M1 Garand

[^cRYpTic^]

I wasnt sure whether to put this in the Spring Guns or AEG (maybe even gas??) section because I'm not sure what kind it would be if there is one. Does anyone know where you could get an M1 Garand?? I think that would be pretty cool, but no one seems to make it stock.

[Grease Man]

there is a person/company that can build you a custom m1. Of course its really expensive, and gas powered.


check this out: http://www.ww2airsoft.com/Weapons/M1.html

[^cRYpTic^]

Wow! Looks nice....too bad its ~$1600!!! Oh well, I guess I can dream...

[almega]

Marushin M1 Carbine MAX I 8mm
http://www.wargameclub.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=MS-RG-M1MAXI8MM_cat_Other%20Rifles
secretagentman has one, he'll gladly tell you everything you've ever wanted to know about it ;)

[Night]

well looks like im going to have to try even harder to get a job now.

[Kilroy]

It is Probable that there will be an M1 Garand conversion kit available for the Tokyo Marui M14 AEG when its released. There may even be one coming out for the AC M14. But No one Makes an M1 Garand at this time.

[Crossfire]

I beleive awhile ago I heard about a company that was thinking about making the M1, but then I guess they cancelled thier production of it or didnt even start. Either way, a Gas powered M1 sounds bad-***

[^cRYpTic^]

Since in real life it is semi-automatic, I dont think I would like to see it as an AEG. I would LOVE it to be springer :-) It would just be soo cool to have...

[GhostPOW]

yeah i read that same article about the garand i think.... was maruzen or something i cant really remember but a gas garand would be tight! not so much spring though cause then youd have to cock it and stuff...

[Munin]

Wait until the TM M14 comes out. The mechbox they'll have to design to fit in the stock of the M14 will lend itself much better to M1 conversions. I'd imagine that once the M14 is out, it's only a matter of time until someone (Guarder, Smokeys, et al) makes an M1 conversion kit for it. Modify the selector plate to be semi-auto only, and voila!

[AllenTC2]

Ummmmmm....Cryptic, why would it be better to have a springer M1 Garand instead of an AEG or gas? The M1 Garand is semi-automatic..that means each time you pull the trigger, it fires and loads the next round. A springer would require you cock the Garand after each shot. Not very realistic in my book.

[DeltaSniper]

I think he is refering to having it just for cost purposes. You know, something cool to hang on your wall. Personally i dont think springers look that great most the timem, but I think thats what he is trying to refrence.

[Creizai]

Originally posted by Munin
Wait until the TM M14 comes out. The mechbox they'll have to design to fit in the stock of the M14 will lend itself much better to M1 conversions. I'd imagine that once the M14 is out, it's only a matter of time until someone (Guarder, Smokeys, et al) makes an M1 conversion kit for it. Modify the selector plate to be semi-auto only, and voila!

Exactly

[DeltaSniper]

easy thhing to say for a gun that doesnt exist and may never.

[Munin]

I was under the impression that TM confirmed the mid-2004 release of the M14 at the last Black Hole show in Tokyo. It seems pretty certain to me, especially considering the demand for it and the spectacular failure of the AirsoftClub M14. No, I'm pretty sure TM will not only do it, they'll do it right.

[Fox]

There has been no absolutes yet. Not even at Black Hole was there any pictures, models, anything of that type for the m14. Right now its based on heavy rumors, and a photoshop pic. Thats it.

I beleive more that TM Is going to come out with an XM-8 because of how many first hand accouts of TM being in the shot show in las vegas taking pictures of it at every 10 degrees at the H&K booth, plus the fact it'd be an easy mod from the G36c to the XM-8.

It'd be alot easier for them to come out with the XM-8 then the M14 bdue to the fact, they dont have to design a gear box for the XM-8.

Even on top of that, what if TM makes it another one of their limited edition guns like the HK51, the orignal Spez Natz (Didnt have a stock), or the M635 'Burns' Model Carbine.

Many thing to think about before you all go off and be like 'Ohhh TM m14 WOOO BHD!!"

Cheers
Fox

[Kilroy]

Spectacular Failure? Whats wrong with the AC M14? There supposed to be making 2000 of em. :confused:

[Titleist]

You know they also made 9,200 DMC Deloreans in the 80's, does that make it a success, I THINK NOT!

A gun that only goes into full auto, shoddy construction, plastic stocks that break, guns that arrive in broken condition, yeah it's a major success or whatever.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9504/failure1.jpg

[DeltaSniper]

I dont think there are enough out there to righteously call it a failue. Ive yet to hear of a broken stock. not working guns, yeah ive heard that, for the first generation. I have one on the way. Im not worried though as i have a friend who will buy it if it doesnt work to my pleasure.

In some ways, like being too little, to late, it is a failure.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

Originally posted by M4A1gunner
Wow, nice I wish so bad i could get one of those bad boys

pow pow pow pow pow pow PING!

I just wanted to point out that you forgot a couple pow... there's 8 rounds in a clip, that was only 6.

[GhostPOW]

lol maybe he just forgot to load the other two in the mag...

[^cRYpTic^]

The reason I was hoping it would be a springer (or at least there would be a springer version) was mainly because of cost. I wouldnt spend $200-300 on an AEG garand. As you know, a garand fires an 8 round clip semi-automatic. So, I'm assuming that the manufacturer would make it semi auto, but most likely it wont have an 8 round clip :-)If you were to bring this semi-auto garand to an AEG game, you would be up against poeple who most likely are employing full auto, and unless the garand had a significant longer range than these full autos, whats the point?? So then the manufacturer might try and have a fully automatic selector on it, and that defies the purpose of a garand. Basically what I'm saying is an AEG garand wouldnt have much of a tactical use in the field, and it would cost too much just to hang on your wall. I would spend $80-120 on a springer version. It would do fine in a springer war, and if i wanted a garand on my wall, I think I would rather pay $100 dollars for it than $250 for, even if it doesnt look as nice as an AEG one might.Ummmmmm....Cryptic, why would it be better to have a springer M1 Garand instead of an AEG or gas? The M1 Garand is semi-automatic..that means each time you pull the trigger, it fires and loads the next round. A springer would require you cock the Garand after each shot. Not very realistic in my book.

[Fox]

Thats you. The rest of us who would like to do re-enacting would like a semi-auto (Preferably Gas, but I'd easily settle for an AEG as well due to the upgrade ability.) M1. And yes, it could serve very well on the field as well. How do you think people felt in WWII who had an m1 and they were going against germans with Mp40's? or an MG42? Seriously though, and springer would be *alright* for a wall hanger, but totally useless for the people who would like to do re-enacting.

And as for the cost. I'd like to see it marked around the $1000 range any ways, full wood and metal would be my dream come true.

At the same time though, If I really want something, I dont have a budget because I always work :). I'm half tempted to try to find a JAC BAR.

Cheers
Fox

[sniper dude]

And during the main part of the war the germans used k98, a bolt action rifle, and still owned:D

[Sgt. Horvath]

Originally posted by sniper dude
And during the main part of the war the germans used k98, a bolt action rifle, and still owned:D


besides that whole surrendering part? thats owned

[sniper dude]

I was refering to the begining of thew war. Also considering the germans were out numberd by the russians and the americans around 200 to 1 and the for every 1 tank the germans perduced the americans made 100 they lasted pretty long.

[airthatsnotsosoft2]

awe jesus the m1garand would make the PERFECT spring rifle!

[airthatsnotsosoft2]

aaaaaaaaaaand....

[airthatsnotsosoft2]

I'm a member! (champagne corks popping in background)

[^cRYpTic^]

How do you think people felt in WWII who had an m1 and they were going against germans with Mp40's? or an MG42?

I believe that you have your WWII history mixed up Foxtrot. The standard German rifle in WWII was a Mauser Kar 98k, a bolt action rifle, and a fine one at that. They did have MP-40's and MG-34's and MG-42's, but the Americans were using Thompsons and BARs, and the Browning .30 cal machine gun as well as the M1 Garand, so America had the firepower advantage, in terms of rate of fire. However, this is completely irrelevant and this thread is bound to be closed if the topic keeps going off into WWII history.

In terms of tactical use, out on the field, what almost always seems to do better? Semi-auto or Full-auto? I would have to go with full auto! So, i doubt anyone is going to find an M1 very good tactically! I suppose if you were doing a reanactment thing, it would be cool though...Anyways, I sure wouldnt spend $1000 on ANY gun, its WAY outta my range...**EDIT** on second thought, I might muster up $1000 for a Mini-gun!!! That would absolutely be SWEET!

[Fox]

I know my WWII History, and I know what gun the Germans used.

The point of my post was you saying that you wouldn't have a chance on the battle field since it's only semi auto. Well, your completely wrong for another reason. I have an SVD, which is semi auto, and last time I played I was pretty much untouchable.

Though again, just to clearify for some people, my point was that your NOT out gunned if you only have semi auto.

Cheers
Fox

[^cRYpTic^]

Foxtrot, in general..what does better, full auto or semi auto. I think that you would agree with me in full auto. I am not saying anything against you, and you sound pretty da** good with that SVD! My friend has a PSG1 he owns sometimes, kinda similar to you. But in general, I would say that you have a better chance with a full auto.

[sniper dude]

AAAAGGGGHHHH:mad:

FLAM WARS

[Dougrich]

The germens also used the ft42 which was a semi-automatic rifle which had a 22 round clip.It was used by Germen partroopers but not on a wide scale, because Hitler was a freakin idiot.
The also used the St44. The first assult riflewhich was full automatic.The mp38/40, mg 34 and 42. The luger and the walther need I say more. Hitler lost Germany the war, if it would have been up to the GHC we'd be typeing in Germen end of case.

[Kaiser78]

Just remember guys, we are not talking about airsoft here with almost no recoil on the guns. We are talking the real thing. In the real world a bullets trajectory would not be affected by a little branch as an airsoft gun does. Whatever way you shoot the rifle will go up and away from your body and you have to realigne your shot for the next one. Remember, when it is for real, your adrenaline is going, you are worried about getting killed.....and not coming back after a regen. All the more reason to miss your target, full or semi. As in airsoft it only takes one round to kill a guy. Save the full auto for the cheaters.

As for who had superior firepower, I dont really care. Soldiers died on both sides, and being 100% German I have ties to both. My forfathers fought in that war on the German side, and I had family on the Allied side. Either way they died for what they believed, wrong or right. If I had to fight on the US side or the German side during that time, I would have been on the allied side no question. As to who lost the war, or what piece of equiptment lost the war, whats it matter, war is unpredicatable, and full of casualties.

[Tripod]

Originally posted by Dougrich
The germens also used the ft42 which was a semi-automatic rifle which had a 22 round clip.It was used by Germen partroopers but not on a wide scale, because Hitler was a freakin idiot.
The also used the St44. The first assult riflewhich was full automatic.The mp38/40, mg 34 and 42. The luger and the walther need I say more. Hitler lost Germany the war, if it would have been up to the GHC we'd be typeing in Germen end of case.

If you are talking about the FG42 then that bad boy was fully automatic. The short barrel gave it a horrible recoil and a horrible noise along with a horrible barrel flash. The MP44 (StG 44) was the first combat assault rifle, many would argue the AK 47 was modeled after it although that's impossible. And it's German, not Germen..

I myself just do not see any possible way of an M1 Garand being made. There are 2 huge differences between the M1 Garand and the M14, the magazines. The M1 Garand's magazine is in the gun itself and is fed with 8 round clips. If you want realism then the magazine would have to be in the same spot, where would the gear box go? Just really no room in the M1 Garand otherwise I'm sure we would see them in AEG form. A GBB form would be very much more likely to be mass produced at an affordable price, we just need a good reliable company to come up from the ashes to make one.

Another note, a semi automatic weapon is a very good weapon to fight with. Just because you are required to pull the trigger more does not mean you will be out gunned by a bunch of trigger happy, hicap toteing newbs :rolleyes: .

Ok I've typed too much.

Tripod

[red_spetsnaz]

sure the germans mainly used the 98k. But they were in second place to the russians in the number of SMG's fielded. However, the Germans had the firepower advantage. Whereas americans carried our beautiful m1 garands into battle, the germans carried the 7.92 mm weapons of mass destruction. Whereas the germans may have lost the war, they held out for a really long time against seemingly impossible odds. Now i know we can argue and get the thread locked over the better weapons of world war 2, but lets just spare ourselves and admit that both sides had some of the "finest weapons of war ever devised" and have fun doing it. It isn't the end of the world people.

[Goober]

Ladies and Gentleman,

Like cRYpTic (<-- You got a sticky shift key there) mentioned earlier, this is not a WWII post, but instead, a question about the M1 Garand. As far as I know, the two links that were given much earlier are the only two out there. And I'm not going to comment on the full-auto / semi-auto subject either.

As I highly doubt anything else will come out of this, this thread is locked.