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lube question

I have a KWA/KSC M9 full metal/PTP. I am also planing on getting a WE M4 gbb. My question is:

Can you use the kind of oil you use on real guns?

I mean, on my pistol, where the metal slide slides on the metal lower reciever, is it okay to use military grade oil that is used on real guns?

And on the WE gbb, the buffer, buffer spring, and bolt carrier it would make perfect sense to use real oil on those. As for O rings and things, I don't know if it would work.

Please set me straight on why we use silicon if none of the above works.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:11 PM
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Most regular gun oils will eat O-Rings.
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:27 PM
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No you cannot use gun oil on airsoft guns.

If you go to a Restaurant supply store, food grade silicone oil - probably the cheapest you would be able to find it. It's used to preserve the rubber gaskets on refrigerators and walk-in freezers. It can also be used to lubricate hinges. Since it is "food grade" it does not contain petroleum distillates so will be safe for use on airsoft.
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What I am trying to get at is WHY.
I know about silicon. I use it already. I want to know WHY it is used.
Also, I am aiming at the parts of gbbs that are metal on metal.
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Silicone has no corrosive elements in it. Therefore, 100% silicone oil lubricant is the safest, most common lubricant for our airsoft guns. Don't use anything else unless you know for a fact it is non-corrosive and will not damage any rubber parts such as O-Rings
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not that I'm a lube expert but I find it hilarious that every response on here is just spouting the same exact sentence. Answer him, I know I have used real gun oil for metal on metal, but sparingly and with no chance for it to touch electronics or rubber.
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THANK YOU schmikah. That is exactly the kind of response I am looking for.

(this is specifically for gas blow backs...they usually don't contain any electronics)

Now that there is an expert here (see below) this was still helpful. it is coming from experience (i think)

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I know I have used real gun oil for metal on metal, but sparingly and with no chance for it to touch electronics or rubber.
Pointer: Don't use gun oil on regular guns. As much as you try to keep it away from parts that could be damaged by it, you won't keep it off entirely. It is a bad assumption that just because you don't aim at the parts that could be damaged, doesn't mean they will be damaged. It has been said in this thread before, and time and time again on the forums.

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not that I'm a lube expert but I find it hilarious that every response on here is just spouting the same exact sentence. Answer him
What? We answered every question he had...


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Can you use the kind of oil you use on real guns?
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No you cannot use gun oil on airsoft guns.

If you go to a Restaurant supply store, food grade silicone oil - probably the cheapest you would be able to find it. It's used to preserve the rubber gaskets on refrigerators and walk-in freezers. It can also be used to lubricate hinges. Since it is "food grade" it does not contain petroleum distillates so will be safe for use on airsoft.
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Most regular gun oils will eat O-Rings.
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What I am trying to get at is WHY.
I know about silicon. I use it already. I want to know WHY it is used.
Also, I am aiming at the parts of gbbs that are metal on metal.
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Silicone has no corrosive elements in it. Therefore, 100% silicone oil lubricant is the safest, most common lubricant for our airsoft guns. Don't use anything else unless you know for a fact it is non-corrosive and will not damage any rubber parts such as O-Rings
Everyone answered his questions and gave him information. Next time, try not to sound so high and mighty. It makes you look like a douche.
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not that I'm a lube expert but I find it hilarious that every response on here is just spouting the same exact sentence. Answer him, I know I have used real gun oil for metal on metal, but sparingly and with no chance for it to touch electronics or rubber.
Not that Red already didn't show you where you were wrong, I am going to continue to do so.

I am in the process of getting my STLE-CLS Certification, actually. In normal human terms, I will be a certified lubricant engineer. So since you are not an expert on lubricants and I am - I will tell you why, you should not use gun oil, on cheapo airsoft guns. (I have oh.. 24 years of experience in the industry as well.)

So, the question of questions: Why shouldn't you use a gun oil on an airsoft gun?

The answer:

The technical specs of every quote, "Gun Oil" out there are about the same with a few wear guard components. In rem oil you find Teflon since it's made by DuPont. In others you will find V.I. improver or bright stocks to make it thicker and give it the 'tacy' feeling to it. And in the cheapest of them, you will find polymer based additives that thicken the mixture. However, breaking down "Gun oil" the base ingredients start the same, a solvent.

Most of these solvents too, are very basic ones - part of a Group 1 base oil, normally out of the asphaltic part of the base oil, or out of heavy crude. What does this mean? Again, they're basic, not picky, simplistic, will eat about anything. Including cheap metals, paints, etc. These solvents are nothing more then ultra-refined Kerosene, long and short. They're the same base layer of crude, they're the same finishing process and everything else.

What else comes from this same layer of crude?

Jet fuel
Aviation Fuel (high octane)
Nail Polish remover
Paint thinner
Wood polish

Now, with the addition of a tacy solution into this solvent - it allows the solvent to bond. All WD40 is, in reality - Kerosene in a spray bottle and some dye.

Why gun oils work... on guns? It's pretty simple. The finish on a gun is normally one of three types:
Stainless
Blued
Parkerizing and then coated with something. (I.e. Glock's tenifer finish.)

All these types of metals or metal coatings are resistant to solvent. In some cases the solvent may even improve the finish on the gun. Additionally, the parts that need 'lubricated' are worn down and/or dirt eaten away from them. I.e. Slides, pumps, etc. This goes the same for bolts and every other part of a fire arm. These solvents will eat carbon away, or polymers if you shoot coated ammunition. What they also do, with the addition of a V.I. improver or tacy solution, is stick to the surface for a longer period of time, thus protecting the surface.

So what does that mean? You'll have solvent cooking off on a firearm for weeks, if not longer. If you've never read into it alot, solvents are a pretty nasty thing. Solvent fumes will even get into the primer of a round and dissolve the chemicals inside of it, making rounds become duds.


Now to the airsoft application of it:

Okay, so you're putting it on a 'metal'. Well, most of the time in airsoft it's a cheaper metal. Above that, it's a painted surface. It's not parkerized, stainless, etc. It's a cheap, painted metal, end of story. So solvents in the end, will take off the paint of a gun, dissolve the rubber of seals even if you haven't put it on them. (See Fumes) and generally cause havoc on the inside of an airsoft gun even though you're just quote "putting it on the metal."

Now this, is truly why you should not use a gun oil. Do I need to break it down even more of why you should not?

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YAY an experts reason. thank you very much fox. That is exactly what I want. A huge explanation of why NOT to use it. I was just wondering because (from above) I am going to get a WE m4 gbb and before this thread, to me, it would make sense to use mil spec gun oil on the buffer and bolt carrier. NOT ANY MORE.

once again thank you fox.

this thread can now slowly die...all my questions have been answered
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Hey arsftarmy, I've been using this grease less spray... It's actually a lubricant and cleaner. It's called safari charlie gun lube, have any of you used it yet? it has some pretty good reviews:
http://www.superslickstuff.com/lubri...-Gun-Lube.html
Just pointing out a good spray alternative in case you are interested.
Cheers...
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