OP: PLUTONIUM BOMBER - Springfield, OH May 15

[Prose]

Thanks to the Strikers for putting on this event. That mud made it a slow day - milsim. It appears that both teams Kreigers and Tropicos accomplished some of their missions - Good Job. My compliments go to the Tropico squad leaders, Lynx, KamikaziRunner, Rodent & Glaeken, Shatofo, for working like a team as best as possible. With the size of the field, weather conditions and the fact that most of us just met that morning we did have some success.

Blade I will send you a PM with some details/comments on the event. It appears that we still need to get some players to carry a red death flag. Respawn from the parking lot had some big issues. And I think do to the field size and the fact that a lot of yellow tape, colored flags, poles and other stuff is all around - for Operation Blind Fury we need more, bigger, new delineation of what an objective site is and a team home base is. Also the maps are outstanding, but some of the players are new to the field and I have been there like 4 times, you still get lost. Maybe if a few sections were marked so squads could get bearings that would help, give hope.

As for iP we had a blast, thank you. The milsim experience is getting better with each event that Blade and the Strikers hold at Springfield. The organizers and the players are morphing into the concept, which is great news as each event will only get better and better.

Maybe at Operation Blind Fury we can settle this war between Tropicos and Kreigers.

[Namboose]

Great game today everyone. Thanks to Blade for putting on this event, I’m really into the whole milsim opposed to just shooting each other at Franbar Park. As Prose remarked it was quite difficult to differentiate between a random red flag, and the objective flag. Other than that, and getting a stick up my nose (yes, that’s right) I had a great day.

[Blitz[ip]]

Yeah I had a great time. I've never spent 5 hours in a single game before lol. Thanks to strikers for organizing, you did a very good job. Also thanks to my fellow iP teammates as well as all the other teams there, you all did a great job. Im looking forward to settling the score at blind fury

[Stealth_Cow]

It was fun except the cold rain sucked. Funniest thing happened to me tho. I got separated from my sqaud and i have a stock p90 only to come across about 13 Tropicos lol. So feeling that a respawn would be a great idea i sneak up on the guy in the rear and shoot him from about 30-40ft. Shouts of Sniper went up and almost laughed my position away. but i got shot anywas when they came for me lol.

--Shade--

[Grease Man]

I had a great time inspite of all the falling in the mud, a boulder rolling over my knee, and turing my MG36 into an MG36 Carbine (thanks to a broken stock and outer barrell from a nasty fall.

I would like to congratulate team; ip, on staying in the field for 5 hours straight, and taking no lunchbreaks in order to accomplish the mission.

[J Teezy]

any pictures taken?

[P90killer]

i loved the day except the rain and the cold. but the kriegers team was alot of fun to play on. especialy when our team (DEA) and i am going to want to say stormblade and the 86th(with the box) ran into a crazy a$$ mo-fo that decide to run up the path we were walking and knife kill all of us until he came up to me and another guy and we both shot him. so that was the second craziest thing that happened. and then at the end, when almost all of the Kriegers company assulted the big brush in the middle of the field and then forced the opp. forces back into the woods, until they finally got the box. it was good over all and thanks to blade and all the Strikers that helped put on the event.

[Blade]

First of all, I would like the Thanks all of you for showing even if the Weather really sucked. We got 84 players and quite frankly, I'm very surprised and happy for this. Without you, the event wouldn't have been the same.

Now more serious things.

1. Some players removed their goggles in the field
You guys have been warned several times by other players and you kept doing. Next time you will be caught, you will be kick out of future event. I think we were clear enough, no excused anymore.

2. Some players got some fun shooting at the red truck in the corn field
I don't have to give names but you know who you are. Please don't waste your time coming back to an event, we don't want to see you anymore. I know the truck was really old but still, it belong to someone that is graciously offering his field for us. If you can't respect his belongings, he doesn't have to respect you either. For that reason, you are not welcome back in his field. Although, if you really think you don't deserve this punishment, please Private message me and we will see what has to be done.

Now, For all of you that really made this event great, I really would like to apologize for few things. First of, don't ask me to apologize for the weather, I can't :D . What I can do though is apologizing for some confusion during the event.

I do agree, I should have marked the boxes more clearly. Even if the squad leader were really clear about what had to be done, I shouldn't have assumed it would be respected or worst, forgotten. Few solutions have been brought up and the problem (if we use this system again) shouldn't happen anymore.

An other thing is communication. I do also agree that without efficient communication, it was easy to get lost and not knowing what had to be done. Is it a player's wish to use better com or just the fact that we cannot rely that much on comm for such event? you guys tell me. I heard people saying that they had to turn their radio off because it was useless/overused. At that point, you were pretty much screwed.

An other thing. newbie and veteran do not mix well together. Well, I have no idea what to do about this but I heard several players saying they got basically abandonned by their leaders. What can be done about this?

I have more to say but need more feedback.
All in all, I'm very happy so far. Even if nothing was perfect, it seems like you took it all the right way. If not and you don't want to post publicly, please OM me, I'm not a monster ...just a Canadian ;)

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

Originally posted by P90killer
when our team (DEA) and i am going to want to say stormblade and the 86th(with the box) ran into a crazy a$$ mo-fo that decide to run up the path we were walking and knife kill all of us until he came up to me and another guy and we both shot him.

I was one of those knife killed, and I would like to say that was very lame. The guy who knife killed us sat on the hill for five minutes calling medic. When we got there, he was wearing woodland bdu pants, and an off-color woodland bdu field jacket (the uniform for the kriegers). Our squad lead called our medic up to the front. The "wounded" soldier then asked, "So you guys are Kriegers right?" someone responed in the affirmative, and then he lept up, and knife killed seven people.

Why did this bother me? In a game of honor, this player was deceptive, feigning death, out of team uniform, and then knife killed me and six of my team mates. I later asked one of the Strikers about rules on knife kills, and was informed that there were no knife kills.

Other than this, I did enjoy the day except for the rain and mud, and the majority of the day was pretty good times.

[almega]

after talking with frank EXHAUSTIVELY over the past few days about the new event, i'd just like to let everyone know that PB shouldnt foreshadow anything in BF. (bf = blind fury, pb = plutonium bomber)

They are completely different games, BF wont even have any objectives that build on each other. (i.e. wrong box being picked up).

franks getting tons of info up on the site today and i'm getting a 'proper' english translation of this up on the 86th's site. (lets face it, you will be able to understand me better and i'll have plenty of pics to looks at !! lol)

all in all yeah i saw tons of goggle cleaning going on in the field when i was walking it. i couldnt play because of a severe sunburn so i walked around and observed quite a bit. Past experience tells me that there will always be much more of this during a rainy game. (im not justifying it, just making observations)

also there wasnt a respawn, i think this is the cause of quite a bit of hassle, that and decoy seemed to have a self imposed snafu. its ok, we still love ya

- Allen


... we do still love decoy...... right ? :confused: ;)

[Lynx]

when our team (DEA) and i am going to want to say stormblade and the 86th(with the box) ran into a crazy a$$ mo-fo that decide to run up the path we were walking and knife kill all of us until he came up to me and another guy and we both shot him.

OK, I was the as you say "crazy mo-fo" (I will take that as a compliment) who knife killed all those guys carrying the box. If you think it was lame, well thats too bad for you, I don't know what to tell you. I thought it was legitimate in the situation. As for the rules, it seemed like every single person I talked to in order to get a rule clarified gave a different answer. This caused a lot of confusion and problems, and I don't mean just about the knife kills rules (I didn't know that there was not a knife kill rule, and that is the way its usually played). This confusion also applies to respawn, and about what a wounded/dead player is alowed to communincate.

As Almega just demonstrated, many people were confused about the respawn rules. I also thought there was no respawn, and after that knife killing incident after I was shot I sat there for a long time because I didn't know there was respawn until someone said it on the radio to me, when I kept on calling for medic. Also, I did not know were were alowed to pass information besides asking for medic on the radio, so I didn't then mention that I saw the box. The other squads I was asking to send their medic over did not know that the box was there, and maybe because of that they didn't send help and instead told us to go respawn. If I had known we were allowed to pass intel besides just asking for medic when shot, we may have captured that box easily since at the time most of the Kriegers that were guarding the box were incapacitated by my sambo skills. I am not sure why I wasn't recognized as a hostile, because my BDU is nothing like a US woodland BDU. Perhaps it was the rain, and the BDUs being all wet and the masks being all fogged that contributed to this IFF issue this time. Or perhaps it all goes to show that separating teams by BDU will not solve the IFF problem. To who ever said that I lied about what team I was on, this is absolutely not true, because I never said I was Krieger, and to tell you the truth I was so fogged up at the time I could not tell who you guys were until you said you were Krieger and had the box. Instead of opening up with my AK, I instead went for the knife kills because it was point blank range, and besides the knife was more efficient in that situation and caused more confusion. The other similar incident that happened was early in the mission, after I had been surrendered by the enemy when I mistook them for the Strikers to whom were were making our way towards to help them. After surrendering me and shooting one of our guys, the group of kriegers moved on. Soon after an enemy (kreiger) medic with a guard came towards me and mistook me for a Krieger. I thought at first he was taking me prisoner, but since they didn't do any "search" or take my weapon, and talked to me as if I was one of their own, I simply just sat there and let him heal me up, and then returned the favor by knife killing them both. If you think that was lame and it ruined your day, well I'm sorry, but things like that happen some times. I didn't complain when I was surredered, so heck, you win some, you lose some. Those knife kills did make it all worth it for me. ;)

There were some other things that could have been improved upon, including perhaps some better way to mark important locations such as the crash site, and some other things that hopefully I will get a chance to talk to blade about another time.

Over all, the event was fun, and on behalf of all of us from Red Shadow, thank you to Blade and Strikers for hosting it, and thank you to everyone that came out despite the rain. I hope that the various problems that have happened will not be an issue at Blind Fury.

[Blade]

First off, noone said knife kill was illegal. What has been said is safe kill, surrender and freeze were not mandatory, that's all. So Lynx, you did a legitimate act, good job. ;)

As far as the respawn, I have no idea where it came from. First of all, I didn't mentionned there was respawn points in the field but even more, I don't even know how people assumed where those "respawn" could be.
It's specifically said on the maps that starting points are indeed, starting point, nothing more.

But Lynx, to answer your statement, yes, every single problems that players are bringing back to us are taken into consideration. Some of them are legitimate, others were just a lack of "willingness" from the players. Again though, we will fix what ever had to be fixed.

note: As Almega said, Blind fury 2004 is far from what you experienced this weekend. Yes, there was few things attended to it but nothing compared to what is coming.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

Originally posted by Lynx
To who ever said that I lied about what team I was on, this is absolutely not true, because I never said I was Krieger

I never said you lied, I said you were deceptive. There's a difference. Why do I say you were being deceptive? Because, you were sitting in your location for nearly 5 minutes, calling for a medic. Why would you call for a medic if you were not wounded? Furthermore, if you were wounded, then why did you knife kill anyone?

Later,
Scott

[Locutus2999]

While I wasn't there, so I cannot comment on the specifics, but you cannot "knife kill" someone who you are standing there talking too! A knife kill is when you sneak up on someone and tap them on the shoulder or something like that.

The proper thing to do in that situation is to call a parlay and just agree to go seperate ways.

[almega]

hrm, well, not to point fingers but a striker (sorry I didnt catch your name :) ) was fixing his PEQ at my (well ok it was secretagentman's) table at the start of the game, and i'm there with my gf, we hear.

"all strikers, wounded players are allowed to give intel, you are not considered dead untill a medic comes to you and gives you a death card."

I know it was a striker, the message was addressed specifically to the strikers and intel proceeded to flow forth :)

now, im not a newb / striker hater, there was alot of confusion that day, everything worked out. I bring this up to talk about BF. After talking with frank about this, at BF, no one will be allowed to give out any intel other than their location, and only to the medics. The main reason I'm thinking about this is because i'll be a sniper, and i dont want to take someone out and then hear them shout "hey sniper over there, go get him" :rolleyes:

frank has assured me this wont happen, which is good, and i post these comparisons between BF and PB here because i know alot of my teammates are using PB as an example of what BF will be (which ISNT the case).

another thing we might want to think about is "killing" players. in lynx's example, why not be able to kill a player if you can actually get close enough to touch them. I'm not saying knife kills, but for example:

lynx was shot, and surrounded by enemy troops, it would be nice if they could "kill" him and take him out w/othe hassle of a medic. also, if scouts are encountered, or a small fighting force taken out and then surrounded, "killing" them would be ideal because this would do away with any of the wrong kind of intelligence being leaked out, plus it would speed up the play

Idealy, i want to be able to take someone out with my m24, and if no ones around (i.e. if we took out a scout), send out my spotter to go "kill" them. In real life I could just shoot again, buuut thats not safe in airsoft.

Talking with locutus about this, he said it best, once you are injured (in real combat) you are not considered inactive and invincible. Oh well, something to think about before BF

(btw i've been up 48 hours, please forgive the poor grammar, if you can deal with frank you can deal with me)

[Lynx]

Although this thread was not supposed to be about knife kills, I think I have to make a reply here, since I was the one that was in the situation.

I have never been a huge fan of the parlay thing, especially in a mil sim event. That is just my opinion, but I still don't really see why its being made into such a big deal. It seems like the main event organizer (Blade) thought that my actions were "in the spirit" of mil-sim and such, so taking that into account, and the fact that there was not any clear rule about what exactly to do in that situation for the event. The rules over all were not exactly AO rules, and not exactly HALO rules (which is fine, because they are more or less guidelines for event organizers as I understand it).

Now about the specifics of the situations. In the first situation: when I was surrendered by the group of Kriegers, one of our guys was also shot. The rest of my squad took cover and just stayed hidden waiting for the enemy to move away before coming up to medic me, and the other guy who was down. I don't remember yelling for a medic then, and the Krieger medic and his guard just happened to be making his way to the area. Even If I did yell for a medic, I don't see anything wrong with doing that, since I was indeed down, and so was my teammate next to me. After the Krieger medic bandaged me, I was back in action, and so I took the liberty of knife killing both of those guys there.

Deceptive? Maybe. Feigning death or being dishonorable? Not at all.

In the second situation: Our squad medic, and myself were coming back to one of our wounded men to heal him and bring him back to action. We thought that we were heading toward an area where there was not any hostiles anymore, and we told our guy by radio to yell out MEDIC so we could find him by the sounds. We were too disoriented and fogged up to find him any other way. This guy, did indeed wear US Woodland BDU pants, but with an Oak hunting camo jacket (he didn't have anything else to wear for the day, and since it was not full US Woodland, we were told it is OK). He was the one calling out for a medic, not me. This was not the guy who scored the knife kills. When we came to him, our squad medic got to work, and while he was in the proccess of healing this guy, I was guarding by the trail. This was when I saw all of the Kriegers walking in talking excitedly about having captured the box and so on, and not even noticing that I was a hostile. I too was extremely fogged up, and was not sure until someone mentioned the box (I knew Tropicos didn't have it) and someone said they were Kriegers. By then we were pretty much face to face, and I did the melee attack.

Again, note that I was not feigning death, and this time was not wounded (until someone shot me when you realized what was happening). My BDU was completely not US Woodland, although perhaps in the rain some people who are not familiar with the pattern (it is a rare pattern) might have confused it for US. Is that my fault, or theirs?

Attached is an image showing the difference between my BDU and US woodland BDU. (hopefuly I won't have to tell you which one is which) ;)

Anyway, if there is still anyone that wants to talk about all of this with me, feel free to send me a PM or try to catch me on AIM. I hope nobody is too horribly upset that they got taken down in those instances mentioned. But still I dont think that I really did anything wrong either.

[almega]

well, after talking with lynx, i'm just going to say this. If i was taken out like that, i would have been like "duuuude, cmon, lame" and taken my hit, and personally i would feel bad, taking people out that way so i wouldnt do it.


If we continue on about knife kills maybe we should start another thread, after cookies post, that is :) (i think the knife discussion died out)

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

I will say this, I never intended to insult anyone nor did I accuse anyone of anything in my original post, while I was a bit steamed about the entire situation, I hold no hard feelings toward anyone involved. Mistakes happen, we are all human beings, and we do make them. Lynx, I appologize for any confusion, and I say again, I meant no offence.

[Agent 47]

well, from what i hear, you all opened up on Lynx from pretty close range, and therefore have no right to ***** and moan about him pwning you all with his sambo skills. He could have just as easily tore you all the **** up with his AK, and he didnt. What a sport. Hats off for Lynx, and his good sportsmanship. It's guys like him that make airsoft fun, unpredictable, and entertaining. not to mention safe.


Drew

[P90killer]

i will admit i was one of the 2 guys that opened up on lynx as he came to the end of the trail. may i say that, since i think blade said this, that you actually have to make some sort of contact with the person in order for a kill. you went all the way down the path with not really touching anyone but yelling kife kill and i assume since you were killing all of my team mates u were bad. i would have reached for my pistol but you were like right up on top of me and atleast i shot u in the chest. sorry if it hurt like a b!tch

[Lynx]

Actually, I did make contact with them all, I just yelled out knife kills so they knew that they were down. I would have gotten you guys too when I did that lunge towards you, but some sort of shrub or something slowed me down, and then i felt the hits. Don't worry about it, it was not bad at all, It was quite a rush, and so any pain from being hit by BBs close up was no big deal at that point.

I dont hold it against you guys who shot me pointblank in that incident at all. Your AEG was under 400 FPS so it was technically legal by the rules, and I am not complaining about it.

[Pvt Pyle]

As for the event, i had a blast, though i must say the mud and the terrain kicked my arse heh. Me and one of the hills almost had words, half way up i hit a mud slick, I say "im going up now" and the mud said "f*ck if you are" then id slide down about 3-4 ft lol. but still for my first real event i had a blast.



*edit* no need to send it more off track

[P90killer]

well not to cause anger but,

"why can't we be friends
why can't we be friends" amd all live along together in airsoft harmony

ha ha i am so tired

[snipe]

great game!

Yes there were problems but that is expected. in a game that is planned for this long there will always be problems in clarification. that is nones fault tho because they were mistakes anyone could have made. and 5 hrs is an insane game time it made it a blast.

also... if anyone found a camel back, i left mine on accident in the corn field.

[Glaeken]

I also had a great time.

The weather definitely made things a little more close to mil-sim, didn't it?

Folks,
One thing to keep in mind is that these Springfield games are a way for us to try new things in preparation for Blind Fury.
We can then get input from the community and players regarding what worked, what didn't, what needs tweaking, and what worked great.

As for the "knife kill"....we did not have a specific rule regarding that exact wording - ie: "knife kill" - but, I'm glad that the player chose to do that instead of unloading on more than one player at a close range. It showed great poise and fore-thought in not taking the 'easy' kills.
I am curious as to him being shot, apparently close, as a reprisal for his 'knife kills'. I realize that the majority of weapons used were well under the engagement parameters, but, just a curious reminder for all to think before you pull the trigger. Again, this is just a reminder.

The rain made most of us wish that goggles came with 'windshield wipers' attached. I, for one, had "walleye-vision" and this made identification dicey at best.
Which brings up the ever-popular debate over what can be done about IFF (Identification Friend/Foe).
My personal opinion is that IFF is going to be part of the mil-sim environment. It's part of the game and I don't see any way around having to deal with it.

We are trying to adopt the best way to "feed the troops" while still maintaining a smooth flow for the game.
I've heard a lot of good comments about the continuous play brought about by the scenario set-up. We want to keep that factor.
We also don't want players to be forced to play and skip lunch. The Springfield field is very taxing on a player's energy and refueling is a must.

Plan to have some energy bars with you so that you don't lose too much energy and stamina before lunchtime.



P.S.
Folks,
Please also remember to try and find other ways to express yourselves, when posting, without the use of profanity. I realize that the site 'auto-censors' these words, but, it would be nice to see that the education system in this county is not completely futile.
Understand that I'm not a prude, but reading post after post of slang, profanity and other such nonsense, it makes the post seem less-useful or valid.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

Originally posted by Locutus
While I wasn't there, so I cannot comment on the specifics, but you cannot "knife kill" someone who you are standing there talking too! A knife kill is when you sneak up on someone and tap them on the shoulder or something like that.

The proper thing to do in that situation is to call a parlay and just agree to go seperate ways.

I agree with you 100% Locutus. Knife Kills should be reserved for when you get the drop on someone. I do not feel it is appropriate to knife kill when you are in the middle of a conversation with someone.

Originally posted by Glaeken

I am curious as to him being shot, apparently close, as a reprisal for his 'knife kills'. I realize that the majority of weapons used were well under the engagement parameters, but, just a curious reminder for all to think before you pull the trigger. Again, this is just a reminder.


In this instance, I do not feel it was a reprisal so much as it was a reflex. When someone is lunging at you, after having hit several of your team mates, I do not feel it is inappropriate to have fired, intentionally or accidently. Perhaps I am mistaken, but that is how I feel.

[Blade]

A knife kill, by default, is when you attack someone from real close range (less than 3ft) and by surprise. Doesn't have to be from the back or without visual confirmation on both side. For example, Punisher was taking care and talking to a prisoner. During a 1/2 second, Punisher didn't watch and the prisoner pull a gun out. At that point, the prisoner could have just said knife kill by safety precaution.

And yes, if you see someone knife killing all your teammates, you have the right (and almost duty ;) ) to shoot at him if you can. As far as what if the guy is too close, it all depends on the MED. If there is none, you shoot. If there is, you can always call for a surrender or safe kill.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

My friend's gun (one of the two who shot him) chronoed at 290fps, so he was well within his rights.

[Glaeken]

Hey guys,

My intent for the 'reprisal' comment was just as a reminder that these events have a fairly high fps without an engagement limit.
I'm absolutely sure that since the majority of weapons chrono'ed were within the 325-350fps range, the 'reflexive' counter to his knife kills was completely within reason.
Again, I was not attempting to berate anyone for their actions - just something to keep in mind.
In fact, if I knew my weapon was safe to shoot someone at that range, I would probably have done the same thing.;)

[Namboose]

Glaeken is such a man =D

[MC51ED]

I have a question that deals with the opposite situation that blade proposed. What if you were to walk up to somebody and say, "safe kill" or "surrender" because your weapon is above the minimum engagement level, but they turn around and try to shoot you, do you shoot them as they turn around to attack you, which would be illegal, or just let them shoot you? I would just let them shoot me, and not risk getting kicked out. What would the official rule on this be, and which would you guys choose?

[Glaeken]

If you are within the minimum engagement distance for your weapon your only options are to either attempt a surrender (if you have the element of surprise)/safe-kill or choose a less-fps weapon (sidearm).
If neither of these options are available to you then you must either stay out of sight or flee.
Remember, a 'knife kill' is by total surprise (usually) and within arm's length/reach.

If you have attempted a surrender/safe-kill and the player, for whatever reason, decides not to take the less-violent 'kill', then you MAY NOT FIRE on them. Regardless of the fact that you probably had the upper-hand initially. It may seem unfair to you, but it's the honorable way. "Take it like a man"....hehehe. :D


I hope that the fiasco that became of the last attempt at discussing surrender, safety kill, knife kill, freeze, surrender for the purpose of capture, etc. does not happen here.

[Lynx]

I think its important to distinguish between the knife/melee kill, the safety kill, and the surrender.

The way that I have personally come to understand the various rules and customs of these is that they are different, and have different applications for different reasons.

Firstly, there is the "knife" melee kill. This is often done from surprise, and is always against an opponent who is very close by. The attacker must have contact with the opponent by means of his hand, or a melee weapon such as a (fake) knife, sword, or bayonet. Once contact (not too forceful but very light) is made, the attacker can upon discretion yell out "knife kill" so that his opponent knows that he has been taken down in this way. If it is done silently, then the opponent must still go down, and should be silent so as not to give away the position of the attacker. In some events there are further stipulations about what is allowed and is not allowed.

Second, there is the surrender option. The attacker, instead of firing on his opponent from a close range (because of MED or just to be nice) instead yells FREEZE or SURRENDER and the opponent then ought to exercise good sportsmanship and obey this command, and not fire or try to run away, but simply either count himself as dead, or set his weapon down and raise his arms over his head to be a POW. Again, in some events, there is no taking of POW, and so in that case it counts just the same as if one was shot.

Third, there is the safety kill. This is similar to surrender, only instead, the words SAFETY KILL are called out. It is done only when the shots that can be fired upon the opponent are not fired because of safety reasons as they are too close. This is different from an ordinary call to surrender because it is mandatory to comply with, and not just for good-sportmanship measure. Also, for all intents and purposes of the game, a safety kill counts just like if one was actually hit with the BB, and the opponent is out and is not a POW but a corpse. It is also the case here that in some events the rules are specified more clearly, and can be different.

[Decoy]

Lynx,
I do not entirely agree with your assesment of the knife kill. Unlike the other two non-gun related kills you've mentioned, you've offered the kinfe kill a silent approach. I do not believe that knife kills should be silent (yes,yes some are in real life, I know I know). When a sniper or someone with a suppressed weapon in airsoft shoots someone, the victim must yell 'HIT!'...thus negating a silent kill with a silent weapon. For safety reasons we dont offer a struggle or "cage match" (<-sarcasm) knife fight between attacker and defender. If you take me by surprise and tap me in a non-vital location (and applying a little acting/imagination) you'd better believe I'd fight back (not literally people).

As for the whole uniform/knife kill thing, I wasnt there (I was back at the Krieger HQ sitting on my butt waiting for the boxes). But when our squads met up in the afternoon, we couldn't notice any difference between your BDU and ours until we were within 5 unobstructed feet. That and with the one team member of yours with the woodland hat...IFF became more difficult. I am not mad or anything...I mean we resolved that on the field by going to lunch...the smartest move by both sides all day long!



Glaeken, I cannot wait to THWART you and the Strikers again!:D