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Old 09-18-2007, 09:51 PM
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fighting laws

okay, this kid wants to fight me for some reason, and for one thing i really dont want to get a mark on my record. so i was wondering if anyone knows what the law says about fights between two teenagers. please dont neg rep me, i mean for this to be a legit question
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i know, i mean i want to walk away, not cuz im scared or anything, but he has this weird disease that makes him really, bony and not able to gain muscle mass, (not anorexia or belimia), i seriously dont want to hurt him
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The same laws apply to teenagers as they do adults. I think the difference lies in how they are sentenced and punished for a crime. Depending on the severity of the crime, in some states you can be tried as an adult. Say for instance, you knock the kid down in a fight and he hits his head wrong on the curb and dies. You could be tried as an adult for manslaughter.

Now as a kid you want to save face and pound the crap out of the dude. Reality is, in a few years, that kid will be nothing in your life. It's not worth it. I would say avoid the conflict and the law. If he attacks you, you have a right to defend yourself. If this happens at school, report him. with stricter tolerances torward violence in schools he may end up out on his butt and out of your hair. Fists are you last option. Be smart about it. In ten years nobody is going to care that you backed out of a "playground fight".
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agreed, only fight if he attacks you, then you have the right to defend yourself. No need to go start a fight if it can be avoided.
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sniper1, if you start your analysis by saying "you don't want to hurt him", be very cautious because he might be the one hurting you BAD. I saw it happened before...don't under estimate your enemy.

Now, I would follow Evil Head post and simply report the kid rather than getting involved. With kids these days, you NEVER know how the battle will end. Be smart and avoid any conflicts....atleast until you truly have to defend your wife and kids later in life
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I'd like to throw in my bit of advice...just something I've heard..not really sure if it is true.

When I was a wee bit younger...around 1990-1991...I had a friend that got into a fight with another kid at our bus stop. The two guys used to be good friends but I guess something happened and after school, they both stepped off the bus abd beagn pushing each other...one guy was really pushing for a fight while the other backed away, then all of a sudden, the guy reluctant to fight grabbed his friend by the hair and began to knee him in the face...after several knees to the face, the guy fell unconcious and with his limp body too heavy to support, he began to pound his head into the ground....until some of their other friends split them up and took the guys limp body to his house. Shortly after that, the guy who was reluctant to fight, but ended doing the &$$-kicking stopped showing up for school (and this is where it gets weird) and supposedly was sued by the other boys parents for assault and damages, surgeries, ect. Even though they were both minors, THEIR parents where still held accountable for their kids' actions. I dont know if any of the lawsuits are true or if they were kicked out of school (it appeared that the fight had actually started in during lunch), but I never saw either kid again.

I dont know what sort of laws are in effect here since I've only lived in Ohio for 6 months, but Iknow that if someone CAN sue..they will. Your parents may be the ones to pay the cost of your fued with this other kid. It's best, as most seasoned men will tell you, to be the bigger man and walk away...

I also am pretty sure you can spend some stime in Juvinile prisons..plus community service and such...I had a friend spend 100 hours cleaning filth from a public park for fighting in a mall.
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I agree with all who have posted.

If you DO happen to get into a fight and NEED to defend yourself, never hit them while they're down. DO NOT keep the fight going. If they attack you and you happen to whip their *** with one shot, don't hit them again! You do not want to end up like the kid in that fight in Trooper's post. If they come back for more or actually threaten your life, do what you need to, to defend yourself.

Seriously....Just back down. I've backed down from several fights, and have been glad each time. I don't care if I could have shown their *** the door, I don't want to get in trouble and I'm sure you don't either.

My brother has always taught me these two things about fighting:

1. Never throw the first punch

2. Never hit them while they're down
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well you said hes bony from a disease right? to me he doesn't sound like much of a threat. but yeah , only do something if HE throws the first punch.
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sniper1, if you start your analysis by saying "you don't want to hurt him", be very cautious because he might be the one hurting you BAD. I saw it happened before...don't under estimate your enemy.

Now, I would follow Evil Head post and simply report the kid rather than getting involved. With kids these days, you NEVER know how the battle will end. Be smart and avoid any conflicts....atleast until you truly have to defend your wife and kids later in life
i am trying not to, its hard because this kid like i said, just the way his body is built. him and i used to be friends, so i know he has never played a sport in his life, nor does he take karate, or some martial art. him and i dont go to school together, i go to a private school while he goes to milford. so he wants to show up at my house and fight
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You started the post off by asking for the laws, well here they are:

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ORC 2903.13 Assault.

(A) No person shall knowingly cause or attempt to cause physical harm to another or to another’s unborn.

(B) No person shall recklessly cause serious physical harm to another or to another’s unborn.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of assault. Except as otherwise provided in division (C)(1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of this section, assault is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the offense is committed by a caretaker against a functionally impaired person under the caretaker’s care, assault is a felony of the fourth degree. If the offense is committed by a caretaker against a functionally impaired person under the caretaker’s care, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section or section 2903.11 or 2903.16 of the Revised Code, and if in relation to the previous conviction the offender was a caretaker and the victim was a functionally impaired person under the offender’s care, assault is a felony of the third degree.

(2) If the offense is committed in any of the following circumstances, assault is a felony of the fifth degree:

(a) The offense occurs in or on the grounds of a state correctional institution or an institution of the department of youth services, the victim of the offense is an employee of the department of rehabilitation and correction, the department of youth services, or a probation department or is on the premises of the particular institution for business purposes or as a visitor, and the offense is committed by a person incarcerated in the state correctional institution, by a person institutionalized in the department of youth services institution pursuant to a commitment to the department of youth services, by a parolee, by an offender under transitional control, under a community control sanction, or on an escorted visit, by a person under post-release control, or by an offender under any other type of supervision by a government agency.

(b) The offense occurs in or on the grounds of a local correctional facility, the victim of the offense is an employee of the local correctional facility or a probation department or is on the premises of the facility for business purposes or as a visitor, and the offense is committed by a person who is under custody in the facility subsequent to the person’s arrest for any crime or delinquent act, subsequent to the person’s being charged with or convicted of any crime, or subsequent to the person’s being alleged to be or adjudicated a delinquent child.

(c) The offense occurs off the grounds of a state correctional institution and off the grounds of an institution of the department of youth services, the victim of the offense is an employee of the department of rehabilitation and correction, the department of youth services, or a probation department, the offense occurs during the employee’s official work hours and while the employee is engaged in official work responsibilities, and the offense is committed by a person incarcerated in a state correctional institution or institutionalized in the department of youth services who temporarily is outside of the institution for any purpose, by a parolee, by an offender under transitional control, under a community control sanction, or on an escorted visit, by a person under post-release control, or by an offender under any other type of supervision by a government agency.

(d) The offense occurs off the grounds of a local correctional facility, the victim of the offense is an employee of the local correctional facility or a probation department, the offense occurs during the employee’s official work hours and while the employee is engaged in official work responsibilities, and the offense is committed by a person who is under custody in the facility subsequent to the person’s arrest for any crime or delinquent act, subsequent to the person being charged with or convicted of any crime, or subsequent to the person being alleged to be or adjudicated a delinquent child and who temporarily is outside of the facility for any purpose or by a parolee, by an offender under transitional control, under a community control sanction, or on an escorted visit, by a person under post-release control, or by an offender under any other type of supervision by a government agency.

(e) The victim of the offense is a school teacher or administrator or a school bus operator, and the offense occurs in a school, on school premises, in a school building, on a school bus, or while the victim is outside of school premises or a school bus and is engaged in duties or official responsibilities associated with the victim’s employment or position as a school teacher or administrator or a school bus operator, including, but not limited to, driving, accompanying, or chaperoning students at or on class or field trips, athletic events, or other school extracurricular activities or functions outside of school premises.

(3) If the victim of the offense is a peace officer or an investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation, a firefighter, or a person performing emergency medical service, while in the performance of their official duties, assault is a felony of the fourth degree.

(4) If the victim of the offense is a peace officer or an investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation and if the victim suffered serious physical harm as a result of the commission of the offense, assault is a felony of the fourth degree, and the court, pursuant to division (F) of section 2929.13 of the Revised Code, shall impose as a mandatory prison term one of the prison terms prescribed for a felony of the fourth degree that is at least twelve months in duration.

(5) If the victim of the offense is an officer or employee of a public children services agency or a private child placing agency and the offense relates to the officer’s or employee’s performance or anticipated performance of official responsibilities or duties, assault is either a felony of the fifth degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to an offense of violence, the victim of that prior offense was an officer or employee of a public children services agency or private child placing agency, and that prior offense related to the officer’s or employee’s performance or anticipated performance of official responsibilities or duties, a felony of the fourth degree.

(D) As used in this section:

(1) “Peace officer” has the same meaning as in section 2935.01 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Firefighter” has the same meaning as in section 3937.41 of the Revised Code.

(3) “Emergency medical service” has the same meaning as in section 4765.01 of the Revised Code.

(4) “Local correctional facility” means a county, multicounty, municipal, municipal-county, or multicounty-municipal jail or workhouse, a minimum security jail established under section 341.23 or 753.21 of the Revised Code, or another county, multicounty, municipal, municipal-county, or multicounty-municipal facility used for the custody of persons arrested for any crime or delinquent act, persons charged with or convicted of any crime, or persons alleged to be or adjudicated a delinquent child.

(5) “Employee of a local correctional facility” means a person who is an employee of the political subdivision or of one or more of the affiliated political subdivisions that operates the local correctional facility and who operates or assists in the operation of the facility.

(6) “School teacher or administrator” means either of the following:

(a) A person who is employed in the public schools of the state under a contract described in section 3319.08 of the Revised Code in a position in which the person is required to have a certificate issued pursuant to sections 3319.22 to 3319.311 of the Revised Code.

(b) A person who is employed by a nonpublic school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code and who is certificated in accordance with section 3301.071 of the Revised Code.

(7) “Community control sanction” has the same meaning as in section 2929.01 of the Revised Code.

(8) “Escorted visit” means an escorted visit granted under section 2967.27 of the Revised Code.

(9) “Post-release control” and “transitional control” have the same meanings as in section 2967.01 of the Revised Code.

(10) “Investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation” has the same meaning as in section 2903.11 of the Revised Code.

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ORC 2903.12 Aggravated assault.

(A) No person, while under the influence of sudden passion or in a sudden fit of rage, either of which is brought on by serious provocation occasioned by the victim that is reasonably sufficient to incite the person into using deadly force, shall knowingly:

(1) Cause serious physical harm to another or to another’s unborn;

(2) Cause or attempt to cause physical harm to another or to another’s unborn by means of a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance, as defined in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated assault, a felony of the fourth degree. If the victim of the offense is a peace officer or an investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation, aggravated assault is a felony of the third degree. If the victim of the offense is a peace officer or an investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation, and if the victim suffered serious physical harm as a result of the commission of the offense, aggravated assault is a felony of the third degree, and the court, pursuant to division (F) of section 2929.13 of the Revised Code, shall impose as a mandatory prison term one of the prison terms prescribed for a felony of the third degree.

(C) As used in this section:

(1) “Investigator of the bureau of criminal identification and investigation” has the same meaning as in section 2903.11 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Peace officer” has the same meaning as in section 2935.01 of the Revised Code.
oh and about parents suing parents

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Ohio law provides that you may file a civil action
to recover compensatory damages not exceed-
ing $10,000 and court costs from the juvenile’s
parents if you are the victim of a malicious and
willful assault by a juvenile who is found to be
delinquent. (Ohio Revised Code § 3109.10)
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Man times have changed alot since when I was a teenager. The only thing you had to worry about back then was a broken nose not lawsuits, jail ect.. The members here have given great advice. My advice is similar to Blade's, fighting is a last option but if that is your only option, you better do it right. If someone shoves you or lays their hands on you, well I think you know what to do. Also though like others have said, in ten years, nobody will remember what happened.
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What happens/happened at my school was the kids in a fight had to do about 2 hours of community service and go see a judge after hours at the fire station and see what the problem was and what all happened. If this is the kid that has parents that would likley sue video tape it if he comes to your house and hits you and remember that you are being taped.
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him and i dont go to school together, i go to a private school while he goes to milford. so he wants to show up at my house and fight
If he shows up at your home and is wanting to fight you, you need to call the police asap. At least if you can get a police report filed on the problem and something happens later where you two DO fight, you can go back to the old police report to show that you tried to do something to stop it. Worse case scenario, file for a restraining order.

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Do not fight, it is not worth it. I got in a few fights in my younger age and was very lucky to not have any schools or crazy parents coming to file charges after me. Today in our "I'll see you in court!" society, it is much better just to back down.

Also, while the Code that Sims put up is helpful, it does seem that you 2 are minors. That code can be changed for the worse or the better at your age. Either way just walk away, it isnt worth it. I've seen underage kids charged $1,000's in damages just because "antagonist A" who messed with "minding his own business B" ended up getting his arse kicked, and his Dad figured he'd help his son win with a court battle. Parents these days...

P.S. As someone said, never underestimate your enemy, I once saw a 17 year old 270 lb. line backer get his arse destroyed by a 15 year old 150 lb. chess club member, who had NO type of defense training. It's not just about skill, it's also about will.
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If he wants to show up to your house and fight, you should invite him over and have him meet your parents. Tell them he is a very good friend and that he and you are trying to work through a problem. Show him your room, let him play with your dog. Show him a good time in your company and that your not such a bad guy after all and that you are both capable of working out your personal problems without resorting to violence.

Finally, offer to show him the game room in the basement. When he starts down the stairs, hit him in the head with a baseball bat and push him down the stairs. Accidents happen, especially amongst friends, and its possible he didn't see that sock on the step that caused him to slip and fall. But you got the last laugh and now he'll have to pick on people who get in his way on the school's wheelchair ramp.

'nuff said.

PS: You might want to ignore that last part...
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Nnnnnnnoooo. Just an opinion, and we all know what they are like, but I wouldn't recommend airsoft as a grudge settler. As a way to promote camaraderie and sportsmanship, sure. But not to settle a p ssing match.
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there has been many times where i have chosen to walk away from a guy who wanted to fight me. there was even a time when this kid pushed me into a locker and yelled in my face trying to get me to swing first. still i chose to walk away. i was looked at by many people as a wuss for a long time, but i didn't care. as evil head said, i knew in a few years no one would remember or even care. it is truly not worth getting into a fight at school, i have seen plenty of them, and it never ends up very good for either side. if he starts something, as red said, do the least amount of damage you can, if you must defend yourself. if he starts it, you don't really need to finish it by kicking his arse.
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Thanks Texx! You made me laugh for once today!

Seriously, think of what it is that you plan to do in the future because your actions today may affect where you end up later!
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I've got a cousin who works as a C.O. down there in Lebanon, maybe see if the kid wants a tour of what life will turn out to be if he keeps that act up.
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well, mods, u can go ahead and close this, turns out there is no fight. his girlfriend is being a total b****. she likes me, and wanted me to beat the crap out of him. wow, next new thread: "Why do girls do what they do?"
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"Why do girls do what they do?"

I'm sure we will understand the nature of the universe before that question gets answered.
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"why do girls do what they do"

Because they have like 20 excuses that they can use. PMS, pregnency one of thier other boyfriends dumped them.....
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