasp of fundamental soldiering and fieldcraft to take advantage of the fact that a single person can make a difference even against a larger group.

Working with a team doesn't always mean you are in the group. Sometimes it means you are half way across the field radioing intel back.

When I attack a larger force, it usually is an ambush that completely throws off their groups mentality. When they try to surround, they quckly find that I am retreating from their advance and that by the time they have left cover, they are fighting a determined individual with numerous high capacity magazines.

When I pull them out in the open, they very quickly realize that keeping me pinned to allow their guys to move around takes much more coordination and that the almost endless supply of ammunition I am pushing right back at them is keeping them off guard.

At about the time that they have given their position away and are pouring their ammo into a target they can hardly even see, let alone shoot, they come to realize they are away from cover and the team I have been radioing the entire time is now coming into range to counterattack their explosed flanks.

That is when my team rolls right over the top of them with little to no resistance.

So yeah, playing with a team can do very well. But underestimating that one player is a fundamental mistake that has allowed me to take out entire squads, single handedly stop a push, and strike fear into the hearts of noobs.

Well, that and throwing pyro.
__________________
...The universe is a big place. We can't be alone on this tiny blue planet - its own solar system surrounded by billions of solar systems, in a galaxy surrounded by a billion galaxies, infinite combinations of matter and energy with infinite possibilities, and they picked Ben Affleck to play Batman...
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-06-2008, 12:32 PM
Vader's Avatar
Vader Vader is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Delaware, OH
Posts: 232
Blog Entries: 2
Vader is a Private
iTrader: (4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texx View Post
In my experience, people who fail trying to go it on their own don't have enough of a grasp of fundamental soldiering and fieldcraft to take advantage of the fact that a single person can make a difference even against a larger group.

That (in bold) being the key difference between being the "lone wolf" type who utilizes tactics to his advantage, and the player who is just winging it. I agree completely, Texx...being part of the team doesn't necessarily mean that you're part of a group, but part of the bigger picture.

Anyone who has a firm grasp of fire and movement and shoot-and-scoot tactics can certainly turn the tides in his team's favor. Unprepared units almost always fall for the bait of the "easy kill" as the seasoned player draws them closer to their ultimate demise as the lone wolf's teammates close in on their flanks. Excellent point!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Ozzsclan Ozzsclan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 349
Ozzsclan is a Recruit Private
Send a message via Yahoo to Ozzsclan
iTrader: (7)
Agrees with the post Red Did,in the real thing once the real bang bang start not to much need to be quite ...well to a point but shot move comunicate and for friggin hells sake cover your buddy last game when i was yelling not one ...single person steped up to take charge.

If you do find your self alone and respawned new players or un sure players look " lost" dont be afriad grab what god gave you or didnt give you ( thank you to the girl who finaly did take the group in one game) and lead them, right or wrong dont sit on yer bum and do nothing about it.

Indian steping was one of the first things in sniper school i learned along with other teqniques on movement ect ect any who great post Red
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-07-2008, 10:37 AM
Son of Liberty's Avatar
Son of Liberty Son of Liberty is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: CinciNasty
Posts: 1,895
Blog Entries: 13
Son of Liberty is a Private First Class
Send a message via AIM to Son of Liberty Send a message via Yahoo to Son of Liberty
iTrader: (12)
Scorpion offered to teach me Hand to hand combat and I only ended up getting hurt so if that guy offers to train you Id recommend filling out a last will and testament ahead of time.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Teddy View Post
It's true, i mean we are all thinking it. SoL is a sexy man beast. I'd hit that.
Warning: My vagina is big enough to swallow your self-esteem. Read my comments with caution.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-07-2008, 11:19 AM
airsoft31's Avatar
airsoft31 airsoft31 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 330
airsoft31 is a Recruit Private
Send a message via AIM to airsoft31
iTrader: (0)
for me i just practis by going around my house and clearing all rooms. it is a lot of fun and good practis. i also do it at night with a flashlight because i think that it simulates conquest, besides the different layout
__________________
http://www.prizerebel.com/index.php?r=828531

please go here and make a profile, you get free games i have already goten a free month of live!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-07-2008, 07:49 PM
Arcane's Avatar
Arcane Arcane is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Valley of the Sun, Arizona
Posts: 232
Arcane is a Private
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
But there is one aspect of "combat" that you have to master over all the others. And that is the fear of being "shot".
I totally agree. It made a big difference for me. In fact, I have the opposite problem now... In my experience, airsoft is all about violence of action, and you just aren't as effective at "throwing it out there" if you are too concerned about getting hit. You have to be smart about it and do what you can to stay alive, but the best way to survive a firefight is to overwhelm your opponent, and take enemies as a team.
__________________
Honor First!

oderint dum metuant
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-07-2008, 08:11 PM
Scorpion's Avatar
Scorpion Scorpion is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: ::
Posts: 878
Blog Entries: 1
Scorpion is a Private First Class
iTrader: (19)
Oh now Son it wasn't that bad. You had fun at least, and I promise next time we practice you can throw me

And Triarius it's amazing you're the only guy who picked up on that and quoted it. It's a shame really more players don't understand that is all airsoft really is. Overcoming that fear and then turning it on your opponents. There's just nothing more to it than that.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-07-2008, 10:18 PM
D-Boy's Avatar
D-Boy D-Boy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cincinnati Ohio
Posts: 789
D-Boy is a Private
Send a message via AIM to D-Boy
iTrader: (1)
Until your back shatters Aaron...I can't wait to learn MCMAP....damn how long I have to wait.
I believe that training is essential to airsoft. That is if you really care about being the most efficient. Training is important and finding like minded people to train with is paramount. Learning how to maneuver and proper tactics does not take much except the dedication. Its like PT, the only thing PT needs is complete dedication. The weekend warrior will always stay the same and the team that puts effort into training will always have the advantage.

Jack
__________________
We consider this our duty- to defend humanity against the scourge of intolerance, violence, and fanaticism. Ahmed Shah Massoud

Capitalism: God's way of determining who is smart and who is poor. Ron Swanson
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Upcoming event: Real Training event? Blade General Discussion 30 06-02-2008 11:33 AM
Combat Training Rtviper Airsoft Advancement and Scenario Discussion 9 03-10-2007 12:59 PM
Airsoft in force-on-force training: River Rats Triple F General Discussion 9 03-06-2007 01:12 PM
MAP Infantry training camps Monty Upcoming Airsoft Events 0 10-06-2005 12:06 PM
Rope Training.... Who would be interested?? Master Merc General Discussion 19 04-11-2004 02:19 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:01 AM.


Airsoft Guns, Tactical Gear, Military Gear, Ohio Airsoft Retailer

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2005 - 2009 Airsoft Ohio