View Full Version : Question for all: Desert Eagle, Good sidearm? Or Overrated?
oblivion
10-20-2005, 11:35 AM
Is the desert eagle an efficient sidearm ar is it some figment of an imagination of some crazy israeli? your opinion please...
Are we talking real life or airsoft?
Grease Man
10-20-2005, 12:41 PM
overrated. Way too big and bulky and not that much, if any, more powerful then most other GBB's.
dustin
10-20-2005, 12:45 PM
If you like the fact that you are carrying a small AEG basically (the size), then its a great gun because the accuracy that I have seen from these guns is nice. Good luck finding a holster, and being comfortable using it though. Other than that, the realism and practicality of this gun was only ment for a plinking/target pistol and was never ment for combat like hollywood seems to portray it, simply because the harsh recoil of the gun and the issues with the trigger.
Good:
Accurate, cheap, reliable
Bad:
Large and unergonomic, holsters are hard to get, not a gun usually seen in combat.
Dutton
10-20-2005, 03:56 PM
I personally like my Desert Eagle, its powerful and accurate, then downside to this gun is the size. But, if you think you would be comfortable carrying it, go for it, it's a great side arm. I carry mine in a drop down thigh holster, and it fits nice and snuggly inside, meaning there are holsters out there that can carry such a large side arm.
Cobalt-Blue
10-20-2005, 04:05 PM
I use the mk23, which is larger.
and it fits in a tacvests mag pouch, so having a heavy rig on one side is not neccesary. i've seen people use them, and liek any other airsoft gun, it's in how you use it.
oblivion
10-20-2005, 04:21 PM
actually, i do have a Desert Eagle, and it is very sexy in gun like manner. I love my deagle mainly because it is fully automatic, not something you normally see, I just wanted to hear your opinions and correct the wrong info, such as the mk23 being larger...sorry, but you sir are incorrect, the israeli arms magnum research desert eagle .50 ae pistol is the largest hand gun in the world that is production, not concept.
Kingmob3
10-20-2005, 04:24 PM
If you are going to buy a DE for use as a side arm consider the Digicon version.There guns are reliable, and powerfull(usually much more so than other guns).
CodnameSheep
10-20-2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Kingmob3
If you are going to buy a DE for use as a side arm consider the Digicon version.There guns are reliable, and powerfull(usually much more so than other guns).
Got a link to one of those by chance?
seraphina
10-20-2005, 08:15 PM
I love my desert eagle. The weight is the most appealing part, for me. It's rather realistic, or realistic enough. I did find a great holster for it in Cheaper Than Dirt. The tag on the holster just says UTG. It has velcro on the inside to make it bigger. It can be a belt holster or drop leg. I'm short, so drop leg is my choice. Plus I feel a little more Laura Croft.
I do have to say that I've used other sidearms that have more power, though the accuracy is wonderful. I do have a beef with the fact that it's tough to find extra mags.
Just wanted to correct some wrong info. This is way bigger...
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2500/2521.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/SW_500.htm
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/monster_1103/
Now that would make for a scary airsoft sidearm. It would have to shoot 10mm bbs or something.
seraphina
10-20-2005, 09:32 PM
if they make that for airsoft, i'll take one. and i want it all shiny, too. that would be a force to be reckoned with. it would have to have the kick the real one has, though, to make it perfect.
gotta love s&w.
They already do. Only thing is, it's only in matte black right now I beleive.
Give me a few and I'll dig the link up.
Edit: I beleive two companies make it, but I can only find the Tanaka one with out digging into some more japanese sites.
Heres the Tanaka. They, make it in Silver, as well as Matte Black I think.
http://www2t.biglobe.ne.jp/~ohige/tsuhan/tanaka/sw_m500_500mag_8_sl_gr_03.jpg
Most over seas sites carry them. I found it on WGC, I'm sure GnG and Redwolf, etc. all carry it.
theblackfox
10-21-2005, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by oblivion
actually, i do have a Desert Eagle, and it is very sexy in gun like manner. I love my deagle mainly because it is fully automatic, not something you normally see, I just wanted to hear your opinions and correct the wrong info, such as the mk23 being larger...sorry, but you sir are incorrect, the israeli arms magnum research desert eagle .50 ae pistol is the largest hand gun in the world that is production, not concept.
I belive he ment with the supressor on it's longer (12 inches) the MK 23 as far as I know is a real issue pistol to the US navy SEALs. I think anyway.
Kingmob3
10-21-2005, 10:16 AM
It is one of the avalable pistols.HOw it works from what I've gathered is that there is a list of Firearms and weapions that the unit armour has O.K.'ed for mission use.The other two pistols that I know of that are in use are the SIG228 and the 1911(modified).Most guys carry the SIG as it is 1)smaller, and 2) more relilable. I will find a link to the digicon DE when I get back from classes.
oblivion
10-21-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by THX
Just wanted to correct some wrong info. This is way bigger...
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2500/2521.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/SW_500.htm
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/monster_1103/
Now that would make for a scary airsoft sidearm. It would have to shoot 10mm bbs or something.
hey, I said pistol....thats a revolver buddy, thats totally differnt, and not as sexy. haaha
The statement x "is the largest hand gun in the world that is production, not concept." was incorrect. That S&W revolver is most definitely "larger" in almost every way, is a handgun, and is not just a concept. And thanks to Fox I now know its also an airsoft gun.
The statement x "is the largest hand gun in the world that is production, not concept." was incorrect. That S&W revolver is most definitely "larger" in almost every way, is a hangun, and is not a concept. And thanks to Fox I now know its also an airsoft gun.
oblivion
10-22-2005, 12:18 PM
okay, okay i admit i worded it wrong, what i meant to say was that the desert eagle .50 ae is the worlds largest pistol that is made today. not the worlds largest revolver. revolvers are cool and all, but lets just face it, who honestly has ever seen an airsoft rvolver used usefully on the field...the answer is no. the desert eagle is big, powerful and manly. not like a glock 26c which is the exact opposite, small little, and girly. i just appreciate the craftmanship and beauty of the deagle, not the stereotypes.
theblackfox
10-22-2005, 01:12 PM
Calling the glock 26c girly is a sterotype. More people around the world carry real steel glocks then they do Desert Eagles. Making them no less manly then your big *** hand cannon.
As well, Desert Eagles (Real, mind you) have had ALOT of issues in the past with slide and frame wear, especially in the .50 and .44 magnum calibers.
As well, if your talking about ballistic damage, for caliber wise, the .44 magnum as well as the .454 magnum, actually are more damaging then the .50 AE round. Then, there is a russian round thats a revolver round, which is something like 9.73x45mm And it puts the .50 AE round to shame.
Desert Eagles may look cool, but in real life they are nothing more then 'Hey, look at this.' type of gun. Not, exactly effective, especially when .50 AE rounds normally cost about a dollar each.
Compared to 9mm rounds, which are dirt cheap.
CAR15A2
10-22-2005, 05:49 PM
The desert eagle is not a practical weapon. No one uses it on the battlefield or for any police or SWAT type purpose. Its only reason for existing is to show off. That's ok if you want to show off at the range, or maybe even to hunt deer, but If you try to pull a desert eagle on someone they will empty their entire magazine of 9mm into your body before you can bring it to bear.
And Fox, if you really want to see a powerful handgun, check out the
45-70 single action revolvers on the market (production handgun, not a "concept" gun).
Agent Spencer
10-22-2005, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by oblivion
revolvers are cool and all, but lets just face it, who honestly has ever seen an airsoft rvolver used usefully on the field...the answer is no.
I think Raptor_Magnum_.50AE may disagree with that. Him and his Relvolver of Death. ;)
theblackfox
10-22-2005, 08:37 PM
OMFG .45-70 FTW
http://www.whd.nl/BFR_pers_2.jpg
look at the size of the round compared to a 7.62
[Edited by Necro: Please do not use images that stretch the forums. That's all :)]
necronomicon
10-22-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by oblivion
okay, okay i admit i worded it wrong, what i meant to say was that the desert eagle .50 ae is the worlds largest pistol that is made today. not the worlds largest revolver. revolvers are cool and all, but lets just face it, who honestly has ever seen an airsoft rvolver used usefully on the field...the answer is no. the desert eagle is big, powerful and manly. not like a glock 26c which is the exact opposite, small little, and girly. i just appreciate the craftmanship and beauty of the deagle, not the stereotypes.
Glock 26 = Girly? You haven't been shot by mine then. It will change the way you think of them :D
The Desert Eagle, from my experiences (KWC GBB), is a pretty solid sidearm. If the size doesn't bother you, its great. Sure, it might not be something issued in real life by an existing military, its just a sidearm. The KWC is a nice gun for the price, I enjoyed skirmishing with mine...one of the few times I have ever pulled a sidearm in a game. It may be impractical in real life...but this is airsoft, where guns are recoiless and in general much lighter. If you want to go the way of the hand cannon...it is not going to make much of a difference in terms of power or practicality...unless its simply too much for you to carry.
As far as why revolvers are not seen as much, that plays into a lot of factors. Most of them are going to be 8mm (If Marushin) and most likely take metal shells, which are a PAIN to reload under fire compared to something that takes a magazine. I know this from using a Maurshin Raging Bull..its just not practical without a speedloader. Not to mention you are at a disadvantage in terms of ammo capacity, so you will yet have to reload more often. A lot of rules on 8mm rounds still lay unwritten or in a gray area, so there will be places that will not allow you to use 8mm.
That narrows the choice down for a revolver considerably. The spring ones are underpowered and generally worthless for serious skirmishing, the 8mm metal shell models are a pain in ammo cost along with combat effectiveness taking a big hit due to the reload. The Tanaka S&W 500 Mag seems to be a nice choice for a big revolver. I wouldn't mind having one, but you wouldn't see me skirmishing with it.
Just my little rant. I don't use too much practicality in terms of selecting an airsoft sidearm as compared to a real handgun, since caliber and power don't mean jack when everything is 6mm for the most part. So, caliber benefits and consequences are out the window.
Oh, one more thing. Since this thread seems to be about big handguns, check this out: http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news/october05/as/first/nb1129_03.jpg
7 inch longslide...mmm :D
Kingmob3
10-22-2005, 11:34 PM
The person who was liiking for the Digicon DE here is a link:
http://redwolfairsoft.com
search digicon
KM3
Chapman
10-22-2005, 11:50 PM
I actually prefer my weapon to be small, compact and easy to wield. The Glock, Beretta, and .45 are all ideal weapons for me. I wouldn't want to be weighed down with such a large pistol. Besides pistols are for dishing out the pain if your out of ammo, need to have a free hand, or in a enclosed space you can't weild your rifle easily. I'd much rather have a light weights compact weapon like the Glock or Beretta. As far as the .45 well, the sheer power I mean come on. You know you want one!
Cobalt-Blue
10-23-2005, 06:46 AM
I wasn't counting my mk23 with suppressor, as the suppressor is not on it when it's in a pouch (too much potential for thread damage, plus now that i carry it in a mag pouch,no room)
The mk23 is in production, though it's marui's version which was the concept. They are available as mentioned before by armorer, but also in a civilian form for about 2300 minimum if you can find one.
Right down the street from my employer is insight technologies, the "true" maker of the current LAM unit which is actually used by US-SF and SOCOM on their mk23's, not the wilcox box thing used in video games.
Come on guys, let's not stray off topic with which side arm we think is the best. If you guys have relevent data regarding the use of the Desert Eagle - airsoft variants for use as a sidearm in airsoft, please comment. I would caution everyone who has not actually used the airsoft Desert Eagle to keep their comments to a minimum.
For future reference, and in the fine tradition of these forums, can we not assume that the question being pondered on an airsoft forums refers to an airsoft gun? All other off-topic discussion in this thread needs to end here.
If you guys want to discuss the merits of your individual choices for a sidearm, write a review, or, at the very least, create your own thread in the correct area of the forums.
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To the Thread-starter, this is much akin to the "Best Gun" - type scenario. The real question you should be asking is to yourself - "Can I make the Desert Eagle an effective sidearm for my own personal use."
That is to say, would it be possible to adapt your play style, loadout characteristics, and shooting patterns and profile to successfully incorporate a Desert Eagle as your chosen side arm, in an effective manner?
The reason I say this has more to do with you than anyone else is an airsoft gun is like a glove. You pick the color and stlye of glove you want. Then you have to find the glove that fits your hand comfortably. If you lose mobility or dexterity, then you limit what you can do with your gloves on.
With a sidearm, you have to find a gun that fits you style, your budget, and your ergonomic requirements. Then you can begin to adress performance aspects of your chosen design - either through upgrades or by finding a more powerful design in that form factor.
Can the Desert Eagle be deployed as an effective side arm? Yes. For a person who is comfortable with its size and weight and who is capable of using it to accurately engage targets as a secondary weapon.
For the record, any sidearm which allows the shooter to successfully engage targets as a secondary means of defense when you cannot use your primary is going to have the potential of being an effective choice.
How do you effectively deploy a secondary weapon? You find a means of carrying the weapon that will allow you to deploy it from a comfortable position and you practice.
You could ask 100 midgets (Vertically-Challenged, yet fully-capable Persons of Lesser Height) if a pair of Nike Classics in size 3 shoe was a comfortable shoe and have every single one of them whole-heartedly agree that it is. But if you wear a size 15, its not going to do you much good other than knowing 100 midgets have find their shoes comfortable.
And even if you did ask 100 Desert Eagle owners if their gun was a worthy choice and had them agree that it was, you could find that it is the very worst choice for you.
So, in closing, I would like to say, if you really want to find out if the Desert Eagle is going to be an effective sidearm, you can start by reading a review on the gun you are interested in. Ask for performance analysis on it from as many Desert Eagle owners. Then, when you get your gun, if its the right gun for you, work on making it an effective weapon.
A gun is a tool like any other. How you use it determines whether or not it will be an effective tool. If you want to make the Desert Eagle an effective sidearm, you have to make it be an effective sidearm. That can only be done if you put forth the time and efort to answer that question for yourself.
Good luck.
necronomicon
10-25-2005, 12:48 AM
Texx raises a good point, everyone's preferences and ergonomics are going to differ from one another. Many times have I bought a gun that I had not handled before, and ended up selling it because I didn't like the way it fit in my hand.
I found it best to handle the guns first hand at either an airsoft store, such as Airsoft Arms. If you don't live near them, a good hunting store or gun store, and just handle the guns and see which fits best with you. Fin Feather Fur in ashland is a great place to check out pistols, since their selection is so huge.
In the end, all that matters is that you are getting what you really want. Buying a gun is a lot like buying a new pair of shoes - you want to try them on first.
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