Safari Strike

[john]

SAFARI STRIKE

best one ever! Good to see you again alpha. Pinnacle really does take it to a new level.

Best part was feeling like we were really a part of aisoft ohio here in the NE (knee)

A big thanks to My RTO's best communication ever.

Thanks to TAC for putting pinnacle on the map.

And a special thanks for the southern airsofters and shops for supporting the knee.

Hey same teams next time

There is too much to say so i'll leave it to others to fill you in.

HNIC
JOHN

[Violator]

I had a great time at this event. The field was great and I thought TAC did an awesome job on the organizational side of things. I hope to get out to another one next year.

My only complaints were the usual few people who aren't mature enough to have airsoft guns. I saw Greaseman get blasted in the face from a range of about 3 feet by somebody who stuck their gun through a hole in a bunker wall and kept shooting, and I also witnessed D-Man and a medic on our team get wasted from behind by somebody who thought it was cool to come up and hose everybody at close range. Both those instances happened in a span of about 5 minutes, which is quite unfortunate. I guess 'mistakes' happen.

Aside from those two instances, I thought TAC and Nextmayor did a great job of enforcing rules and handling other disputes throughout the day. The use of vehicles was great, the radio discipline was good, and the scenario was awesome. I recommend that other people get out to the event next year. Great job guys, I'll cya next time.

[Grease Man]

I was little pissed about my face, but I got over it after a nice cool down time. I'm just glad my immediate reaction was to cover my face with my hands. I truly believed that saved my teeth, even though some of my fingers are now swollen.

However my biggest problem was trying to meet ladies at the bar. When they look at me with my bottom lip all swollen, and three giant welts on my face they ask either:
A- Where did you get that STD?
B- Thats some serious acne?
C- Whats wrong with you? (the blank stare is also a favorite)

All in all, I had a good time. Congrats to Tac, Dman and all the event sponsers for a job well done.

[Munin]

I had a lot of fun at this event, and aside from the typical grumbling about "that guy not calling hit hits," I *saw* no occurrences of it myself. In fact, I saw nothing but outstanding sportsmanship from the opposition all day. In our opening engagement, I got two or three solid hits on the enemy point-man - too bad it hit his butt-pack/hydration bladder (that's all that was sticking out from his effective use of cover :) ). After his teammate nailed me with a sweet through-the-brush head shot, I waited for a lull in the fighting, approached the guy, and let him know that he'd been hit earlier. At no time did I scream "call your hits!" or "you're a cheater!" I simply said that I'd hit his bladder and totally understood if he hadn't felt it or heard it over the firing. He instantly pulled out his red-rag and sat down, no question. Honesty and honor, hats off to you, man.

Violator, I think I'm the guy that hosed D-Man and the medic (and one other guy) at close range. Unfortunately, I didn't feel like I had too much choice - they were all standing at the two-story bunker, which is only like ten feet from the boundary line. I couldn't have gotten any farther away from them without being out of bounds (which one of my teammates inadvertantly did, which caused him to call himself out as a casualty once he figured it out).

When you come around a corner and there are three guys standing there, what do you do? You shoot them and hope you get them all before one of them gets off a shot. But after I opened up with my initial burst, there was no response from them. No yelling of hit, no arms raised, not even any flinches of pain. For a moment there I thought it was a repeat of my infamous and ill-fated "empty mag ambush" at Op: Urgent Cause. I actually fired again just to see if any bb's were coming out, because I knew if they were still alive that I was about to get royally hosed. I was so stunned that they showed no outward signs of being hit that I stood there like a dope saying "aren't you guys all dead?" long enough for their teammate across the clearing to shoot me in the neck (nice shot, whoever that was). Overfiring them was not my intent at all, and D-Man I'm really sorry if I lit you and your guys up. I honestly thought I was shooting blanks for a minute there.

The biggest problem I saw was one that was endemic to both sides (and one thet I tried to remind people of every time I saw it) - when you're hit, you're supposed to park your *** for 5 minutes, not hike immediately to your hospital/MASH unit. I have no problems with getting up and hightailing it out of the line of fire, but don't go far. Hell, I stayed put in the middle of a vicious firefight because I was afraid to stand up. Plus also the squad medic was using my body as cover. :( Now I know how Russian casualties on the Eastern Front felt!

Hats off to TAC for an outstanding event. The field posed some interesting challenges and the sheer amount of "raw material" that the Antoga team was supposed to haul around to accomplish our objectives was frightening. Great props, great control mechanisms (contacting the cookers, contacting the arms dealers, securing drop sites, etc), great special rules (US mobile MASH units), etc. All in all a lot of fun, and definitely worth the drive and the cost of admission. You guys just keep getting better and better.

[D_Man]

Munin:

Rest assured, that was not you Violator was refering to, you got us good fair and square. After which we got healed up by a medic (who was inside that little hut when you flanked us) and then about 5 mins later, someone with a G3SG1 came up to the other side of the hut, stuck his gun over the wall we were crouched behind, and lit us up from litteral point blank. Although, do to the no MED rules, he really wasn't at fault in any official way, a surrender could have been used. No harm, no foul for me though, he hit my headset which saved my ear some serious pain :eek:

Overall, I had a good time at the game. There was definatly a lot of action all day. The problem many were having as the day went on was the constant fighting in that same area around the lake and the Anatoga HQ. Pretty much all of the 7 hour game was fought there, and it got a little repetitive.

I give my hats off to the entire US team for putting up a good fight given our smaller size and commo breakdown mid-day. And also the Rebels for giving us one hell of a time ;)

Even though the rebels beat us in point value, the US forces still accomplished our primary objective to capture the terrorist leader :D

Just the same, congrats to the rebels for the win, and Munin for finally capturing me :p (I was hit and passed over by rebels several times earlier in the day).

[john]

yea i was there for that munin. I think it was the shock. I sat on your side of the fence dead. you hosed em good. LOL NOt one called hit or fired back then i saw ya flinch and go hit .. ahhh. Any way good one. I had warned them you were coming anyway.

JOHN

[Shifty]

Did the blind-firing point-blank guy look like this:

http://www.airsoftcleveland.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=40

You did say he had a G3/SG1, right?

[strikers_blade]

Loki, I got confirmation from few players and that would be him...sadly.

[john]

don't remember seeing you there blade.

HINC

[Munin]

No, the guy in the photo Loki posted was X-Ray, our team commander. Now that I know which incident you're referring to, I'm pretty sure that the guy that made the charge on the bunker was Maverick from the Michigan Airsoft Corps. I was nearby (and dead again, having gotten close to that bunker once again only to get hammered by the dudes inside before I could use my m203) and saw him run up and stick his gun over the edge, but I was far enough away that I didn't hear him fire it. I thought he surrendered the guys on the other side. I can't say for certain that it was him because I can't remember if he uses a G3 or a G36, but IIRC the guy who made the charge wasn't wearing a hat, and I never saw X-Ray without his boonie on all day.

[nambooseizzle]

Originally posted by Loki
Did the blind-firing point-blank guy look like this:

http://www.airsoftcleveland.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=40

You did say he had a G3/SG1, right?

lol, that picture is brilliant.

[Bookie Phi Si]

look really close at the picture, the guy does'nt even have his finger on the trigger and is talking on a radio( GEEZ). Also were any of these issues reported? if so there is really no need to discuss it anymore it's in Gods hands now:). Also i want to add that the only way these problems will be resolved is to report the issue on the spot so they can be dealt with accordingly by the organizers, I too am quilty of not reporting issues out of anger, but in order to fix these problems organizers must be alerted at once!! and the organizers have to step up and start giving people the BOOT!! 1 WARNING THEN THE 2ND TIME SEE YA!! coming to post and talking about it in this manner makes it more like a bunch of little kids telling on each other:rolleyes:

[john]

agreed. greaseman knew that ther weren't meds on some guns. And knows that surrenders are not mandatory. I also never saw greaseman complain or get upset that he was nailed in the mouth. Although it did look bad, greaseman took it like a pro!!! so props to him.

You are right that guy isn't shooting and he is talking on the radio. Doesn't matter anyway. Cause until we change the rules he did nothing out right wrong. Just dishonorable... which is relative to the person doing the dishonor.


Now back to talking about how sweet the event was.
HNIC

[Bookie Phi Si]

ok good now i can post:D the event ROCKED! TAC,great job!!! it was cool as ever though i only stayed till 3:30 the rest of C.E.L.L. as well had a blast. Also a special thanks to X-Ray you did a extremely great job of keeping your man poised and where they needed to beat all times. I thought the props we're great and the cooking of the product added even more realism to the scenario. I got me plenty of American scum though ("I was even saw later, wearing one of the beheaded American scumbags hat! that I took as a souvenir to show my antoga people they are safe with us and our elicit drug organization, We will bring plentiful things to our country of antoga and it's people.") i also would like to say, the guys at pinnacle have a really nice place to play for future events in the northern region and the people who staffed there were very nice also. Eric, Mite, Mayor and the rest of TAC awesome job, seriously awesome job! And last but not least my friend Car15 for getting me showered and to my wedding on time, thanks a bunch buddy:Dand Nancy:D

[strikers_blade]

HNIC,


Loki, I got confirmation from few players and that would be him...sadly..

If I confirmed what other told me and this is in fact innacurate, I apologize.

Back to topic now :D

[McAnderson]

want to give props to all those sponsors out there that gave donations to the raffle, and give kudos to Team Tac and Pinnacle woods for an awesome event. This was my first milsim showdown and all i have to say is three words...

Best event ever!!!

[nextmayor]

To put this completely to rest, I was right by D-Man when he got lit up. I can say as a fact IT WAS NOT XRAY THAT SHOT D-MAN. Not sure who it was. I explained that there were no MED's, but went on to further say that hosing and blind firing where not permitted. I was in the field almost all day taking pics and addressing small issues all day. I didn't see any repeat rule breaking from the people I corrected all day.

[john]

Blade,

I just meant that i thought i missed you at the event. I would have said hello.

HNIC

[Oscar]

Sorry for the late arrival in this discussion.

I was the one that ran up and fired a small burst hitting D-Man in the earpiece. As far as I knew there was only one man, the one in the building. My goal was to come up behind the building and fire to let the man inside know they were dead to rights, but when I popped up I noticed too late that there were three men crouched behind the wall. My itchy trigger finger had already done its deed the second I had a visual.

I hit D-Man's earpiece. It was only a few round burst and I let up immediately and stood there. Nextmayor was only a few feet away observing. I called him over because I needed him to call out the man/men in the building because they were basically dead since I could've easily fired inside and lit them up.

So, it was my own adrenaline and gung-ho attitude that caused that incident. I had never seen the bunker from the other side before and did not know what to expect. I was just as surprised as the three men sitting behind the wall.

My observation from the front, before my maneuver, was that there was at least one man inside the building. The hole was very small and it appeared the guy was firing blindly because there were three of us sitting 10 feet in front of the structure and he was firing at nothing.

As for incidents of blind firing... When the US assaulted the HQ there were at least two that I observed blindly throwing their guns over/around the wall and firing at people just feet away.

I also noticed at the farthest instant respawn area there were people huddled around the balloon, protecting it. Dead people. The respawn point was in a wooded area that had almost zero visibility. We were forced to run in blindly and attack to take out the balloon. It was a position we didn't want to be in, but we had to do it to take out the balloon. Some of the dead got peppered. It was inevitable. People standing around a balloon at an instant respawn point just didn't seem right to me. Nor did the incidents of blind firing into the HQ, but they were small things and you learn to adjust to them.

My point is there were little indiscretions on both sides of the fence. Some situations force you into making decisions. Either run in there and weed out the campers or face an endless battle. I chose to take action. Airsoft can be unforgiving, just like war. You do what you can and you try to be honorable. I do my best. But even I admit I make mistakes. And this one was my mistake. It's not my first and it won't be my last. But I do strive to play fairly.

[Prose]

Who is Freth, Oscar, or X-ray? Three people, two people or one people?

[Oscar]

Freth is my sign-on name for the forum. I used it before I had a call-sign. I am Oscar (see my sig?). I am not X-Ray.

(addendum) For the record, X-Ray stayed at the HQ 99% of the time commanding the Antoga rebels. There were two times he moved from the HQ. 1) To make the missile buy near the pond, 2) To meet with Abu. X-Ray is seen in the pic linked in this thread, talking on the radio.

[nambooseizzle]

lol, yea, the one of him blind fireing... lol.

[Oscar]

Actually, if you notice... he wasn't blind firing. His finger is off of the trigger. He had to kneel down behind the wall momentarily to bark orders into the comm. Think about it. If you're standing and firing and someone calls you on the radio you're not going to stand there with your head above the wall.

He was constantly talking into the comm with his various squads and keeping them where he needed them to be, which is why we won--good leadership and execution by all rebels. Like I said on the other forum, I really have to commend the players on our side for giving it their all. X-Ray kept everyone where they needed to be to get the job done, but the players had the heart and the drive to win the op that day.

Seeing a picture of him knelt with his gun resting on the wall and talking into the comm isn't proof of blind firing. Not to mention Nextmayor and other judges were near the HQ the whole day. Safari Strike was pretty impeccible and there were very few incidents reported.

It seems after every op many of the same people come here and complain about cheating. It's been said time and again, if you have a beef take it up at the op. What good does it do to post complaints after the fact? We see numerous instances of foul play ourselves at the various ops we attend, but coming here and complaining is a moot point if you don't bring it up at the op to address it. Blatant and repeated cheating at every op will earn a team a reputation anyway, so I feel there's no need to come here and post negatively after every op. I like to point my weapon, not my finger. :D

Many of the complaints posted on this forum end up being a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[nambooseizzle]

awsome?

edit:

so he rested his gun in a blind firing position before or after he got the call on the radio?

[Oscar]

Why is it that every time there's an op the same people come out like clockwork and start baiting for an argument? It's a moot point after the op and I won't sit here and argue with you. We won the tournament and we didn't cheat to win. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't bring it up at the op it's a moot point. If you saw X-Ray blind firing at the op then you should've pointed it out. It's easy to come on the forum and point fingers... something one particular team seems very skilled at. It's sad they can't channel that energy onto the field... they might've won the op.

I challenge each and every one of you complaining to bring up instances as they occur---at the op. If there is truly a problem, as bad as you insinuate, it'll become evident and be dealt with.

I'm done with this conversation. It's pointless to bicker and argue about what you think happened.

[nambooseizzle]

Originally posted by Freth


I'm done with this conversation. It's pointless to bicker and argue about what you think happened.

hey man, you're the one typing paragraphs about what you think happened. not me.

[Oscar]

Originally posted by nambooseizzle

lol, yea, the one of him blind fireing... lol.

hey man, you're the one typing paragraphs about what you think happened. not me.

I rest my case.

I was at the HQ quite a bit of the time during the op. I never once saw X-Ray firing blind. So, no... I'm not assuming, I'm going by what I saw. You are the one assuming by making snide remarks about what you think happened---based on a picture.

Noone likes cheaters, but the place to report cheaters is on the battlefield, not a forum where a person can't defend himself. X-Ray doesn't even own a computer. I think it's reprehensible.

[nambooseizzle]

lol, you rest your case? i said paragraphs, and you quote me on a … not even sentence… you said you were done with this conversation, stick to it! <3

[Oscar]

One last thing...

BlackEagle strives to play honorably. If anyone sees any different from our team, then by all means bring it up at the op and make it known. We welcome that kind of scrutiny, because it means other teams are being scrutinized as well. And we will work with the judges to ensure all are playing the game fairly. Our goal is to go to an op and get a job done. Play hard, but play within the rules and have a good time. I wouldn't have it any other way.

That's not to say we don't make mistakes, because we do. Noone's perfect. The day we have to cheat to win is the day I quit playing airsoft, because it's not worth it if we don't win it legit. That's how I feel about it.

Everyone can judge for themselves. All I ask is that you take up these issues at the op and not on a forum. It just ends up being a bickering match and noone wins. It's one thing to bring something up when you witnessed it, but to assume guilt from a picture that has no proof of said accusation is wrong.

And with that I'm done with this thread.

Regards.

[strikers_blade]

Freth,

I completely agree with what you just said. Not only because forums are the worst place to discuss such issue but also because the guy, which would seem to be in cause here, can't even defend himself (I am not even suggesting he is really guilty anyway).

Now, guys, let's forget about all this and get back on the subject. If you guys have no pros and cons about the events anymore, please stay out of this forum. While I do like to know all details, it is also nice to hear what other might have to say :D

[Shifty]

The problem with bring things up at a game is usually because:

A: If you say anything to the alleged cheater/rule violator, they probably aren't going to take too kindly to that. I've seen my share of near fist fights at airsoft games, from people I would've never expected to get angry.

B: You could tell a referee, but if they weren't there during the alleged incident, then they can't do anything about it. Yeah, they could hang around the guy for the rest of the day, but he probably won't pull anymore funny buisness simply because there is a ref there at the time. For example: How many people do you see intentionally drive by police in excess of the speed limit when they know the cop is there? Probably not many.

Whoever originally said that this can't be discussed in the forums is wrong. Sure, it can't help past mistakes, but we can prevent repeat offenders from coming back to our games and doing the same things again.

What really intrigues me the most about incidents like this is that 15 people are so quick to come forward and say that someone isn't guilty, but no one know exactly who commited the violations. I find that suspect, to say the least.

I never meant to have this thread turn into a flame war, and it would seem that my posting the picture started this whole scpheel. So my apologies for that.

Having said all of that, I would like to add that I had a blast at Safari Strike, and I would gladly attend it again, if given the opportunity. My thanks goes out to Nextmayor and TAC.

[AlphaSix]

This is one of those replies that I'm sure is going to be taken the wrong way, okay, now that I've said as much, on to my points.

I've attended events oraganized by Wallace (CM2), Strikers (PB, BF), John Lu (OP Irene), and TAC (all of them.) and while I am no longer a member of TAC, I will very quickly admit to one very important item that perhaps some other players might agree wth, or might not..

At the other events OC's, or Ref's will listen to players complaints of cheating, at the TAC events, I'm very convinced that any repeat complaints would result in the immediate removal of such players.

I'm not suggesting that other events will abide cheaters, just that the TAC events would move very quickly on such problems. When I was a member of TAC, and helped organize events during my time with the team, that was always a clearly understood issue. We had players complain about medic rules, and no respawns (sorry that was explained in the rules posted months in advance, don't act surprised.), this all shouldnt be confused with suggesting other events pander to players, or sit idly by while they know cheating is happening, thats not what I'm trying to say, only that I am positive that TAC would send a cheater packing, regardless of what PR might result from such a dismissal. I have had good times at all the events I have attended, but I can tell you first hand that at OP Irene the cheating was so bad it was ridiculous.. For me, it got to the point where I'd have to send BB's downrange until the person finally raised a hand or called out, thats pretty bad.. Typically you send a short burst, see your hits clearly, and the player will call out or raise a hand, that was rarely the case at Irene. At Blind Fury, I didn't get into too many battles, but I heard quite a few issues, and sadly one issue nearly resulted in a fist fight (no fun for sure.), my understanding of TAC's mentality to deal with problems quickly, and deal with politial aftershock later has always been a primary reason I always attend their events (aside from trying to support the sport in this part of the state.)

Cheating at OP SS? For me, I saw clean clear hits on bad guys, a times from less than 10 feet (first 30 seconds of the event, Eagle 1 was nearly run over by a sentry team) with BB's clearly bouncing off the vests of bad guys, I won't call that cheating because those guys were very surprised when we opened up, however the excitement of the moment may have had the adrenaline flowing and those things happen. At other times from further away (seeing defenders in the fort clearly hit, and then ducking down, and reappearing at another spot behind the walls) but the point is, for the number of players, these incidents seemed very few and far between, and just because we see BB's bouncing off bad guys doesn't automatically mean they hard of felt the hits. Thats just part of the game, drive on, and get the job done.

In all, I had a great time at OP SS, and my hats off to TAC for (in my opinion) putting together the most realistic milsim events. Will there continue to be cheaters? sure, but after enough issues, those people will go away. I attend these events ot have fun, not get into brawls, or screaming contests about who didn't call their hits.

[CAR15A2]

More pictures



http://www.airsoftcleveland.com/coppermine/

[Grease Man]

good win rebels. You kicked our butts. Congrats. I had a blast. Thanks for the great time.

[Violator]

Loki is correct. I did have a longer response typed up but I deleted it when I realized how much of a waste of time it is trying to beat common sense into some peoples heads.

Great event TAC, I'll be there next year.

[CAR15A2]

I have personally pointed out violations to people at both TAC and non-TAC events in the past. On most occasions, but not all, it did not lead to arguments. A lot of it has to do with how you approach it.

I did see some blind firing at OP:SS. The person I saw was on the US side, and I did not get a chance to speak to him before things got too jumbled for me to be sure who was who. I also saw that some people, from each side, did not stay in place for five minutes before heading to a hospital. This I did mention to people, but I am not sure if they complied after I left the area.

Many of the alleged incidents of not calling out that were immediately investigated did not pan out. When we were told "none of those guys are calling out", and we went over there, we would find a bunch of people with red rags on their heads. This happenned more than once or twice.

The vast majority of feedback we received was favorable. There will always be cheating and/or perceived cheating. This game, however, has had the most complaints of cheating at ant TAC event so far. It was still less than I've heard at events hosted by others. I think our pro-active stance of confronting cheating/percieved cheating when it occurs is the main reason.

CAR15