Operation Something: May 7th 2005

[oldschool]

When: May 7th 2005
Where: 4101 Spring Grover Ave.
What time: 10am-5pm
Why: For fun
How: How does a posi track on a Plymouth work, it just does.

Age: 13 and UP!
Waiver: Yes
Cost: 20$ BLING BLING!$!
Fun: Alot
FPS: 350 and BELOW
Registration: Name, Age... AirsoftREG@aol.com send the e-mail.





If I have left anything out, post it in here
Thanks OldSchool!!! and his awesome son cause he is so awesome and stuff and a pimp, and awesome! DEFENDER

[Veritas]

350 and under...may I ask why? That seems a tid bit too low.

[P90killer]

well when u don't have to shoot 75ft+ then u don't need power :D i intend on coming.

[oldschool]

sorry this is a cqb game thats why we only go to 350 fps oldschool

[Ghost Face]

What is wrong with these rules here? This is fair and obeyed by others at all fields.



The following engagement rules must be obeyed at all times (FPS measured with 0.2 gram BBs):

0-350fps (1.14 joules): Full Auto, no minimum engagement distance.
350-399fps (1.48 joules): Full Auto, 25' minimum engagement distance.
400-449fps (1.87 joules): Semi Auto only, 50' minimum engagement distance.
450-500fps (2.32 joules): Semi Auto only, 75' minimum engagemnet distance.

Anything thing over the 350 make it semi auto only!! This seems fair!!

[MC51ED]

Oldschool, im not trying to offend you or anything, and correct me if im wrong, its just that to me 20 dollars seems a little steep. I was just kind of wondering where all of that money goes to. Once again i mean no offence. Just a harmless inquiry.

[grunt]

I love the name "Op: Something", It looks like you put a lot of thought into in Oldschool.:p

[strikers_blade]

Ghost, over 350fps request already a lot of control and most of us don't have it...so better prevent accident than fixing them ;)

MC51ED, don't you ask the question every event? I'm sure Oldschool will tell you but someone has to pay for the insurance and the building you know ;)

[Veritas]

i never saw a CQB environment mentioned in the original post...oh well. i can understand limiting it in CQB.

[oldschool]

thanks blade you sumed it all up,trust me 51 as blade knows this isnt a get rich schem we do this to have fun and carry airsoft on.the name did take about 5 min to come up with,thats what this day is for just fun.iam sure we will come up with good games. hope to see you there blade and company. thanx oldschool

[MC51ED]

Originally posted by strikers_blade
MC51ED, don't you ask the question every event? I'm sure Oldschool will tell you but someone has to pay for the insurance and the building you know ;)
Thanks for the prompt answer, but this was actually the first time i had ever asked this question.

[x-statix]

I'll definitely be coming o this one. I'll email you tonight. Also, I assume this is the same site as the March 5 event?

[Chapman]

which city is this in?

[RedZebra]

Norwood I think. No event this month? Would any one be willing to lend a noob an AEG for the event? (Preferably a TM M4A1 but beggars can’t be choosers!)

[TriggerHappy10]

Is this the same place in cincinnati ?

[oldschool]

yes this is in cincinnati it is at 4101 spring grove ave hope to see you all there oldschool

[D-Boy]

Ok I will attend but will we have a store come down or will Strikers be a Loin claws?



Jack

[TriggerHappy10]

Ill be there

[twepainkiller]

Ill be there always worth the drive to play at such an awsome place with a great group of guys.

I think i may be bringing a new friend and probably a vetran friend from ASKY.

Reallly looking forward to another awsome day of airsoft with ya.

[wormyxl]

ok.... just for those who still havnt realized this yet but this event is at the place that had the machien shop on the first level and the flooded fourth level..... just sayin

wambat

[twepainkiller]

umm ya that would be the place, the best cqb game ive played

[mattreinsmoen]

Oldschool if its cool with you the two matts from louisville would like to come

and we might have 8-10 others

[MC51ED]

Ill be there for sure, it will be my first game with the Mp5 and my last one before i ship.

[FISTER]

I'll be showing up with cheeta.

[P90killer]

damnit all...it just dawned on me today that i have the SAT's that say as well so if i get done with that at a decent time then i will drive oh say 90 all the way there and try and get a few games in....sorry :mad:

[MC51ED]

Oh crap, count me out, i also have to take the SAT that day, well i guess that means no more airsoft for me for a long time.

[JTP709]

Ill be showing up with Flying Cheeto and FISTER, and will be one of the eight. Im bringing flashbangs,door rams, and smoke grenades (lol j/k)

[oldschool]

mattreinsmoen that will be fine, hope all can make it i need you guys to sign up thanx oldschool

[mattreinsmoen]

thanks oldschool

i promise all my guys will be on their best behavior.

i will be bringing

FISTER
JTP709
DeltaForceSniper
clint
matt
matt

mabey more ill lt you know as soon as possible

[x-statix]

One of my friends will be attending so he will need a gun. I was just wondering if any one will be able to rent him a gun and battery for the day. Of course he will be completely responsible and will pay for any damage.
thanks

[grunt]

Oldschool,

How about an update on who all is attending?

Thanks.

[RedZebra]

I Might actually be able to come to this one! I'll be getting my first AEG in like a week. I'll try and get some money together but if not then I'll try the next event. :D

[Evil Head]

Old school,
We had a great time last time... could we work out some scenarios in advance this time? That would be great and save some playing time.

[Evil Head]

OldSchool,
Is there still room for a friend of mine? We signed up three and would like to add a fourth.

[Bad Llama]

i will so be there thats the day after i get PAYED!!!!! oh yea! BTW all i have is a stinkin usp compact now... so if n e one out there has a mag to sell lemme know!

[RedZebra]

Would any one be able to lend me a High cap or an extra mag for a M4?

[Veritas]

Originally posted by UA-312
Would any one be able to lend me a High cap or an extra mag for a M4?

i got 10 star mags, all seem to work fine, i just never run out of ammo in my standard to ever use em :D youre welcome to a few of those.

[wormyxl]

Count me and one of my friends in.... now that i got a new drum mag im up for any game, also if any wants to by my old m203(100-120) or socom mk23 nbb(130) than tell me and i'll bring them

wormxl

[Lone Gunman]

Oldschool,

Will there be a limit on people attending. The last time there was a 50 person limit and I did not get myself and a few others signed up in time.

[oldschool]

lone gunman just sign up and we will get you guys in, thanx oldschool

[grunt]

Hey oldschool,

How about a count on who all is coming?

I'm pretty sure I already registerd via e-mail.

Thanks.

[oldschool]

1. Tony Colque
2. Ryan Loughran
3. Evil Head
4. One Death
5. Stinky
6. Grunt
7. Lee Hartman
8. Alex Coe
9. Andrew Weaver
10. Shawn Miller
11. Brandon Brown
12. Matt
13. Matt
14. Clint
15. Scot
16. Jon
17. Kevin
18. Adam
19. Onsite
20. Ben Chan
21. Brian Wamsher
22. J. Williams
23. D-Boy
24. Bryan Ammon
25. Nate Ammon
26. Kyle Elzy
27. Johnathon
28. Bad Llama
29. Pointman
30. Solution_Zero
31. Robert N Corbett
32. Scorpion
33. Snipe
34. Rainer
35. Brian (columbus,OH)
36. marko
37. notabob
This is all that has registered and the capacity limit is 50, so only 13 spots left. Thanks OldSchool

[RedZebra]

Originally posted by Veritas
i got 10 star mags, all seem to work fine, i just never run out of ammo in my standard to ever use em :D youre welcome to a few of those. I think I'm gonna have to hold you to that.

Oldschool I have a question about the waiver. What do we put in these? "___________"

Plus in the form it says this form must be updated each year and it says "FORM VALID FROM 04/01/04 TO 04/01/05" so it would be void for this event right?
Thanks Johnathon.

[PointMan]

oldschool did you get my email

[Im_a_real_ninja]

Oldschool, i'm going to be bringing one more dude other than myself, he goes by the name of alex. (i'f there is a spot still available)

[snipe]

doug i sent you an email i was just wondering if you could respond to it because i ned the waiver.

me, rainer, scorpion, maggot, and room lady will be attedning

[grunt]

How about a valid waiver? Please.

[onsite]

There will be a working chrono at this game so make sure your guns shoot under 350fps if you want to play. I will also take players picture when they turn in their waiver and chrono their guns. Hopefully this will prevent any future damage.

[x-statix]

Great. I was surprised that didn't happen at the last CQB.

[genocide43110]

Originally posted by Spook
Intelligence provided through NSA phone intercepts have given the DEA the approximate location of the processing plant of a powerful drug cartel. A DEA Task force has been sent in to find and destroy the processing plant and make arrests.

All cartel members in raggedy civilian clothes except for the bosses, who dress well. The processors are unarmed. The guards all have AKs or Armalites.

DEA in US woodland, M-4 variants if possible.

Sidebar: IF you have a few additional people, you can have a CIA group who is using the coke to fund black operations. The CIA group must protect the plant without killing any DEA agents, OR they must kill ALL the DEA agents. (Yes, this means it is possible that DEA and CIA could get into firefights.) CIA's team leader had better make the RIGHT choice.

I thought we could try this.

[twepainkiller]

2 things.

1 is there anyone that can bring a spare pair of goggles for my friend i am letting him use my mp5,

2. does anyone know if the stock ICS m4 car-97 is under 350 fps? i dont have anywhere to chrono before the game and dont wanna get there and not be able to use my new gun and not play at all...

just shoot pm or reply thnks

[D-Boy]

TWE the ics will chrono under 350
and I can lend him the goggles.

[twepainkiller]

sweet thanks for the info and ill cya at teh game.

[Shifty]

Count me in too.

[oldschool]

THANX GUYS for your input we put this game together to get some play in so what ever you guys come up with is fine with me i think the dea plan is a great ideal woodlaand against plain cloths i leave this up to you guys thanx oldschool

[Drewstang]

The next time there is a game at that Loc. can someone let me know?

[Bad Llama]

if anyone wants to carpool and save money on gas, i have 3 spots available! pm me or e mail me for more info!


p.s. i live in clark county so if you want to drive here (from columbus or whatever)then go thats fine

[Evil Head]

Operation Lock & Key
Terrorists hold up in a building have threatened a large city block with a dirty bomb of unknown size. A tactical response team has been dispatched to neutralize the terrorist threat and and disarm the bomb.

Mission A: Neutralize terrorists and retrieve case with code to disarm the bomb. Code will be combination to a lock.
Mission B: Neutralize terrorists and retrieve case with bomb inside. Bomb will be a case with a pad lock on outside.
Mission C: Return bomb code to bomb squad to disarm bomb. Once lock is unlocked the game will be over.

4 Teams
Terrorists with bomb
Terrorists with bomb code
Tactical Response Team (TRT Alpha)
Tactical Response Team (TRT Bravo)

Here's how it works:
Terrorists(10 players) with bomb code will be defending top floor of the building. Terrorists(10 players) with bomb will be defending office area on 5th floor. Tactical team will split in two: mission A and mission B. Once TRT A retrieves the code they must return it to TRT B. When TRT's have the code and have unlocked the case with bomb inside the game will be over. Terrorists and TRT's will respawn in separate stair wells at the bottom in groups of five. This will be a one hour time limit game.

This is just a suggestion. Feel free to comment or add to it.[B]

[grunt]

That sounds pretty good. I'm sure we will attempt that atleast.

[D-Boy]

I have a breif case that we can use (it is a normal steryiotypical bomb briefcase.

[twepainkiller]

do we have to have a full woodland suit cause all i got is some off brand pants that are sorta woodlandish.

[genocide43110]

It shouldn't matter. I have seen people wearing regular clothes while playing.

[snipe]

me and the rest of my team (about 5 or 10 of us) will wear suits if you want us to for scenarios.

[Drewstang]

This is getting better everyday. I will most definately make the next one.

[oldschool]

well guys looks like we have a game plan, evil head came up with a good one if you guys can bring a white shirt or gray as an extra ,so when we find out who the bad guys are they can wear them. everyone needs to bring an extra shirt . thanx oldschool

[Evil Head]

One other thought that I had was that each TRT would have 2 or 3 designated bomb techs. If the terrorists eliminate all the bomb techs then the game will end. Bomb tech players would not respawn as bomb techs. They could re-enter the game as normal TRT players. Plain shirts will be a good idea since there isn't much need for camo indoors. It will help define teams without armbands or tape.

Just another idea... I will try to come up with some more objectives before Staturday.

BTW Oldschool... Were you able to add my Friend Marc to the list? He is making the trip from Toledo.

[RedZebra]

So no BDUs?

[Evil Head]

I think everyone should come in BDU's and also Bring a white or grey shirt to play terrorists or drug cartel if needed.

[notabob]

oldschool, the waiver you sent me has an expiration date of april 1st, 2005 on it. also, will airsoft arms or combat depot be there? i need some bbs.

[oldschool]

the waivers will be fine evil head he will be on there bring him along, i left this day up to the players and so far great play is ahead, i and others will be refs and watch to make sure no more doors are pryed open and glass broke. we want to keep it as safe as possile so all can enjoy thanx oldschool

[Scorpion]

As for the shirts i think it needs to be regular clothes entirely or at least half camo for the two teams.

DEA (TRT) - MUST have camo pants and any shirt that ISN'T black or white.

Drug company - No camo whatsoever, OD and black pants are ok, but no camo of any kind. Only Black or white T-Shirts allowed.

This will make a little easier to tell the teams, Evil head way to go on the scenerio it will be really fun.

[notabob]

Originally posted by notabob
will airsoft arms or combat depot be there? i need some bbs.

[TriggerHappy10]

Hey oldschool i sent in my registration about last week and my name wasnt on thee list.

[Evil Head]

Operation Particle Accelerator

Now that the TRT has dispatched the terrorists and neutralized the bomb, a radio call comes in informing the teams that a second group of terrorists are found hold up in another part of the building. The terrorists a defending four canisters containing radioactive material. It seems that the terrorist, caught off guard buy the assault, were unable to complete the construction of their dirty bomb. The TRT's must reassemble and move in to Neutralize the second group of terrorists and retrieve the canisters.

Teams:
Terrorists
Tactical Response Team

Here's how this one works:
Good guys vs. bad guys. Terrorists will place four canisters(Painted bright colors) on different floors. TRT's will have to move up stairwells and neutralized the terrorists and retrieve the canisters. It's like capture the flag with four flags. Terrorists have to defend canisters. Once the TRT's have brought all four canisters to the ground floor the game will end. Respawns will occur like the first round. One hour time limit.

It would help in these games if terrorists wore non BDU tops. Regular shirts, white or grey. This way it will be easy to switch out teams between games. Everyone should bring a civilian shirt if they want to defend. You can throw you BDU shirt back on if you want to attack. Or do you best to look like a terrorist! I.E. Dress like a homeless person.
I will be wearing a T-shirt and Shemagh with desert bottoms. I will also bring my digital woodlands for team change.

[oldschool]

ok evil head here is the kicker when a bad guy gets shot he will respond and change shirts to become a trt this way it will narrow down the terriost fast. but now comes a more switch in the game only 1 high cap for each terriost but they will have ammo very close to them this will keep everyone moving and not in one place. we will see how they handle pressure, thanx oldschool

[grunt]

Good to go Evil Head...And to oldschool; what is the point of the waiver if they are not valid? Would it be alright to just change the date ourselves? And these do not have to be notarized, correct?

Thanks again.

[genocide43110]

We should try this also. It sounds fun to me. http://www.unconventional-airsoft.com/scenarios/monster.php

[snipe]

I will gladly be the monster! Rainer, scorpion, and a few others will be the scientists watchin my back if we do that scenario.

[D-Boy]

I will be a scientist And maybe the experimental gun could be a Powerful nerf gun.

[genocide43110]

I have a red and blue springer we could use.

[Shifty]

Heh, the funny thing is that it's pretty much an RE scenario with different names and titles.

Monster = a Combination of Nemesis and Trisquads(from the books)
Security Arms = UBCS
Mad Scientist = (Albert Wesker, William Birkin)

Needless to say, anything that can be remotely construed as having anything whatsoever to do with Resident Evil and i'm in, lol.

Hell, I even have some UBCS patces I could throw on. :p

[Scorpion]

Yeah definetly good to go on the monster game, as my teammate said we are very good at these kinda games.

[Evil Head]

since we have a couple of scenarios planned out, maybe we should just stick with these and a few elimination rounds. We could run two of each game if they play well. It will give players a chance to attack and defend.

[Darkstar]

I'll be coming as well, and will have BB's, gas, etc for sale. If anyone needs anything from Airsoft Arms, contact me.

I'll also have a few AEG's available for rent. You will need to be 18 and have a valid driver's license to rent AEGs. Contact me for more information if you need to reserve an AEG. I'll let you know which models we have left available for rent.

Darkstar out.

[Evil Head]

I have attached an image of a mock radiactive canisters for Op: Particle Accelerator
They have a carry handle. What do you guys think. We will need some brief cases for bomb and code cases.

[notabob]

darkstar, i sent you a pm saying that i need a bag of .2 excel bbs for saturday, but some people dont read PMs so i decided i would post it here too.

[D-Boy]

I will bring a breif case. (it is the genaric type for a bomb) Brown padded double button type.

[Scorpion]

Evil Head is right we need to stick to the scenerios that have been planned out and not tweak it too much.

Also Wonderful job on the containers Evil, they look great.

[Rampage613]

I should be able to make this one. I'm going to have a late night Friday night so I couldn't tell ya when I'd be there for sure but I'll do my best. I won't be there to late either since I'm going to a concert that night as well. WIth any luck I might be able to bring a very special teammate with me :D Hope to see you guys there!

[Rampage613]

Originally posted by Loki

Needless to say, anything that can be remotely construed as having anything whatsoever to do with Resident Evil and i'm in, lol.

Hell, I even have some UBCS patces I could throw on. :p

I'm with you there Loki! RE ROCKS!!! Hell, I named my pistol "Alice" Because it's the one she uses in the movie to kill the dogs. Tell you what, I'll be sporting a special little shirt that I got the other day that you'll get a kick out of. ;) See you there!

[oldschool]

well guys the games is set sounds great we;ll be ready for ya, so lets get it on. oldschool

[D-Boy]

My brother Sam no longer can make it due to another commitment.

[dustin]

Hey, I sent an e-mail and did not get a reply. I will take someones place that has dropped out if there are no slots left.

BTW, My info is:

Name: Dustin
Age: 19
Weapon: TM AK-47
Location: Florence/Covington Kentucky

[oldschool]

dustin we put you down so your good to go, also we will change the date on the waviers thanx oldschool

[Scorpion]

when the waivers are changed could you link it in this thread for everone to grab before the game, Thanks.

[oldschool]

just bring the waviers with you i will change the date there thanx oldschool

[PointMan]

will we be able to fill the waivers out when we arrive ?

[oldschool]

yes you can fill them out at the game as long as you are over 18 thanx oldschool

[oldschool]

1. Tony Colque
2. Ryan Loughran
3. Evil Head
4. One Death
5. Stinky
6. Grunt
7. Lee Hartman
8. Alex Coe
9. Andrew Weaver
10. Shawn Miller
11. Brandon Brown
12. Matt
13. Matt
14. Clint
15. Scot
16. Jon
17. Kevin
18. Adam
19. Onsite
20. Ben Chan
21. Brian Wamsher
22. J. Williams
23. D-Boy
24. Bryan Ammon
25. Nate Ammon
26. Kyle Elzy
27. Johnathon
28. Bad Llama
29. Pointman
30. Solution_Zero
31. Robert N Corbett
32. Scorpion
33. Snipe
34. Rainer
35. Brian (columbus,OH)
36. marko
37. notabob
38. TANK
39. Sam Shasnoff
40. Lone Gunman
41. Matt Barrick
42. Dustin Broach
43. Sure Shot
44. Scuba Steve
45. John Westover

Most recent list as of 05/05/05 Thursday.


For those who need city, zip, and addy, 4101 Spring Grove Ave. Cincinnati, Ohio 45233

[mattreinsmoen]

clint
jon
adam

are not coming so if you need more spots those are open.

[Darkstar]

Hello All,

I just wanted to let people know that I still have a few rentals left, so contact me via Private Message to reserve one. If we have any extras, I'll have them at the game.

Also, if anyone needs anything from Airsoft Arms. Send me a message via Private Message here before 7pm tonight (Friday).

Darkstar out.

[Valor958]

Hey Oldskool, I sent you my email for registration and all that but im not listed on there...you think you could correct that so i dont show up and get b*tched at for something silly. Will be bringing my MP5A5 since my G36 is over 350fps. I'll email you again for registration just becuase, but i did that about 3 weeks ago first time.

[twepainkiller]

im posting here cause im not on the list and am coming i sent you an e-mail early last week but heres my info

Josh Sevy and Friend

ICS M4 & TM mp5 both stock

[snipe]

registur roomlady also please. he has a TM M4A1

also, is it ok that i am the monster?

[genocide43110]

Please also register:

Adam Weaver
16

[Valor958]

Also...can someone put a link to the updated waiver in here for ease so that Oldskool isnt rushed to send everyone waivers late at night or what not..it would make things a bunch easier. Or at least have someone bring quite a few extra copies for people to fill out just in case. Always be prepared, couldnt hurt.

[oldschool]

Hey guys registration is closed, dont worry if your name isnt on the list on the site, i have an updated list and i havent had time to update the list. Also I have updated the waivers, if I sent one to you that is out of date just fill it out anyways, i will have updated ones at the game tomorrow. Thanks Oldschool

[Bad Llama]

this game was a lot of fun!!!! i will have pictures up later today guys!

[CapnJ]

Lotsa fun and some good kills today...however:

1. If anyone picked up/found a TM G36 standard magazine with a piece of black hockey tape on the bottom please PM me or post a reply saying you found it.

2. Several bandages to my right arm and neck later, I have decided that blasting someone with full auto fire within ten feet is a bad thing. Please, consider the freeze or semi auto when engaging in extreme close quarters fire, because right now my arm looks like Neo's arm right after he got unplugged from the Matrix. Personally, I don't mind coming home bleeding, but I can't speak for the guy who took three ICS M4 rounds to the nose/face from eight feet. Just a friendly reminder to try to keep the game as fun, safe, and painless as possible.

3. See you at FranBar.

Peace
Cap'n J

[dustin]

Well, to just put my two cents in...

This was probably the worst event in airsoft history! Haha, not worth $20 by a long shot. It was definitely a good building for airsoft, but without defined rules, ref's, and honest players, the game quickly got out of hand.


Pros.
1. Awesome building.
2. Great scenario ideas.
3. Great turnout of players.

Cons.
1. Players not calling outs.
2. Unlimited ammo (SPRAY AND PRAY)
3. Unbalanced teamplay scenarios.
4. $20 fee, not worth it.

The reasons for my lack of enjoyment in this game were simple, and I will explain each of the cons for you.

#1. Many players did not call outs, ask anyone, most left early as a result.

#2. Unlimited ammo, up close spray and pray with full auto, no real "tactics" required for a good CQB game, therefore it was more less shooting "BLIND SHOTS" from around corners and not really storming rooms like real TRT's would.

#3. Terrorists could not win, period. And when a terrorist died, they joined the TRT's in a respawn, creating next to impossible odds for the terrorists to play against. And aside from that the bombs were just glorified props. Why were we defending something that would never "blow up"? I think a timelimit would have been a good idea in this situation as well.

#4. Why the hell did we have to pay $20? I did not see anything that deemed a fee of twenty bucks at all, I didn't even get complementary bb's. :)

--------------------------

With that said, maybe you guys can learn something and make the next event more appealing to more trained players, and not newbie spray and pray people who came in wearing thick padded clothing and face shields and stuff. I mean, that may explain why they weren't calling their outs, they simply couldn't feel them.

[Evil Head]

Had a good time!

Semi auto next time...
Also low cap mags to encourage CQB tactics...

Maybe next time we can break up into smaller groups and run several scenarios in different areas. A couple of 10 on 10's broken up by level of experience. Don't bail out on this place... lets work on it and make it work.

[notabob]

for one, i didnt notice ANYONE not calling their hits. tehre was a descripancy in the scenario with the monster but i didnt directly witness it so i cant really say. the $20 fee is a little steep. oldschool, did they ever fix the old CQB place? it was a much better place for it IMO.

[Evil Head]

One thing for sure, in a respawn game, why are you cheating? Die and then respawn! Simple. I must have respawned a dozen times each game. Get shot walk down stairs meet some friends and climb back up. GOOD CARDIO!
The games were designed so that the terrorists would lose. This was to keep people playing and have a resolution. I had no problem with this and I played as a terrorist each time.

[Sleezy]

Originally posted by Evil Head
The games were designed so that the terrorists would lose. This was to keep people playing and have a resolution. I had no problem with this and I played as a terrorist each time.

Yeah, I played as a terrorist each time as well, and I sure as hell felt like one. For pretty much the duration of the day, I was holed up somewhere with two or three buddies trying desperately to keep an ever-growing force in a stairwell from rushing in and wiping us all out. Fun stuff, and we did a helluva job - but it was kinda disconcerting knowing that I was just sitting (or kneeling, painfully) for an hour or so until 30+ guys rushed in and riddled me with BBs. There was no way we could survive, and to me, that's part of the fun. I even thought about trying to get my team to make our way downstairs (trying to evade the bad guys) and "get away" just so we could say we lived.

Truthfully, I didn't mind the scenario that much. One thing you guys should consider, though, is how safe that scenario should be. How can you control a growing force of 30 trigger-happy guys just looking for someone to shoot? During that second game, I saw nearly that many rush into a room just to kill one remaining terrorist. That was completely unnecessary.

[Valor958]

I know some people did not SEE others not calling outs, but you have to admit, whether you saw it or not (which i did...often), chances are some people didnt. The spray and pray style for ammo did make the game a little less enjoyable, but the people who ackowledged this did limit their ammo and only carried a moderate amount on them. The building was also good with all the interesting places to hide and ambush and what not, though the camping of a specific position for a long time kinda got annoying...real quick, but everyone had their excuse so, yeah. I'm no expert by any means due to lots of inactivity on my part, but I know enough to know when people are lying, making cheap excuses, and just whining. People make good points, its a respawn game...just die and do it again, no biggie. Everyone seemed to complain about getting hit when my poor friend, Sean, got shot no where BUT in the face...about 5-10 times per game, and he never whined a bit. It annoyed him, but he didnt whine and he took his hits. So for future reference for those who know they whined about getting shot...dont whine, or dont play.


P.S.: sorry about the excessively long post...bad day and i'm just venting, hehe :D

[Windviper]

good game but rules weren't followed like... stairwells being OFF LIMITS! after respawn it was impossible to get back up. overall i would say it was a good day except for someone who was throwing a dead pigeon found in a bathroom. wtf?

[oldschool]

first off DUSTIN the 20 dollar fee is for the rent and insurance and if you read the forms i left this day up to you guys, these games were made up buy all the guys there. cqb is hell and i have played all types of cqb there is always hell in close areas. sorry you feel this way but this was not a planned out day,just a day to play, if you cant handle the heat stay home.i played that day and shot two 203 shells at players and they didnt cry thats 165bbs at a time dustin you have a game and ill play at yours . i guess the saying is there is always one bad apple. thanx oldschool

[oldschool]

first off DUSTIN the 20 dollar fee is for the rent and insurance and if you read the forms i left this day up to you guys, these games were made up buy all the guys there. cqb is hell and i have played all types of cqb there is always hell in close areas. sorry you feel this way but this was not a planned out day,just a day to play, if you cant handle the heat stay home.i played that day and shot two 203 shells at players and they didnt cry thats 165bbs at a time dustin you have a game and ill play at yours . i guess the saying is there is always one bad apple. thanx oldschool

[Evil Head]

$20.00 for a day of airsoft is a bargain compared to what it costs to do other things. $34.99 to go to Kings Island and stand in line for half the day. Can't tell you what it cost to go to a Bengals' game these days. $20.00 will get you less than 10 gallons of gas. $20.00 is a bargain for a days entertainment, trust me. Try to get into Disneyland! $53.00

[dustin]

Well at least you saw the good in my post? Sounds to me like you are the bad apple. But whatever, I did have fun, I am just saying that it would have been better if the day would have been planned a little more than it was. I really dont care wether you like that or not oldschool. Honestly, we never plan to attend another of your events in the future because from what I understand they are all the same, without any improvement from previous mishaps.

Also, why the hell are you lecturing me on the "hell" that CQB is? I play airsoft, I understand the risks involved. Matter of fact I used to play paintball as well, which hurts a lot worse. But reguardless of that situation, from what I know, NOONE HAS DIED from playing airsoft, so why be afraid to get hit? So maybe I misunderstand your post, but I do not understand why you are giving me a speech about airsoft hurting, becaues honestly its nothing to me.

[oldschool]

well dustin i wasnt pointing a finger at you i was just saying cqb is fust that cqb, also we try to stop the problems but there is no way i have people doing damage like writing on the wall, so it is a hard day. as far as the day I LEFT IT UP TO THE PLAYERS ON THE GAMES NOT ME JUsT A DAY OF PLAY, thanx for not coming to anymore events as i dont need anyone with tears ,i play at all the events in ohio please look me up so we can talk more maybe you will understand where i stand.paintball is as painfull but when i played we never got this close, i know that some people didnt call out or shoot others to close but i cant be evey place in the building.so i guess we will see at other events sorry to let you down but this wasnt a planed out day please read the forms before you go to any more events oldschool

[dustin]

First off, I came with friends. They were speaking "GOOD" of your event. I went by their word, not your prized "FORUMS", and I am sorry that you feel that way. As far as this "TEARS" bullcrap you speak of, since when were there tears?

I will tell you your problem oldschool, and its very simple. You have a very immature mindset, and by attacking me personally for my "OPINIONS" you have proven that you are no more mature than the 12-16 year olds you sanction at your event. So, with that said, maybe your problem isnt you, it may be the maturity level of your players. As a matter of fact you stated writing on the walls, DIDNT PEOPLE DO THAT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? Really man, mature adults know how to play a sport, not saying that there arent young players out there that cant be mature, I know quite a few of them. But maybe you should referee your events, and ban anyone who breaks your rules. After all, YOU MADE THE RULES, YOU SHOULD ENFORCE THEM. Crybaby. heh.

[mattreinsmoen]

dustin
we were all pretty upset about the cheating we saw but dont you think you are getting a bit carryed away with this

[Sleezy]

Originally posted by oldschool
I LEFT IT UP TO THE PLAYERS ON THE GAMES NOT ME JUsT A DAY OF PLAY

That's pretty cool of you, giving the players a chance to decide how they want to play (especially since everyone had to pay to get in). But when it comes to safety, there has to be some considerations taken. Airsoft should be kept as safe as possible, because that keeps everyone from getting hurt (as well as promotes the maximum amount of fun to be had). For example, someone in the other thread mentioned that no CQB rules were established prior to play. Sure, you can say that the rules of CQB play should be obvious, but you can't assume that everyone is aware of them.

Also, games just can't totally be left up to the players. I'm not sure if that was the case last Saturday, but things can quickly become unnecessarily dangerous if it ever is the case. Like I said, 30 guys running into a room to shoot one guy is NOT safe. I don't remember hearing about the guy getting hurt, but the possibility was there. I think everyone would agree that it's better to avoid a situation like that in the first place. I know we sign the waivers, but come on - who wants to see someone get seriously injured? Airsoft is a tough sport to play, especially indoors at close quarters - but that shouldn't be an excuse. If anything, that should make everyone even MORE vigilant about safety.

Just some thoughts.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by dustin
First off, I came with friends. They were speaking "GOOD" of your event. I went by their word, not your prized "FORUMS", and I am sorry that you feel that way. As far as this "TEARS" bullcrap you speak of, since when were there tears?

I will tell you your problem oldschool, and its very simple. You have a very immature mindset, and by attacking me personally for my "OPINIONS" you have proven that you are no more mature than the 12-16 year olds you sanction at your event. So, with that said, maybe your problem isnt you, it may be the maturity level of your players. As a matter of fact you stated writing on the walls, DIDNT PEOPLE DO THAT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? Really man, mature adults know how to play a sport, not saying that there arent young players out there that cant be mature, I know quite a few of them. But maybe you should referee your events, and ban anyone who breaks your rules. After all, YOU MADE THE RULES, YOU SHOULD ENFORCE THEM. Crybaby. heh.

Like making a counter-accusation and calling him immature is any better? Pfft.

Oh, and if you don't like the forums here, I humbly invite you not to post. As long as you don't break the rules, you are free to come and go as you please.

Since there is two threads about this event, this thread will be locked.