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Learn to Let Go: How Success Killed Duke Nukem

For those of you that are Duke fans and didn't hear the full story check out the link below.

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Broussard simply couldn’t tolerate the idea of Duke Nukem Forever coming out with anything other than the latest and greatest technology and awe-inspiring gameplay. He didn’t just want it to be good. It had to surpass every other game that had ever existed, the same way the original Duke Nukem 3D had.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_duke_nukem/
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:42 AM
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:45 AM
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Well George blew it. He could of released DNF back in 2001 made money and carried on to a new title.
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I refuse to believe that the whole Duke Nukem project as a whole could not make a game that was better than every game of our time.

Besides the traditional platform shooters that we have today (Call of Duty, Halo, etc.) what competition would Duke have? Now I'm not saying Duke couldn't be better than the other platform shooters, however it's the great sense of humor and the style of the gameplay for the original Duke Nukem that made me love it.

The series has made an impact on the video gaming industry so much so that most of the games we have now wouldn't be here. That's why I think it's BS that the DN team couldn't put together a game that has that humor, fun game play and a sense of nostalgia that would accompany a game like this. If a new Duke Nukem game can't beat the Call of Duty series nothing is going to be able to.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:26 PM
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If 3DRealms created a epic campaign with replay value and a multiplayer that's just as fun as Duke3D, we'd have a COD/HALO killer.
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If 3DRealms created a epic campaign with replay value and a multiplayer that's just as fun as Duke3D, we'd have a COD/HALO killer.
I think game-killers are pretty much nonexistant.

MW2 still has people playing the first one, people still play the Halo 2, etc. etc. True, you can get more copies out and sold if it's a better game, but no matter what you do, if a game is rooted deeply in it's community it won't shift from being a juggernaut of sales based proportions. Take for example World of Warcraft. Two games now (Three if you count LotRO) Age of Conan and Aion have tried to pull subscribers away from WoW. Oddly enough neither held their subscribers from WoW purely because people didn't want to work hard on a whole new game when they were already far into WoW.

Now, I don't know about you, but I still break out my N64 and play Goldeneye. And that's saying a lot about how new games will never destroy player bases from truly great games.
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I still play Duke3D lol. But you're right some games can't be killed (Replaced?). You're one of the few I come across that still engages in the classics or hell even know about them. It's sad we have to live in the past.
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Now, I don't know about you, but I still break out my N64 and play Goldeneye. And that's saying a lot about how new games will never destroy player bases from truly great games.
I do to, as that was when I got my first real major game system. (My brothers and I shared a Super Nintendo). Regardless, my point is, The reason Duke Nukem would take fans away from those series is it is a different game. Why was CoD4 so wildly successful? Did it do anything to the FPS formula that other first person shooters didn't do? No. It did all of those and added a lot more to the entire idea of modern FPS's.

Now does this constitute a "game killer". Probably not. You cannot kill a good idea. However, you can attract an entire new generation of Duke Nukem fans AND make a fantastic game that is original (relatively) and still loyal to the series roots.
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I see "gamer-killers" as groups that take a huge chunk of a fan market and then some. ex WoW vs EverQuest. Half-Life vs Quake.
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LoL, I have an old PC Gamer magazine with DNF on the cover stating "Coming this Christmas"!!! Even back then we were saying "Yea right". I bet some guy back in '99 $100 bucks that it would never come out. I'll have to track him down and collect. haha.
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It is always a shame when you see a franchise that you grew up with die...

When it comes to classic gaming... I am all for new stuff, nice new shiny consoles and games ( makes me smile thinking about it ). But, within sight I have a SNES, N64, Genesis, and PS2 sitting along side my 360 and PS3. In the closet I have a Dreamcast and an Atari 2600. I still have the Fallout series and StarCraft installed on one of the notebooks I have. Once you love a game, you love it forever.
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It is always a shame when you see a franchise that you grew up with die...

When it comes to classic gaming... I am all for new stuff, nice new shiny consoles and games ( makes me smile thinking about it ). But, within sight I have a SNES, N64, Genesis, and PS2 sitting along side my 360 and PS3. In the closet I have a Dreamcast and an Atari 2600. I still have the Fallout series and StarCraft installed on one of the notebooks I have. Once you love a game, you love it forever.

For reals? You have Starcraft. I have the fondest memories of that game. That and Diablo II. Man, Blizzard has made some fine games. I mean WoW is what people are going for now but people fail to look at DII and see the roots of Blizzard.

I never played the original Fallout series, although I've heard it was good. May be something I have to emulate.
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If you love RTS games, StarCraft is one of those required reading kind of games. Still fun even today. The original Fallout series was great, it is a little rough by today's standards, but you really fell in love with your Vault dweller by the end of the game, and it mattered when something happened to him.

People quickly forget old games when new stuff comes out. I keep all of my old games, I like the nostalgia I guess... I remember playing Duke Nukem 3D along side Doom back when they were released, I was one of those lucky kids who could talk their parents into letting me play the violent stuff. The first time I saw a virtual strip club I died laughing it was so great. I just reiterate my point, once you love a game, it doesn't matter how old it gets, you play it even after you trigger finger goes numb...
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....hmmm, reminding me King Quest, Space quest and Leisure suite Larry here....
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....hmmm, reminding me King Quest, Space quest and Leisure suite Larry here....
Ah, Sword of Fargoal, for the C64...
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For those who want to play Duke3D.
http://hrp.duke4.net/
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Kind of surprised how many people are into classic games around here. Glad to know I'm not the only nerd.
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