Rising City - On a good note. [Archive]

Jacko

03-27-2005, 11:49 AM

Phew!

My two teammates and I had to take shifts driving the mere 4 hours back to Ann Arbor, MI just because we were so beat after this one! The terrain was just as killer as I remember from Blind Fury and Northern Wind, though the mud was an added challenge. It wasn't as bad as I expected, to be honest. The cold made it a little thicker. :D

Anyways, it was a pretty good event. My squad helped completely derail the scenario when my point-man Snoopy asked for a surrender and got 'We want to negotiate' in return from Greaseman and his iP teammates. When that info was brought back to me, I had the bipod out on the M249 and was staring down the barrel at enemy forces.

Snoopy: 'They want to negotiate.'
Jacko: 'They want to talk?'
Snoopy: 'Yeah, they seem sincere and want to speak to a squad leader.'
Jacko: 'Wow, bet the Strikers didn't see this coming.'

So, after nearly 30 minutes of negotiations (And gifts of humanitarian rations to Tropico rebels, though they reciprocated with rare, Tropico teriyaki beef jerky) Generalissimo CAR15A2 made his appearance. He had been promised safe passage to Supreme Commander Munin alongside his lieutenant and was thusly delivered. After some talk concerning poisoned wells, dirty bombs and UN Resolutions 1475 and 1476, little progress was made besides a general cease fire between the two sides until further negotiations and measures could be decided. Once the Generalissimo was returned, Tropico forces retreated from the UDF territory that my squad was guarding.

Of course, the entire time this was happening, reports trickled in through the command net that Krieger forces managed to secure every barrel on the field while Tropico command forces negotiated with a single 10 man squad. Victory would be ours!

Well, not quite, and certainly not yet. It was soon reported to the UN that Tropico had violated the cease fire. The UN left in a hurry from the UDF while the barrels were brought and tallied up. After another hour or so of Tropico forces probing the UDF, an unexpected call came through to my squad.

'Terminate the UN forces on sight.'

This was a rather unwarranted action as there was no reason given. Looking west of the UDF, we spotted at least a dozen UN troops coming for the facility. Since my squad was down to 7 men, having sent a 3 man death squad out to execute Tropico rebels after the UN left, firing upon a growing number of UN forces seemed like suicide. Their lead official asked us to hand over the UDF due to Krieger hostility towards his men but could not guarantee when the facility would be returned. I had no choice but to relinquish control. I even shook on it.

15 minutes later, nearly all of the Krieger forces descended on the UDF like locusts and won it back.

The UDF was a hard fought and hard won objective throughout the day. We eventually lost it to a concentrated UN/Tropico movement when reinforcements were unable to show up on time. With the loss of all the barrels, it was an uphill battle to take some back and mete out some punishment in return.

If anyone could fill in what happened during the last hour, that'd be cool. I was out looking for lost items and didn't see what the final conditions turned out to be.

EDIT: Sweet, didn't hit the character limit.

Big thanks to Loki, you took some awesome photos and I'm thankful you got some of Geist Kompanie. Thanks again.

Crossfire

03-27-2005, 12:46 PM

Jacko, we held the UDF for the last half-hour of game without a hitch. When everyone was moving out for the last time on the suicide mission to attack the Tropicos, Munin sent STAT, all 4 of us, to hold the UDF for about the last 20-25 minutes. At first we set up a perimiter and waited for the worst, willing to hold the UDF at all costs, and then about 20 minutes into it, nothing was going on around the UDF. So we stacked all the barrels and had a sit down. Then a few guys from Giest and other Kreigers showed up within the last 5 minutes. With the barrels at the UDF, we had 350 points.

oldschool

03-27-2005, 01:19 PM

sorry i understand now that is how to handle this i wasnt lookin to start a war but if iam going to come to games i like to hear the in and outs , hope you understand loki ,once again sorry. oldschool out

P90killer

03-27-2005, 01:35 PM

yeah jako um i guess in a way it was out sniper recon teams fault that we lost a few barrels...not that we could have done anything, but we saw and almost made contact with tropico forces when they were being assisted by the U.N. Even though we had the element of surprise, out of reach on comand net, and out one full auto gun low on ammo we decided to pull back and not engage after all....and my dumbarse didn't think like well i have a sniper rifle...we could atleast cause some hell...but with the problems of the radio was where the major comunication breakdown was......(oh and by the way tropicos we were right outside ur base for about 20min) :D

also a said in the briefings ect. were there ANY tropico vilages...our sniper/recon team was all over the map yesterday and did not find a single vilage.....were comands changed or what the heck happened that there were supposed to be things there but weren't after all.

i would also like to say i big thanks to the strikers for hosting the event, i can only see the fact that this was the first game of the season, and myself coming in as a BF 1 vet i was thinking a bit more, i just think the ceise fire killed the day for me....but there were lots of times that the UN forces gave me chances to really get my heart and adrenaline going...oh and when the UN were inside krigers HQ towards the end of the game and u punisher said, "oh we control this now" i was only thinking about shooting you.

thanks again everyone mud and all, wow was that a fun clean up, and hope to see everyone at the next ones

munin excelent serving under you, and hey u didn't shoot me this time.

i'm out for now
p90killer
greg

Slaya360

03-27-2005, 01:36 PM

First off, this was a great event, thanks to all who made it possible, I had a great time.

However, as a Kreiger, I found myself confused a couple of times...maybe the UN could explain thier actions.

First off, from my understanding, the UN turned hostile on us for no reason and then took control of the UDF. At this point, all I was told is that we surrendered the UDF to the UN and had to take it back. So as Jacko pointed out, shortly afterwards nearly all the krieger forces moved in and gained control of the UDF. Now, what I just can't make heads or tails of, is that after we had the UDF completly built, by having at least 600 pts worth of barrels, the UN sided with the Tropicos to take control of the UDF and then proceeded to tear down the UDF, by removing all of the barrels. Then, later on, the UN returned to the Krieger base with two barrels and were again friendly.

Now personally I would think that the UN would want Decontamination Facilty in place. Woudn't tearing it down be the opposite of what they would want?

P90killer

03-27-2005, 01:50 PM

i actually heard the answer from punisher...the reason they brought 2 barrels back is b/c of a show oh "good faith" for the UN helping the tropicos

Aegis

03-27-2005, 02:36 PM

Slaya, ordered or not, the UN recieved aggression from both sides, actually being disarmed and de-radioed and held captive, en-total, at one point. We were also threatened (verbally and by show of force) by kreiger on numerous occasions, when we were supposed to be on friendly terms with krieger.

What went down was, the UN recieved information from the Tropicos commander that Krieger had indeed murdered countless villagers in the preceeding war, and we had moved to provide humanitarian aid to tropico. We didn't turn hostile for no reason. ;)

We gathered evidence of the subversive atrocity committed by Kreiger in the previous conflict, in which Kreiger had denied taking any action (the poisoning of the water of the Tropico villages). Once we had evidence of Krieger's previous aggression, we still didn't turn hostile. We ordered the turn over of the UDF for decontamination purposes for humanitarian relief and aid to the Tropico peoples. There were women and children at those villages dying without clean water. The UDF was turned over to us without a shot being fired. Still no hostility. We took control of the UDF (universal decontamination facility) to provide decontamination relief efforts for BOTH sides. Clean water for Tropico people and decon efforts for Krieger. The only way we could ensure its equal use was to have it under UN control. Negotiations between Tropico and Krieger had already failed drastically, despite repeated attempts. UN intervention was the only way to secure decon right to both sides.

The plan was: After the humanitarian aid was provided to tropico villagers, we were going to return control of the UDF back to Krieger for the purpose of decontaminating their capital city. However, it didn't go as planned. Within minutes of the UDF being turned over to us, the UN unit holding the UDF was attacked, viciously, and in overwhelming numbers, without any warning or provocation, by Krieger forces.

The UN unit was barely able to hold off the attack long enough for their radio operator to get out news of the transgressions and evidence collected to remaining UN forces in the region before being decimated.

The remaining UN forces in the region received the final radio transmission of the UDF unit, which detailed the systematic extermination of villagers by the Krieger government. The last transmission to the remaining UN forces was simple. Kreiger had killed every single member of the UN detachment holding the UDF, violently and without mercy, and he was the only person left alive. A shot rang out mid sentence and radio contact was lost.

A U.N. recon/sniper unit then moved in to visual range and observed the slaughtered remains of the U.N. UDF unit, amidst the Krieger forces taking control of the UDF. An obvious cover up attempt in progress, bodies being hidden while identifying gear was being removed. The U.N. recon element regrouped with U.N. command and informed the commander of the events that had transpired at the UDF, and of the total loss of life of the U.N. UDF unit. In the eyes of the U.N. commander, diplomacy had utterly and totally failed, and the Tropicos peoples right to clean water now superceeded the rights of the Kreiger government that had just slaughtered his UN unit in an attempt to cover up evidence. The remaining UN soldiers in the region joined with Tropico to retake the UDF by force and remove all decon supplies. The effort was an attempt to force Kreiger compliance wiht international law and relief efforts, as well as to reassert UN control in the region and make Kreiger publicly admit to its actions.

Once the barrels representing decontamination supplies had been taken back to tropico and used to restore clean water and decontaminate the surrounding area, some supplies were no longer needed, and at that point, the return of some barrels became an attempt at reopening negotations between the two sides and restoring diplomacy to the region.

Thats the why, when and how of what went on with the barrel tranfers and the swapping of sides during the day, from the perspective of the U.N. units involved. :)

By the way, there were a crapload of tropico villages. The U.N. went through and surveyed them and their supplies to verify the use of aid supplies and the purity of water and food provisions. They were dispersed among 6 or 7 different grid coordinates too.

THATS why. :)

The confusion underscores an essential element that needs to be understood and appreciated in milsim events. The typical soldier in the real world does NOT know every detail of what is going on around them. They only know what they are told, and they can only be told what their commander knows. And generally, they are only told as much as they really NEED to be told, which is drastically less than what the common soldier thinks they need to know. :)

The confusion is inherent in any complex event, which is why intelligence gathering missions are so incredibly vital, and why good communications and updates are so incredibly vital. You are never gonna know EVERYTHING your enemy is doing, especially within the parameters we set up for the two sides involved in this kind of conflict simulation. The technology is simply not available to these two fictional forces. Therefore grunt work, recon elements, and the like are vital roles to be included in planning. It also means that people are going to be standing around wondering what the heck is going on if you don't tell them, or if you can't find out. This is part of a true milsim experience, and the degree of confusion and inversely, knowledge, is relational to your contacts in the field, negotiations, and how much info is passed on down through the ranks. These are all things we cannot control as organizers and as such they are entirely dependant on your own actions for resolution, just as in real life. ;)

I think it makes it more fun, and definately gives some appreciation to the old saying "the fog of war".

Dougrich

03-27-2005, 04:00 PM

I'd like to thank the strikers for an awesome event on behalf of myself and Skyguy. We had a blast.

I'd also like to thank CAR15A2 our fearless leader for sending us on a sucide mission:D :rolleyes: ! i made it a woobing 400 yards away from there hq before being taken prisoner, if it weren't for the un I bit we'd been shoot eventually.

Steamer, Skyguy says thanks again for that Spur Gear his Mps up and running again.

Foxtrot, thank god the Krigers didn't rush us at the end of the assult on the inbound hospitial. You kriegers reading this should call your hits and not be a bunch of jerks and don't this sports no fun, if you don't call your hits.

Tropicos we did a hell of a job once again, but remember the war is not over yet there still more killing ahead.

CAR15A2

03-27-2005, 05:10 PM

The cease fire was a huge misunderstanding. I was told that Munin requested negotiations and he was told I did. I had to move all the way from my headquarters to the udf and beyond to meet with him. Once we both realised the screwup we spewed BS at each other and I headed back. While Munin plotted my demise, I gathered as many of my troops together, resupplied those low on ammo, and immediately attacked.

After we, with the help of the UN, gained many barrels, Punisher requested that I return two barrels to the Kriegers as a "good will" gesture. I did that and the Tropico nation set out to reconstruct our villages. At this time we were repatedly attacked and came close to being overrun several times. We had to stop building villages to defend our headquarters. At that time we had three villages, including our HQ. once the attacks died down, we build more villages for a total of 6, some with more than one barrel. This put the Tropico nation back where we started last year with six secure, uncontaminated villages. There was still an hour left. we expected an all-out push from the entire Krieger force, so we dug in and waited. For some reason, the attack never came and we still held all 6 villages and 8-9 barrels at 5 PM.

Decoy

03-27-2005, 06:10 PM

All in all it was a fun day. Munin, always an honor playing with you and GK. 97th, we we're happy to find a team that works well with us. All of the rest of the teams, it was fun as always.

Tropicos, you put up a hell of a fight.

Originally posted by Dougrich
You kriegers reading this should call your hits and not be a bunch of jerks and don't this sports no fun, if you don't call your hits.

To be fair here, there was enough "sketchy" things going on both sides. Thankfully all of the negetives I saw we're not damaging (i.e. assualts on out-of-bounds hospitals) and were well within the 'normal' negetive kinds of things I see at every game.

Is there any word on the guy who cut his hand?

P90killer

03-27-2005, 07:05 PM

yeah he is one of my buddies that lives really close to me...since they never really read the forums...he got 3 stiches and "had the fat tucked back in" idk i was on my way to a party and that is what he said, so all is well :D

notabob

03-27-2005, 07:07 PM

yeah, us kreigers didnt put up too much of a fight there at the end. i think we were too tired or something. the tropicos did put up a very good fight, especially being that you guys had less guys than us...i think. our recon team of 3 men at the end came across either a village or the tropicos HQ and we were trying to keep a low profile because there were about 3 or 4 trop guys in front of us but two iP guys came up behind us and the other two guys were trying to hide while i was trying to hold them off. needless to say they killed us 3 and then proceeded to try to kill each other. iP took out one or two of the other trops and it took them about 3 or 4 minutes before they figured out they were friendlys and we just stood there and laughed. good game.

Inferno

03-27-2005, 07:09 PM

I had a great time at the event. I too was confused about some of the things that happened. Thanks for clearing that up Aegis. Decoy, I really enjoyed working with you and 6MM. Hope we can do it again soon. Dougrich, I'll second Decoy's statement. I heard a lot of stories about cheating. Some of it may have been misunderstandings as well (like when we were running over the tropico hospital and they were instantly respawning instead of waiting 5 min). Plus, towards the end of the day people get tired and tempers will flare. Overall I think all the "cheating" incidents were handled quite well. I'm looking forward to doing it again.

Zorak

03-27-2005, 08:06 PM

The cease-fire bit still cracks me up. The law of unintended consequences was clearly at work yesterday. I doubt the Strikers expected both sides to recognize the overwhelming advantages of UN cooperation and go out of their way to avoid initiating hostilities. :) I'm hoping that the Russian mafia or some other force with a less goody-goody reputation will be around for Blind Fury 2.

I liked the new magazine and ammo restrictions, but not the loading procedures. It was taking a very long time to turn people around at the Krieger HQ. I suggest letting each squad bring in their own box of BBs and loading tools in the future.

Maybe it's just because I hardly ever hit anyone anyway, but I didn't see any incidents of people not calling hits or otherwise being uncool.

What was up with the people riding their ATVs around during the game?

Thanks to the Strikers for hosting a thoroughly entertaining game. But if you don't let the Kriegers wear Multicam at Blind Fury 2, I'm gonna start holding a grudge. :)

Nosebuckle

03-27-2005, 08:07 PM

The first hour of the scenario had me thinking....well someone really ****ed up the planning, because we (at least my team and some other guys on tropicos) were sitting around, basking and hobnobering with kreiger forces and the U.N., like it was some sort of peace summit. Appearently we were trying to negotiate, and it took a very long time. not exactly a very exciting way to start. But fortunatly this is my only gripe about the day. I wont even complain about the mud, since this is ohio where theres no weather, it just rains.

Fortunatly the negotiations ended and it was pretty much none-stop after that. I was really suprised that almost all of the combat i was involved in took place in only a few spots in the field, that being tropico HQ area, the cliffs, the large river bed and around the Kreiger HQ. But it was lots of fun and appearently we pulled off what we were supposed to do, despite being heavily outnumbered.

as far as rules/cheating incidences, I dont think it was a huge problem, nothing that isnt seen anywhere else. I had no clue what the medic rules were other than waiting 5 minutes before moving off to a hospital. I dont think I liked the rule, because if I know no medic can get to me, i'd rather just head back to the nearest hospital.

Overall, another excellant event by the strikers despite any early hitches; I guess thats how milsim goes sometimes :)

RODENT

03-27-2005, 09:06 PM

Zorak,
The ATVers are not supposed to ride on that side of the field when we are playing. That was my understanding any way. It used to be much worse until we got the cooperation of the land owner. Hopefully that will be taken care of next time. In their defense. One rider supplied the ammo drop for us when the 6X6 had a malfunction.

One question guys. WHO CALLS A CEASE FIRE AT AN AIRSOFT EVENT?
I'm sure you had your reasons but I'll never understand. It gave us a good laugh.

We never expected Krieger to just hand the UDF over to us when we walked in and demanded you leave. Not a shot was fired. I'm glad you guys came back at us. It gave us incentive to get the barrels for the villages. We had guys swimming in the creek for cover, low crawling in the mud and pulling meneuvers to draw fire. It was the most fun I had all day.

Good job everyone.

Slaya360

03-27-2005, 09:28 PM

Thanks Aegis, that clears up a lot. I agree with your comment on the grunts not knowing everything, however, my confusion statement still holds for the Krieger command. After the game ended, I heard Munin's explanation, and the Krieger command definitely didn't know many of the details of what you explained in your post.

Zorak

03-27-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by RODENT
[B]Zorak,
The ATVers are not supposed to ride on that side of the field when we are playing. That was my understanding any way. It used to be much worse until we got the cooperation of the land owner. Hopefully that will be taken care of next time. In their defense. One rider supplied the ammo drop for us when the 6X6 had a malfunction.

Well, that would explain it then. :)

One question guys. WHO CALLS A CEASE FIRE AT AN AIRSOFT EVENT?
I'm sure you had your reasons but I'll never understand. It gave us a good laugh.

I know that I figured that the Strikers playing UN forces were operating like real UN troops, and would come down like a landslide on anyone who started shooting. Our stated objectives were to defend the base and UDF, so I (and I think many other Kriegers) figured that if the cease-fire kept them from settling nearby or coming closer, we were winning at little cost to ourselves. If the Tropicos broke the cease-fire, we'd argue for the UN to intervene against them. Unfortunately they seemed to have had the same idea in reverse.

Thus and therefore, I guess all the Strikers can take the whole demented incident as a compliment to your martial prowess.

solution_zero

03-27-2005, 10:36 PM

The cease-fire was called right before we opened up on a squad of Tropicos "the squad IP was in" coming down the ridge closest to the Kreiger HQ. Half of our squad was lined up on the ridge, and the other half of us were in the creek hugging the embankment. I don't think they noticed us until they got closer, but as we aimed to fire on them we were told by our squad leader there was a cease-fire. We all kind of looked at each other asking "WTF?!?!" :confused: We didn't fire on them and let them walk right by, even having conversations with a few of them. Even though we had them vastly outnumbered and the advantage of cover we still were ordered not to fire. We decided to stalk them and they simply disappeared. Soon afterwards we saw the UN forces walking 100 yards behind us and we were told via radio there were "negotiations" happening. We took up defensive borders, and were soon engaging in firefights with a squad of well-dug in Tropicos our point had discovered. After being killed "both squads pretty much wiped each other out", we returned to the Kreiger HQ to find the U.N. "negotiating." We were asked by Munin to stalk the U.N. forces through the brush "staying out of sight", and that the forces at the Decontamination Zone were to open up on the U.N. before they hit the tree line, trapping them in a cornfield with absolutely no cover and nowhere to run. The plan sounded great, except less than half my squad actually went into the brush to stalk them "making a possible retreat easy for them", and when they reached the tree line they simply walked in and took the Decontamination Zone with not a shot fired. Asking the squad as they retreated out of the woods what happened, they responded they were vastly outgunned and were simply asked to leave by the U.N. Soon after, most of the Kreiger squads regrouped at the HQ and stormed the DZ, taking it over in less than ten minutes. It was held for a long time, fighting off single squads that would attempt to attack. Once it was secured, the squads moved out and up the ridge to flush out the Tropicos. After taking the ridges, a large group of at least 3 squads advanced through the terain to try to find the enemy HQ.
After a long, long hike most of us found ourselves dispanded from our original squads. Grouping with 5 other soldiers who had lost their squad, we stumbled upon a squad of Tropico, and lead a sucessful ambush across the creek. We regrouped with about 2 other squads once across the creek, and continued hiking. We heard distant gunfire, and figured we were close. As we slowly moved through the brush, I looked to my right and saw what appeared to be the bipod of a SAW. Not a second later the leaves all around me flew up and I found myself on my back after catching 20 or so rounds to my legs, chest and head. Everyone around me was down screaming "MEDIC!!!" as they were down too. After being medic'd and killed a couple times more, a medic pulled an "instant death" card while healing me, and I had to walk all the way back to HQ. At least I had someone to talk to. lol.

It was cold and muddy at first, but once in the forest, it was beautiful. It was the closest thing to Hamburger Hill I could ever dream of. The medic system with the cards, the brave medics who used them, and the radio operators made this scenario really realistic. The scenario was the most fun I've ever played, and the plot twisted and changed so fast. Squads and soldiers got lost and confused, and it just added to the fun. It was exhilarating, and I look forward to Blind Fury 2 :D .

BTW If anyone was wondering what I looked like, I was the kid in Kreiger 3rd squad, with the mohawk:)

kwjdklf

03-28-2005, 08:54 AM

Being the UN for this event was a new twist for a game and I hope we learned enough not to bring them back. It is just very tough to be the UN and pick a fight with someone, we had to be engaged first. And that was tough because nobody wanted to engage us. You guys even made a cease fire agreement :eek:

There was 3 moments I will remember for a while.
One was when we decided that we would take the UDF by word or force. We just could not believe that Kreigers just gave it to us without a fight, this place had so much value for them. We just shook hand and they walked out after we agreed to give it back to them when there would be peace between Kreiger and Tropico, and we all know this will never happen. As soon as Kreiger left it to us we knew they would come back strong, and strong they did. We tried to setup a defense perimeter but this place is hard to defend and we were outn umbered about 12 to 40 or more. Blade called it the "Tsunami that swallowed Strikers". lol

My second good moment was when for national betterment of the Tropico we decided to join them against Kreiger, since they anihilated the UN peace keeping mission at the UDF and capture the UDF. That was a fierce combined fight and it was a lot of fun. Kreiger put up a hell of a defense but it just failed to defend it. Tropico then came in and captured all the barrels so they can setup their villages with clean water.

Third moment was not a good moment, but rather a funny one. After we went to Tropico HQ and they had all the barrels we asked them for 2 barrel to give us back to bring to Kreiger as a show of good faith. And they accepted willingly ( I am still trying to figure out why again it was so easy to get them). You guys just did not want to pick a fight with the UN. Anyway from there we got on our long and hard way to the Kreiger HQ with 2 barrels and I warned Munin we about what we were doing. We finally got to the HQ (With only 4 Kreikers defending)and now Kreiger had 5 barrels total at their HQ and none at the UDF. Kreiger started sending their barrels to the UDF and they left us alone at their HQ!!! I could not believe it, we startied joking about how this was not the UN HQ. Then we saw 3 dead Kreigers with red rags on exhausted from walking to thei HQ and then hospital for respwan. When they got about 40 feet from us I asked them if they were aware that this was now a UN territory. The immediate desperation face on them was something you usually pay money for to see. This was hilarious. But after about 15 second I told them I was just kidding. lol

We knew that all day there was eyes on us to maybe engage us or to see us. All we wanted was for someone to start a fight. So if any of you thought you would have surprised us by thinking you were hiding in the wood, we knew you were there probably most of the time. You just would have made our day by firing at us, surprising us or not. :)

Hoping to see you all at BF2.

P90killer

03-28-2005, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Punisher

I could not believe it, we startied joking about how this was not the UN HQ. Then we saw 3 dead Kreigers with red rags on exhausted from walking to thei HQ and then hospital for respwan. When they got about 40 feet from us I asked them if they were aware that this was now a UN territory. The immediate desperation face on them was something you usually pay money for to see. This was hilarious. But after about 15 second I told them I was just kidding. lol

yes punisher that was a very good one minus the fact that once we got outside my engagement distance with the barrels we were seriously just gonna pop a few of you to see how it would affect BF 2....but then we saw munin walk in and that that it might be bad to do that. but hell when you told me that yes i was really about to shoot you :D

*edit* oh and i was the guy with the sniper rifle too;)

notabob

03-28-2005, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Punisher
I could not believe it, we startied joking about how this was not the UN HQ. Then we saw 3 dead Kreigers with red rags on exhausted from walking to thei HQ and then hospital for respwan. When they got about 40 feet from us I asked them if they were aware that this was now a UN territory. The immediate desperation face on them was something you usually pay money for to see. This was hilarious. But after about 15 second I told them I was just kidding. lol

yeah. that was a moment to remember. rodent came over to the other side of us while we were reloading to take a pee and we were like, "hey do you mind if we hold you hostage?" so we had a few laughs. it was an airsoft event so i knew the cease fire would not last, and i was itching to break it. we were gonna pop car15 when we saw him but decided munin may not be protected enough for us to do that.

P90killer

03-28-2005, 11:11 AM

nothin we was gonna lay down in the field just down from where the meeting was taking place and snipe car15 once he was out a bit
:D

Grease Man

03-28-2005, 12:01 PM

I had a great time. Thanks Strikers for putting it on, as usual they did a great job and added new interesting twists.

Jacko,
It was fun negotiating with you. I like how we both thought each others commanders wanted to meet, then when they finally met it was pure aquardness.

Congrats to the krieger who snuck behind a bunch of us and surrendered about 6 of us. We appreciated you not unloading on us.

Thanks everyone for a fun day.

Jacko

03-28-2005, 01:03 PM

It was a lot of fun for me as well, Grease Man. It was the absolute last thing I expected and I'm still chuckling thinking about it.

Punisher, now you know why we gave up the UDf without a fight! The seven of us wouldn't have stood a chance defending the western flank against a stronger force. There just weren't enough big treees among the mud and wallows to hide behind. :)

Munin

03-28-2005, 02:35 PM

NoseBuckle, the 5-minute is absolutely essential to keep the balance of the game in play. If you can just walk out as soon as you're hit, it makes hospitals essentially impossible to capture (which happened to us when we were attacking the Tropico inbounds hospital). People just put their red rag on, walk 20 feet, tag back in, and start shooting again. That makes hospitals essentially invulnerable, and we saw that on Saturday. Our attack finally faltered simply because we ran out of ammunition because your guys were respawning so fast.

In your defense, some of our guys had the same misunderstanding. I know I told a couple of Kreigers to sit down and wait when I saw them do the same thing. I chalk this up to simple rules confusion, and it happens. Hopefully people will know better for the next game.

To Generalissimo CAR15A2, the negotiations were a total hoot. The funniest thing about that whole thing was that even though nobody really expects a cease fire in an airsoft operation, both of us took advantage of it by moving our forces or reconnoitering the opponent's territories. We also planned a hellacious ambush for the proposed swap of the 3 barrels, but you broke the cease fire before we could get everything in place. It turned the UN against you, but in the long run it was probably the lesser of two evils.

As for the reasons for us turning on the UN, Aegis's story represents the "in-character" account of what went on. Here's the "out-of-character" story: The Kreigers outnumbered the Tropico forces fairly severely and early on were doing a very good job of protecting our objectives. Between the numerical superiority and the surprise cease-fire, there wasn't a lot of action going on. People were getting restless. I knew that the UN was trying to pick a fight, and I knew it was only a matter of time before they sided with the Tropicos to even up the numbers and mix up the situation (much like they did as the Russians at the end of Blind Fury). So I made a command decision: blast the Strikers and get the game rolling hot. It worked like a charm, because after we hammered them at the UDF, they teamed up with the Tropicos and gave back what they got in spades. From that point on, pretty much everyone was engaged in combat, which is why people come to these games.

We could have done a lot of things to "ensure victory." We could have sat on the barrels at the HQ all day and only moved them to the UDF at the end. We could have maintained the cease fire and tried to keep the UN on our side. We could have hidden the barrels in the field and only brought them out at the end. All of these things would have resulted in us doing a much better job of accomplishing our objectives. They also would have resulted in people not having a whole lot of fun. It's part of my job as a force commander to make sure that my people get the opportunity to mix it up, shoot people, pull off sneaky ambushes, and most importantly have fun. And that's exactly what I did.

For the most part, I think that the Kreiger force did an outstanding job. Pretty much everybody did what I asked them to do and did it well. I know that sometimes not knowing what's going on is frustrating, but it's also MilSim. Everyone did their part, everyone contributed, and I hope that everyone got a big enough piece of the action to make the trip worthwhile. I know I did, even though I didn't get to shoot a whole lot.

Tropicos, give yourselves a pat on the back. You are worthy adversaries. Even though you were outnumbered you kept fighting, and you were tenacious as hell in the defense of your HQ and hospital. When one of my medics drew an "instant death" card on me and I had to walk all the way across the field back to my hospital to re-enter the game, I saw how many guys you had up in those cliffs and ridges and was duly impressed. And I was equally proud of the Kreigers that managed to fight through that treacherous, enemy-filled terrain.

Long story short (I know, too late): I had a blast. I look forward to Blind Fury 2. :)

CAR15A2

03-28-2005, 03:24 PM

I want to say, with all due respect, that the "instant respawn at the Tropico hospital" myth is growing each time I hear it. I was present for that entire fight, and I believe that perhaps a small number of people did that, but I did not see it happen at all. In fact, we used our interior lines to bring most of two squads out of their positions to reinforce the HQ, which was directly behind the hospital. I did see several Tropicos that were killed elsewhere, waited the required 5 minutes, and then instantly respawned upon reaching the hospital. Our team checked with Blade twice at the beginning of the game, and that was indeed the rule that he set.

Again, I'm not saying it did not happen at all, but I did not see it happen, I was present for 100% of that fight, and it seems to grow with retelling each time it is recounted.

While I was lying dead for five minutes before returning to the hospital I had to remind a dead Kreiger squad leader to stop directing his squad twice, since "dead men tell no tales". I had no intention of bringing that or other questionable things that I observed up at all. The repeated and growing legend of the instant respawn has forced me to change my mind.

Besides all that, I had a great time and thought Kriegers, once again, proved worthy adversaries. The "negotiations" were a hoot. When Munin asked me what I wanted I was dumbfounded. I thought he wanted to talk to me! I spent the walk back trying to figure out how to get back into the fight with a large push, but everywhere I went I saw MORE KRIEGERS. There sure were a lot of you guys (and gals).

Punisher, I let you take back those two barrels because
A. I did not realize how many more barrels were out there (I thought we had them all).
B. I wanted to keep good relations with the UN in case it would make a difference at Blind Fury II
C. I was afraid you would join forces with the Kriegers if I didn't give them to you.
We had only one full squad, and three partial squads, plus one sniper team. Another full squad against us and we would have no chance at all. Giving back the barrels was an attempt to stay alive despite our weakness. And apparently it worked, Tropico now has 6 villages instead of only one.

Zorak

03-28-2005, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by CAR15A2
While I was lying dead for five minutes before returning to the hospital I had to remind a dead Kreiger squad leader to stop directing his squad twice since "dead men tell no tales".

Good for you.

I may be alone, but one of my little peeves is people who do nothing about bad behavior during the op but then complain about it afterward. I accept that there are times when confronting someone during an Op is impossible or ill-advised, but complaining after the damage is done is almost a waste of everyone's time. Prompt correction works best.

HardLock

03-28-2005, 04:33 PM

I obviously wasn't out in the field during the "instant hospital respawn" incident/myth, but let me say from an organizers point-of-view, BOTH sides made a mistake. When killed, a soldier was supposed to remain in place for 5min so that a medic or capturing force could reach them. If unreachable, the player was supposed to report back to the inbound hospital.

Here's where the confusion obviously took place. Upon reaching the inbound hospital, the player DOES instantly respawn IF the hospital is secure. If the inbound hospital is being over run or under attack, that hospital is void and players should have reported to the OUTBOUND hospital instead. OUTBOUND hospitals are NOT attackable and therefore give players a safe respawn point if INBOUND hospital is under attack. Either we didn't explain that clearly enough or some players neglected to read the posted rules on Airsoft Events.

In either case, we will make sure it is clear next time. Sorry for the confusion.

Munin

03-28-2005, 04:45 PM

You're not alone. I'll echo Zorak in saying good for you, CAR. The whole "dead men not telling tales" thing is frustrating for us as commanders (especially when we want to help direct our troops to victory), but I too am scrupulous about it.

On the whole, every firefight I participated in or observed had everyone on both sides behaving with honor, which made the day very enjoyable.

CAR15A2

03-28-2005, 04:49 PM

Hardlock,

Well, in that case we definately F#@&ed up. Actually I should have known better, but I thought it had to be overun to cease functioning as a hospital. I now remember reading the hospital was defunct when under fire, but that was a couple months ago. But that's not an excuse, so I accept responsibility.

Dante

03-28-2005, 05:05 PM

about that cease fire; squad 2 (97th and 6mm militia) were on partol when we saw some of team tac up on a ridge and we all got cover and inferno and i did some recon becuase we had scoped weapons. decoy told us to setup an ambush and they would flank around even tho there was an "official" cease fire. well the rest of the 97th and i were in the brush next to a creek bed and pretty soon like 20 tropico swarmed our position. despite some glances over at us i thought we were well hidden. inferno called us to rally and have a conference about what to do because he couldnt raise decoy on the radio. pretty soon a tropico grunt came around a tree and we headed out. as we were leaving a few shots rang out in our direction and then a large firefight ensued.

i did have a great time at the event and cant wait for bf2.

ShadowOP

03-28-2005, 05:16 PM

I just had to point out that in my opinion, the funniest part of the day was when i was about to patch up some other guy and Munin asked me to "heal my commander first" so he could talk on the radio. yeah, i'm the guy that did that, and i'm very sorry i killed you Munin, but you hafta admit, whoever it was that said "maybe you shoulda let the other guy go first" gave us a pretty good laugh. well, at least after the game it did. and don't feel bad, i had to walk back also not too long after that. things got real crazy and hectic around then, Tropicos tryin to take our hill!

I also wanna say that, although it was intimidating at first, i think the mud just added to the whole experience. This was my first game in Ohio, and with an AEG, and it was so much better than i had expected. it was amazing how the lack of comfort just made things more fun. if i was at home i'd think i'd be complaining, but out there we just had to deal with it(I even dove into that creek once to avoid enemy fire, something i didn't imagine i would have done)

Overall, i'd say that this was an extremely amazing experience and i will certainly be back(with a vengeance) Blade, Strikers, well done.

by the way, I accidently took the medic cards home with me! :o sorry! i hope i can find some way to arrange their safe return...but i can't say the same for the case they were in...that thing got banged up and cracked drom heavy use during the game. maybe to make up for it i'll make a new case for you(whoever it belongs to)

Zorak

03-28-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by HardLock
When killed, a soldier was supposed to remain in place for 5min so that a medic or capturing force could reach them. If unreachable, the player was supposed to report back to the inbound hospital.

That's still a little unclear, though. Does "unreachable" mean that the player has waited the full five minutes and not been reached, or does it mean that the player knows no medic will appear? There are always times when you're far from reinforcements and your medic has been eliminated, so you're as sure as you can be that you're not going to get treatment.

I assume it means the former, in which case I suggest rephrasing it. How about this?

"When eliminated, a soldier must remain in place for 5min so that a medic or capturing force might reach them. If no medic treats you and no enemy player captures you after five minutes, report back to a hospital. Note that 'in place' does not have to be taken completely literally - a player may take 1-2 steps if and only if necessary to avoid being in the immediate line of fire."

strikers_blade

03-28-2005, 05:47 PM

Zorak and all, here is what we had written on www.airsoftevents.com;

- If for any reasons a player do not want to be threated by a medic, he will have to wait on site for 5 minutes and then, return to his inbound hospital.

- As soon as shot, you have to sit down with your red rag on the head and then wait for medic. If a medic do not reach you within 5 minutes, you can then return to your regen point.

As far as I know, it is clear that players cannot move within 5 minutes after being shot.

As far as the way in the inbound hospital should have been used, here is another thing;

If an Hospital is overrun, all players having
to regen will need to regen from the "out of bound" regen, which will be indicated on map.

As Hardlock mentionned though, we probably did not clarify enough what being "overrun" really meant and this is why I specifically said to Tropicos before starting the event that as long as the team was still in control of the hospital, it was usable.

Does it make more sense now?

raptor8390

03-28-2005, 05:54 PM

To every one involved on saturday. I HAD A BLAST! just to let you know. Some friends of mine in the 97th let me tag along for the day. My first airsoft event turned out to be a blast. Little slow at times but fun none the less. I will be back thats for sure. I just hope my buddy's in the 97th let me join with them so i can be a part of team instead of a lone ranger. But yeah thanks to every one for making my first airsoft event great.

Zorak

03-28-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by strikers_blade

Does it make more sense now?

It always made sense to me. :) The trick is to always present it in an equally unambiguous fashion, so that even the most agitated player will understand that he has to wait.

Mikonos

03-28-2005, 07:12 PM

Greaseman, That was me. It was a hard debate on weather or not to shoot but i figured that since i krept all the way there that id just do it right and im glad that you guys were honest enough to atleast be healed by a medic. It was an intresting attack though because the guy that was all the way behind you that shot the guy that was with me stayed where he was for a while and just took pop shots over my head so i stayed curled up in a ball and just waited (i was in the most uncomfy postion for like 10 min cause i was just waiting for the right moment) then your guy walked down the path and i poked my head out and didnt see anyone in the immeadiate vacinity so i krept very slowly thinking that every step of the way that one of you guys were sure to turn around and just clobber me but you didnt and then i couldnt resist getting as close as possible. oh and by the way the look on your guy's faces was amazing. it was a oh **** where the hell did he come from!?!?!?!!?

Prose

03-28-2005, 09:04 PM

Too funny, Mikonos, I was the guy that had just told grease man and the others to watch there backs as kreiger was up on the ridge. I moved down to another rock and then heard someone yell freeze and grease man said "oh ****". That is when I jumped up and shot the guy who I thought called the freeze. I did stay there for like ten minutes but got 4 more kreiger kills before I retreated down the hill. I never knew you were there...

Gryphon

03-28-2005, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by ShadowOP
I just had to point out that in my opinion, the funniest part of the day was when i was about to patch up some other guy and Munin asked me to "heal my commander first" so he could talk on the radio. yeah, i'm the guy that did that, and i'm very sorry i killed you Munin, but you hafta admit, whoever it was that said "maybe you shoulda let the other guy go first" gave us a pretty good laugh.

Being the "other guy", I was happy to have missed the death card :D

I thought it very polite of Munin to apologize for stepping in front of me in the "medic line"...being that he was the commander and all. Just goes to show that power doesn't go to everyones head. Too bad he got the death card though.

Grease Man

03-28-2005, 10:32 PM

Yes Mikonos you scared the **** out of me, I was very happy to surrender rather than turing around and seeing a line of BBs heading for me that close. However; I'm still unclear as to what the rules regarding our situation were. You surrendered us and a second later Prose shots you. So are we still dead? We decided to judge on the side of caution and wait for a medic (you did deserve the kills for getting that close and scaring the crap out of all of us)

Mikonos

03-28-2005, 10:45 PM

i agree im unsure as to the rules as well... that is primairly why i didnt say a word while you guys were figuring it out... but maybe something we need to hash out for future engagments :)

Aegis

03-29-2005, 12:04 AM

I can't speak to the rules, as far as I'm aware, the rules for surrendering are interpreting the situation. But how I would interprete the situation, as an outsider, was that the kills were valid.

The situation was thus, if I'm reading correctly. One guy had a good line of sight and could have easily pulled the trigger and killed a bunch of people had he chosen to. Bottom line, he had the sight, he had the distance, he had the target, and there was no way they could have reacted in time to preserve themselves.

He decided out of good will to not shoot at such close range and instead call the people out. This action of calling out caused him to give away his position and alert other enemies in the area who were unaware of his presence to gain him as a target and neutralize him.

Were it not for his verbal call for surrender, he would not have died before being able to execute his plan at killing the group. Therefore, the group should be dead no matter what. Either by calling surrender or by firing shots, the group would have died, and by either action, the caller himself would have subsequently given away his position and been killed after the fact.

So yes, the group is dead no matter what, and unfortunately, no matter what, the guy is giving away his position to every other baddy around him and will probably die afterward because of it.

Think of it this way. Calling surrender to enemy A means you give your position away and allow enemy B, who otherwise would not have been aware of your position, to take aim and kill you before you have an opportunity to kill enemy A. If the call for surrender is negated by you being killed quickly thereafter, there is no point to having a surrender rule, because everytime you do it, you give your position away to every enemy within a 100 yards and you will quickly die thereafter. This means people will NOT call for surrender (why would you if it means you will die and the people you COULD have killed get to stay alive?). This means a LOT of close range engagements (like this one) will happen because people are afraid of their call for surrender not being honored because they are giving their position away and are suddenly very vulnerable.

To me, it is clear cut, the guy had the drop, he could have wiped out a group had he pulled down the trigger, there's nothing that could have been done to prevent it. Therefore, the group is dead. The fact that he was willing to be nice and not shoot at close range should be honored and respected. By respecting the fact that someone got the drop on you and was gutsy enough to call you out with a surrender instead of stitching you at close range, means you will continue the good sportsman like conduct of prevent close range engagements that can cause serious pain a nd injury. By negating the honor of the person who tries to do the right thing, you encourage close range engagements and getting shot from behind from 5 feet away.

Personally, I'd rather call myself out in compliance with a request for surrender from someone who really and truly DID get the drop on me, that be shot at close range. I'd also perfer to be able to call a surrender and have it honored by a person who I clearly have the drop on and would die were I to chose to pull the trigger. Especially when that person is closer than I would like to shoot but who is still legally within my MED. I don't like hurting people, thats not why I'm out there. given the option, I will always call people out. But if it won't be honored, I certainly will not give away my position without opening fire and killing those I otherwise would be able to.

Get my drift?

In the spirit of this, I have agreed to very questionable surrenders many many times. I may have disagreed with the person over how much control they had over the situation versus my own control over the situation, and therefore the eligibility of their call for surrender, but I still called myself out and agreed to the surrender in the spirit of good sportsmanship and wanting to help ensure the surrender rule (and therefore the close range safety of EVERYONE out there) stays alive in the games.

So, anyway, thats my interpretation of events, and how I like to see the surrender rule honored and upheld. If you think of it from the perspective of how many times you could have been shot and how nice it was of that person to try to spare you that pain and how much it would reduce close range instances, i think everyone would agree that you should do what you can to honor the surrender rule.

Now, don't take this as me saying you should never question it, as that would lead to abuse of the whole concept of the surrender rule, with people calling surrenders on entire squads from 30 feet away with cover in between. Surrender should only be used when you clearly and irrevocably have control of the situation and have the element of total surprise and could, if you chose to, at that very moment, pull the trigger and eliminate another person, at close range (up to 10-15 feet away), without them having any chance to react or see you coming. If you don't have all of those things working for you, I don't think you should call a surrender, because another factor may influence the situation and you may not have as much control as you think you do. I also don't think surrender should be called on a group larger than 3. 4 is questionable, and only if you've REALLY got the upper hand. But i think 3 people at most should be called out using the surrender rule unless you've got something remarkable going for you. A lot of people have DAMN good relaxes and if you were to actually engage a group of 4 people, by the time you got to shooting the 4th, that 4th might have jumped behind cover or had enough time from the first shot to react and return accurate fire.

Thats my take on the surrender system, and when and where and why and how it should be used, and when not as well.

In the situation on hand, it was clear that he could have killed, therefor, surrender should be honored. :)

Again, this is only my interpretation of the rules and how i think they should be implemented and respected. I am not questioning anyone, or saying anyone's decisions were right or wrong. I was not present and cannot say to one side or the other certainty. But this is how I apply the use of the system in my game.

:)

Fat Tony

03-29-2005, 01:06 AM

To echo almost everyone else: I had a great time, both sides fought well, I look forward to Blind Fury 2 and the ultimate Krieger victory that is sure to result.

The cease-fire negotiations were pretty funny. I had the good fortune of being right there as one of Munin's two chosen "bodyguards" :D for the negotiation. The discussion of mysterious U.N. resolutions really got nothing accomplished, but it was still funny. A question to Munin that I didn't think of until later: Weren't we supposed to be denying the fact that we poisoned Tropico's wells? When this was openly admitted to the Tropico commander in front of the UN advisors I was a little confused. Maybe I misunderstood the storyline. But after all, they were Krieger villages...

And Punisher, I was one of the 4 Kriegers defending the HQ when you guys rolled up en masse with the barrels. I had just come back down from the campground (emergency anti-fog) and as I was walking across the field back to our HQ, I saw just 3 Kriegers at the HQ and 12+ UN approaching with the barrels. I couldn't get anyone on the radio and had no idea what was going on. I asked one of the guys at the HQ what was going on and he said that we were not to engage the UN unless fired upon. None of the Kriegers at the HQ knew what was going on at the UDF and all the UN guys seemed to laugh when I asked them the status of the UDF. Either way, I didn't trust you shady characters :D and didn't like my chances at the HQ if you guys decided to be less than friendly. So after you guys rolled up and started reloading and making yourselves at home, I decided I was going to risk it going alone to the UDF rather than stand idly by and be executed for "war-crimes" by the UN.

One of the other Kriegers at the HQ accompanied me to the UDF. Upon arrival at the UDF, I was most definitely creeped out. There was nothing there. No barrels, no troops, no flags, no distant voices or gunfire. Nothing. It was a ghost town. We wandered around for a while and found more nothing until we bumped into the other two Kriegers who stayed at the HQ. I naturally assumed some more Kriegers had returned to the HQ, but apparently not. Anyway, our squad of 4 wandered for another long while until we heard gunshots in the distance. We headed for the firing and found a Krieger squad (I believe 6mm) who was half-decimated and nearly out of ammo fighting with some well-dug in Tropicos. Some of the funnier things I heard while approaching was "I've got a shot up here if somebody with some ammo wants to take it!!!" and "time for a knife kill charge!" Either way we were under sporadic fire from Tropico forces from down the path. I took up a defensive position laying off the path in some brush, trying to keep down the head of the enemy. I sat and watched as small groups from both sides charged to their demise. Two of the guys I had been wandering with were firing from behind the same tree about 10 feet to my right and were eliminated in short order. The Tropicos that killed them assumed that we were all dead and started down the path, wandering right into my line of fire and allowing me to easily eliminate three of them before I was hit with about 2 million bb's from the ones who hadn't moved up. I waited a few minutes and then walked back to the Krieger HQ with one of the 6mm guys.

Upon arriving at the Krieger inbound hospital and respawning, I linked up with the other three guys from team STAT (We were squad 4, which fit well since there was only four of us!) Munin announced that there was only 30 minutes left in the game and he would be taking the Kriegers on a last ditch assault. Munin assigned STAT the precious task of defending the 5 crucial barrels that were now unprotected at the UDF. Intel had it that a small Tropico squad was hauling a$$ towards the UDF to make off with the barrels. STAT hussled to the UDF and set up a defensive perimeter around the barrels and waited. And waited. And waited. After at least 20 minutes of seeing and hearing absolutely nothing, I called my guys to meet at the barrels and explained that there was only a few minutes left in the game and I didn't think anyone was interested in taking our barrels. So we sat and BS'ed for a while until Krieger forces showed up (and I explained what a feat of strategy and willpower it was for us to defend the UDF against such staggering opposition :rolleyes: ) Either way, final count on the barrels was 350 points, which meant that we did not complete our objectives. Now I look forward to Blind Fury 2, in which Krieger will have to regain control of the now rebuilt Tropico villages in a bid for our true sovereignty.

All in all it was a great day, with the exception of a few times where I could swear I hit someone (I know, I know) and they didn't call it. I can't wait until Blind Fury 2! Hail Krieger!!!

CAR15A2

03-29-2005, 07:25 AM

Aegis,

That is also my understanding of the surrender rule.

Slaya360

03-29-2005, 08:06 AM

When I sat down to my MRE, there were a decent number of kriegers to defend me while I ate at the Krieger base. Then about halfway through, I looked around and noticed everyone left, it was just me and Dante left to defend the Krieger base. I finished everything but my pumpkin pound cake when I noticed movement in the treeline. Dante and I frantically readied ourselves for combat, as they approached and I radioed in requesting the status of the UN and possible immediate backup to the HQ. They didn't seem hostile as they strolled up, kicking two barrels. We thought they may have found the russian vodka as they started their barrel kicking race:) . I climbed on top of the mud mound and readied myself in a defensive position just incase. I didn't quite expect the UN to just be friends again after we just finished slaughtering eachother at the UDF.

Anyway, after we saw that they were friendly, we decided that the barrels should be transported to the UDF. I didn't notice that you had already left for the UDF Fat Tony, if I had I would have had you take one of the barrels with you:D . Those things were just boatloads of fun to carry. At that point I knew why the Strikers were kicking and rolling them rather than carrying them. As far as leaving you at the base, We were ready to die trying to retake the base. As we were rolling the barrels away, we saw the UN flag go up, but figured as long as our flag didn't go down, we wouldn't have to fight to get back into our base.

Originally posted by Dante
about that cease fire; squad 2 (97th and 6mm militia) were on partol when we saw some of team tac up on a ridge and we all got cover and inferno and i did some recon becuase we had scoped weapons. decoy told us to setup an ambush and they would flank around even tho there was an "official" cease fire. well the rest of the 97th and i were in the brush next to a creek bed and pretty soon like 20 tropico swarmed our position. despite some glances over at us i thought we were well hidden.

One note on that, most of us were well hidden...I had some decent visual cover from the tropico that we were planning on ambushing, but I never expected the 20+ tropico to come walking in from my six, from the direction of our HQ. At first, when just 2-3 came walking by, I thought they may have been prisoners that were returning to base, then came the rest. At that time I didn't know there was a ceasefire, and I was slightly confused as to why they didn't shoot at me as they passed, because, as low as I was, and of all of the small thoughts that I was thinking, all that I had to hide me from that direction was grass. If they didn't see me, I feel kinda bad for fight a war against the blind.

Bullfrog54

03-29-2005, 08:20 AM

Thanks Blade and All Strikers,

It was an absolute blast tagging along at this event. This was my first experience with the Krieger and Tropico scenerio and what a hostile territory it was. I was really impressed how well everybody stayed in their roles and made the event what it was. I do not think I have seen a forum thread with such long insights, the plot is definitely thickening. I am sorry that I had to bail but Mr. Murphy was reaking havoc on my goggles and my dayquil was wearing off fast. I know, I know nothing but lame thank god it wasn't my A-game. If I could make one suggestion I think the plot could use some mobsters in it, corruption always leads to carnage. Thanks again all.

Carry On!

Bullfrog

Magic Cook

03-29-2005, 10:17 AM

Thanks Team Striker for that ****ing good Game! It was a blast for me, because it was my 2. Game with the God like Team IP! Perfect and I see forward to the next Game. Thanks Guys
cya
The almost crazy German

Glaeken

03-29-2005, 04:07 PM

Did someone say Mobsters?

We will all have to wait for the official word from Blade, of course.

But, perhaps there is enough of a power vacuum, if indeed the UN has decided to pull out of the region, that would entice the Russian Mafia to again raise it's fearsome head.;)

notabob

03-29-2005, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Glaeken
Did someone say Mobsters?

We will all have to wait for the official word from Blade, of course.

But, perhaps there is enough of a power vacuum, if indeed the UN has decided to pull out of the region, that would entice the Russian Mafia to again raise it's fearsome head.;)

so instead of civilian clothes, you all have to wear suits and leather jackets.

Prose

03-29-2005, 08:14 PM

CAR15A2, Our compliments from Team-iP. Job well done again!

stewb_10

03-29-2005, 08:19 PM

any info on counter-strike blade? 2 weeks from saturday isnt it?

nextmayor

03-30-2005, 08:32 AM

Blade / All Strikers:

To start with, I was sick all week leading up to this event. That combined with the mud I saw pulling in immediately put me in a bad mood. However, once I got in the field, it all got better. Thanks for putting on a solid event. In the AM I was mainly pulling guard duty, but around lunch things kicked in. TAC mad a couple of pushes down towards the UDF and upper ridge. I got shot both times (as well as our medic) and had to hoof it back to the hospital. Being sick that really did me in and I was beat. After that though we focused on assembling and protecting the villages. Did a couple of pushes to clear out some bad guys and I had a blast.

Additionally, sorry to hear about the 6 wheeled vehicle going down. That sounded like a cool element for the game. I also appreciated the Strikers' attempts to overcome that malfunction and resupply the 2 forces. About the time Blade for some ammo to the Tropico HQ, the game really turned around.

I also really like the limits on ammo and mags. I understand the problems with the resupply, but I have to say that I still enjoyed the crewman role used last year. Keep working on those ideas, because I think they are adding a lot to your events.

CAR15, good job! Keep up the great track record as a CO. As for the rest of the Tropico force, it was nice working with you. Additionally, I want to thank my TAC team mates for pushing me to continue all day. There were times when I really felt crappy and you guys kept me going.

Krieger, you really had us jumping. There were quite a few times when I thought the game was lost. You guys really kept the pressure up. Thanks for being such a worthy opponent.

In closing, I'd like to thank everybody. I personally saw very little cheating or poor sportsmanship. Even despite my bad attitude (see above) at the begining of the day, I really did have a good time. Thanks for all the effort that went into putting this event on.