BB Motar lol

[Nate The Great]

ok, i have no idea where to put this so i decide to stick it here :D. I came up with a situation, caputre the fort, kinda like king of the hill type. Then enemy has u basical complety pinned down. U can't advane ur ull get shot. The fort is basical inpenatrable. Is there anywhere or anyone who could design a BB motar lol. I'm gettin an M203, but i have limited ammo for thad, and for more tactical situatioins. Any ideas or thoughts?

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

I do have an idea, but it would have to be used responcibly or not used at all. as to the accuracy, I can't make any guarntees. However, when I have been fooling around in my back yard with my potato cannons, I figured out a way to make them launch bb's. Take a small paper bathroom cup, and cut a slit so it will fit down the barrel of the potato cannon, push it down to the bottom of the barrel, and pour in the bb's. I really don't think this would be practical, nor would it be safe if it were aimed even remotly near anyone. The only safe way of doing it would to be aiming it nearly verticle, then I don't see there being any kind of accuracy whatsoever.

[Locutus2999]

How can you construct a sentence such as "U can't advane ur ull get shot" and not feel guilty for murdering the English language?

The Airsoft Kentucky guys have a potato cannon that shoots BBs that works off of compressed air, it is pretty cool, though I am not sure how effective it is.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

now I could see that being safe, however, the potato cannons that I have built have all run off hair spray. I will say, they definately put out a huge force. Directed fire could SERIOUSLY injure somone. However, I still have a lot of spare pvc laying around, I could look into building a potato cannon that ran off of compressed air.

[Locutus2999]

Yes, airsoft cannons that work off of combustion have been discussed in the past, and were determined that they would not really be appropriate for use in airsoft.

[Secretagentman]

Indeed the hair spray combustion is bad for our useage.
Shortly...within the month or so...I will have a pneumatic air cannon/mortar/rocket launcher that I will be introducing at AO games for testing and useage during scenario play. Much testing on this launcher will be done to ensure it's safety. The target velocity will not exceed 350FPS. It will be able to launch foam rockets, flechette's, and BB "shotgun" style shells for area coverage.

I will have more info as the project is developed if anyone is interested.

007...out

[Grease Man]

I built a Pneumatic cannon a while ago. Its a very easy build, relativly safe to use, and in my own case a lot more powerfull then the combustion cannons, not to mention you can launch a wider variety of materials. I made it so it could be refilled with my compressor, or by a bike hand pump. Just be careful with the compressor that you don't exceed the PSI for PVC pipe, that could be very dangerous....

[Secretagentman]

Amateur ;)
I use overpressure relief valves set for 150PSI easily under the 330PSI max for Schedule40 PVC. Also there is a built in pressure guage on the launcher itself so that during the fill with either said compressor, bike pump, or the CO2 quickfill method I have put together it will be VERY easy to tell exactly how much pressure you have at any given moment. The overpressure valve is also adjustable to suit more pressure if it is somehow required for a larger projectile such as that of a foam rocket with a larger gram weight than the 200 round BB "shell"/sabbot.

Anyhow I've been toying with different style's and design stuctures more than anything trying to come up with something that is not only useful, but also looks very cool and maybe has a resemblance of that of a real launcher without being a replica of anything specific. :)
I believe I have come down to a final design structure that allows breech loading and is a shoulder fired launcher. :D

007...out

[Nate The Great]

How can you construct a sentence such as "U can't advane ur ull get shot" and not feel guilty for murdering the English language?

Try typing neatly during your 15 minite study hall with a monitor constaly walking around to see what you are doing one the computer while trying to finish last nights homework. Id like to see u do that without any errors.:mad:

Allright so the motar is possible, but there is not a stock one out there that i could use for tournament play and offical games

[Agent 47]

yeah, ours seems to work ok.


What gets me, is the grammar was fine, then you switched back to U..err......nevermind :P

Drew

[Lynx]

A guy on my team (Red Shadow) has something like this... it is a LAW which fires about 1000 BBs a shot and uses paintball CO2 bottles for propulsion.. I havent seen it myself yet because this guy is one of the Red Faction crew from Columbus, he was gonna be at First Strike but then his work didnt let him take the day off :(

[jimmypop]

http://www.tippmannexplosives.com/ use thier stuff for ideas.

[Lynx]

I've seen some of this stuff in action in a big time paintball event I was once at... It was called the Michigan Monster Game at Hell Survivors field.. very cool event, almost mil sim type of game was run with differnet ranks etc... they also had several paintball vehicles including SUV with paintball guns sticking out of all the windows, a tank, and the famed tippman go-cart thing... also they had military transport trucks hauling people around to their drop zones and such... When i was in paintball, this was by far the best paintball event ever.. If any of you former paintballers still have your paintball stuff, go and check this one out if they still run it... sorry for getting slightly off topic, but that just reminded me this game and all the crazy paintball stuff that was there.. That event was the only reason i didnt sell off my paintball gun right away when i got my AEG and converted to airsoft, but unforutnately havent been able to go to it again yet...

perhaps it might be possible to talk to the organizers of that, at Hell Surviors, and see if we can have an airsoft version of that Michigan Monster game? I think the shop on the field was called Exotic Sports, so that would be the business to look up prolly... Maybe if they saw how many people come out to our events now, and how many more it would be if this was national (that MI monster game was national event Im fairly certain) then maybe they would even start marketing things for airsoft as far as special weapons like mortars etc (which would use BBs and not paint)... it is probably just wishful thinking, but I think its worth a shot perhaps...

[Jedigreedo]

Theres one video I saw of these guys with replica slanted mortar launchers. They were using the BB shower's for them and it seemed pretty effective. After the BB shower's fired they just opened a door at the bottom to get it out and reloaded.

Perhaps you could have a couple squads per team doing something like that? Let's say about 3-4 guys, one would carry the deployable launcher, one would carry the spare gas/ammo, one could be on the radio for strategic points from spotters and then you could have the fourth guard the other three from ambush?

[Lynx]

Ive never seen a working airsoft mortar, but my question be about the effective range that such a thing would have... the paintball ones that i saw at the MI Monster I was really too busy battling it out to really watch them too much, but they had considerable range because the projectiles fired were fairly large heavy balloons of paint... BBs fired in buck shot style would spread and it wouldnt be much of a mortar, but its the only way i can think of that this can be done because it would not be safe to fire them out in a container to spread on impact (BBs are not paint after all).. although i could be wrong, if you can imagine a standard bag of 3000 something BBs flying at you at considerable FPS (needed to actaully get the thing to the target) it probably would not be a safe thing to get an accidental direct hit on someone... They wouldnt spread on impact properly either...

The BB shower idea might work OK, but I imagine it would very much limit the effective range and wouldnt be too great of a mortar simulation... but ive yet to see one..

to be a more or less mil sim mortar, it should have more range than an AEG and be a trajectory weapon fired at steep angle.. Can anyone link to any airsoft mortars that thers pictures or vidoe of online?

[Legend]

Didn't Texx invision "Airsoft Mortars", after some NewB made a stupid topic about "Airsoft Grenades"? I think he did, along with Lawn Darts for LAW's or something...

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

you can't forget the airsoft TACTICAL NUKE! (http://www.airsoftohio.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3773&highlight=nuke)

Now there's an idea that could really work! :rolleyes:

[Legend]

I don't know how the rest of the guys feel. But if I get hit with one of these makeshift grenades/mortars/nukes, I will be very pissed. Just fair warning. I don't think these should be brought to any events aside from backyard/springer wars. It sounds cool, but leave it to Marui for this kind of stuff, guys.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

best to keep this conversation to PM's. It has already been tackled in other threads and will likely stir sh*t up.

[almega]

whats your problem legend, the only way you can get to an AO game is have your parents drive you, and apparently you dont even have any guns. sooooo i wouldnt worry about making it to many AO games.

[XSidewinderX]

ooh shot down....

[BaDunkaDunk]

i made a compressed air water ballon launcher. if you fill a ballon up with bb's and put a paper clip atthe barrel top, it shoots mad bbs in the air and they are reasonably accurate. If you don't ahev the paper clip they are like a giant m203.

[armyboy]

i have got the thing and am working on it now i will post a picture soon.

[D-Boy]

Ok we go many diffrent cannons so what do you do with it. I got an idea!!!!!:D :cool: :D :D :D take a six weeler, slap on armor, strap on a turret and those morter thinggys and shisha you gotta tank

[armyboy]

everything good except the motars not many tanks have mortars

[Spook]

First off, you shouldn't BE typing on AO while at school anyway. Then perhaps you will be able to compose a properly formatted sentence that those of us with some semblance of education are able to UNDERSTAND.
If I require a translator to understand what you are attempting to convey, and you were born on US soil, then that is insane.

Secondly, use of propellant fuels other than air is strictly forbidden in both Airsoft AND paintball. It's just too dangerous. A spud gun is capable of shooting a golf ball a mile. Up close, one can blow a hole in a thick wooden door with a golf ball fired from a spud gun. They are nothing to play with.

Thirdly, there are safe launchers on the market. Rusty's Paintball Guns is one maker. Proper ammunition is not tough to make.

[gunfighters]

lastly PVC is UNSAFE for use as a pressure chamber. It can and will frag if dropped, banged aganst a tree while running, etc. It is a very bad deal. It can be "ok" for a barrel if it is made right. look @ the specks on it it is rated for WATER not air. There is a realy good reason for this.. Take this from some one who saw a gun he built blow up and hurt some one @ only 120 PSI. I have seen 2 go boom from recoil alone( one injured one of my stuntmen and the outher blue up while I was HOLDING IT, I was lucky as it was being set up as a depth charge efect and I was underwater in SCUBA gear @ the time, falling threw the istant air buble and hiting the bottom of the pool hurt more than anthing else but if my hand had been a few inches closer I would have lost some fingers) and 3 or 4 break(not filed with air @ the time,thank god) from being droped/ having the bypod knocked over.

learn form the mistakes of outhers

[Sgt. Horvath]

armyboy, i really hate you.

[Mikonos]

with the cannons exploding... if your carrying them loaded and with a pressure running through the woods your just asking for it to explode. Correct me if im wrong and im sorry if i am but as it seems to me that PSI is PSI whether or not its water or air its the same... so i don't see a problem there. You prolly came in to trouble is when you were underwater if you fill it up underwater and it floats which it does then and in a sealed container then yes it will go boom. But as for a potato gun/ airsoft cannon :p if you have two valves one restricting the air from entering and the other to fill it up and a pressure release valve you will be fine... check this out at florid airsoft review give you guys something to model it after...

http://www.floridaairsoft.com/reviews/at4/

[D_Man]

LAW - Shoots footballs pictured - powered by CO2 cartrages like those used in pellet guns. Utilizes an all metal, gas grade piping internal system for handeling the pressure and a plastic PVC outer shell/barrel. Used mainly as a prop weapon againt hard target objectives (blow up a tank for example). Great fun and easy to build yourself for about $30 :)

http://www.airsoftohio.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=6456

[Fox]

Or hitting me in surprise. Yes, thats right.


And on that note, It hurt really badly too, like some one hit me with a brick in the arm.


Cheers
Fox

[gunfighters]

yep thats a foam football stuck in my bathroom door you don't want to get hit with one of them direct fired @ you.. the main difrance between air and water is water does not compress so it dosent store enery..thats why they test air tanks with water if it blows they can controal it some what, but blow up a tank with air @ 5000+psi and you will take out the room.
the problem is pvc is brittle and a little bump or drop can cause it to shater. the FA review you put the like to is a standard dezinge. were the 2, 1" pvc niples screw in to the valve is a magor weak point.. go build it and drop it from 3'... then tell me if you want to pump it up and run around with it straped to your back. Go with a steel air chamber and spend the extra $15 or so bucks on your project. If you don't know what you are doing then go BUY one. You can find them for $50-$200 depending on what you want[IMG]

[AllenTC2]

Okay, I'm about to have a cow here.

First off, definitions.

A mortar is an indirect fire weapon. "Indirect" means you do not point the muzzle of the weapon at the intended target. Also, you typically never see your target. Very light mortars are an exception to this rule. Mortars are useful in that they are relatively light, simple to operate and maintain, and the steep trajectories of mortar rounds allow shooting over tall features, such as buildings and ridgelines.

Howitzers are also indirect fire weapons, but they CAN be used in a direct fire role. The trajectory of their projectiles is much flatter than that of a mortar, so they usually have longer range. They also usually have a larger projectile.

Cannon are large, breechloading DIRECT fire weapons. You actually aim at your target. They are also distinguished from larger machine guns by the fact they shoot a projectile with an explosive charge, unlike MGs which fire a solid projectile.

Secondly, these weapons application to airsoft.

one could be on the radio for strategic points from spotters

I live for the day when there is a safe, effective, realistic BB mortar, but I'm not holding my breath. For a truely effective, accurate mortar..well, I don't think it'd be really safe. You're talking about a standardized round holding a precise amount of BBs designed to burst open above the target. You'd also need some sort of gas regulating device, so you could adjust the charge for various ranges. THEN you'd have to learn the math to determine the proper elevation and azimuth to hit a target you can't see. All in all, I'd say it's impossible.

These back yard potato guns fall more in then "cannon" category. Sure, you may have to aim high to get the BBs out there, but they are in no way a "mortar". Therefore, I find them pretty hokey. Personally, I'd think you'd be better off finding some sort of way to roleplay the use of artillery in airsoft games, but that requires some third party to assist, something most of you guys don't have the manpower for. In addition, it'd be helpful if you knew HOW an indirect fire mission is processed and carried out.

[gunfighters]

while your defintions are true they are a little 1800s. There are plenty of mortars that can and are fired @ lower angles.
http://www.mistralgroup.com/IND_mortars.asp
some US waterborn SF groups use a boat mounted 60mm M-224 in trigger-fired mode, it is swivel mounted and shot @ a much lower angle than usaly assoasited with a mortar. But lets be real this is airsoft a upgraded MP5 and M16 have a bout the same range. Wheather you call it a cannon,mortar, or howitzer the name is going to be baced on what it "looks" like, most of them will have the abilty to be fired "direct" or "indirect" becuse it give the user the greastest flexabilty.
Your right we will never see a safe SHELL that leaves the the barrel and airbursts over the target. 3 years ago we did do some work on a spring loaded plastic shell with a small propeller on the back, the gunner would set the range and after the prop made so many turns the shell would pop open as spread about 1500 BBs over the target. But a head/tail wind would mess it up and with one miscalution it was a DEADLY projectile. Even the Army dosn't have a airbursting round for force on force wargames.
There are some good options out there that work.. You can shoot BBs(or popcorn seeds), but it limits your range a bit. The two main choices out there are a cheap resueabull round($1-$4 foam footballs) that you have to go find afterwords. Or dirt cheap nonresuseabal rounds (water ballons, yep there goes every one freaking out over there AEG, what have you never played in the rain??? its a motor and a switch for god's sake. The paint ballers with a $1500 gun with LCD screen and a computer chip controaling the gun don't seem to have any problems). the systems for sale out there will give you around 100yds to 400+ feet of range depending on your type of amo.
Yes you would have to "roleplay" a hit with say maby a 25' blast radis from point of impact but is that really anymore to expect from a player than taking that light hit they just hurd hit thier jacket sleave????

[AllenTC2]

Well, I'd have to disagree that these line-of-sight air cannons are a "good option". They are simply a M203 shell (a buckshot or flechette round, specifically) on steriods. Hardly what I'd call a simulation.

Oh, and I'd also dispute that the 60m mortar is in wide use. Though there are times when a small force would find the use of a light, man-portable, rapidly-deployable mortar desireable, the small charge really limits it's effectiveness. It's more of a big grenade launcher than a mortar.

[gunfighters]

I would agree with you on the big "shotgun" idea as a good way to sim anthing but a shot gun. By far the best soltion is the foam footballs. as for the line of sight issue it will never go away, the best system out there(used by the Marines and the US Army) is probly the Tippmann Mortar (http://www.tippmannordnance.com/retail/mortars.html) and that only gives you about 200yds. Besides I realy don't see people waiting in the parking lot with a map and slide rule to shoot @ something you can't see catching on.
As to any item being in wide use or what not.. any arguement about realsteel is pointless.. we play airsoft and aside from looks it has nothing to do with real steel. but why not
as for a 60mm mortar I would hazard a guess that it is probly one of the most common sizes for a light mortar on the battle field. while your right that compared to a some of the larger guns out there it's a bit of a pip squeek it has the abilty to put 30, 4 pound rounds, 3500 meters down range in a minute, @ least in my eyes it puts it a bit above a "big grenade launcher".
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/7-90/Ch8.htm#s1
If we ever see a "mortar" catch on in airsoft it will be probly be of this "light mortar" style.. light and fast and cheap to shoot cariyed by one player and maby crewed by two. Can be fired direct or indirect or even off the sholder. http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/23-90/ch3.htm#s1

[AllenTC2]

LOL True, I don't see the 4.2'' Tokyo Mauri model coming out anytime soon, but I don't see the 60mm version coming soon either. As you point out, even the light mortars have some decent range. Even scaled down for airsoft, you'd have a weapon shooting out to like what....200m or so??

[gunfighters]

maby not TM, but 5 or 6 places instate make them. Most common is 1.5" and 2" barrels. The Tippmann Mortar will give you 200+Yds but it costs around $1400 and shoots a scary 20oz round(they claim its safe, but 20oz of anthing droping 200/300yds out of the sky has got to hurt, I have heard storys of it going threw Humvee windshields)To top it off it costs $7 a round!!! With our systems we see around 100yds with foam footballs and water balloons The lightstick rounds go past the 400' mark, they are in no way a safe antipersonel round as they tend to stick into the ground like lawndarts...but they make a great short objective for night games, the teams start 75yds on either side of the mortar and go play "fetch" when its shot.
while 100yds is a little limited it gives you enuff range for most fields and still outranges the snipers. Many people have pointed out that the water ballons can pop if they hit a tree branch, this is true but as long as you shoot threw a gap in the trees it gives you a "airburst" efect when hits somthing on the way down.

[AllenTC2]

Whoa.......I may have to reconsider!!! 200 yds? Surely they can figure some sort of 'warhead'....maybe some sort of drag chute that deploys at the apogee, forcing the warhead to seperate, thus spilling the BBs?

[gunfighters]

did you miss that fact that it costs $1400 ??
the one we made (years ago) that opend after so many truns of the tail propeller. That would one way to build one. The main problem is it needs to be 100% or you run the chance of killing someone(at least really pissing them off). I can't think of anthing in airsoft that works 100% of the time. After its all said and done and a working shell is made, how much more efective would it be than dumping 2000 BBs down the barrel ? no walking to go find(or loseing) what is sure to be a pricey shell and no wories of creaming some one with a shell that malufuntuioned...
But if Any one has a good idea please share it, if it could work it would be cool. and I need a good exuse to pull the vacume former out of storage and make some foam or plastic castings

[AllenTC2]

LOL Bah, it's just money! :p

Well, what appeals to me about a 'working' airsoft mortar is the fact that you'll have to be on your toes ALL the time...just because you don't see anyone moving around doesn't mean you can go strolling through clearings, etc. There may be one guy with a radio in the far treeline who can read a map...a realistic mortar would be great for that.

But granted, there are a lot of obstacles to overcome

[gunfighters]

well the guy in the tree line could have a "light" mortar and just shoot them him self. The efect on the receveing end is the same. And it far easer to have one or maby 2 players caring 7 pounds extra then to talk people in to humping 45 pounds+ 1&1/2 pounds per round(tippmann).

The way to go is the NERF Pocket Vortex(the foam football pictured in D_man's post ans stuck in my door) 2 of the coolest items(hard to find, they come and go or may be out of production) is "howlers" that whistle on the way down and a Firestrike vertion, with super bright LEDs that can be on constantly or set to blink.
Check this clip of a "Howler" http://69.10.141.195/pv/Vortex.wmv
yes it the full sized one but you can get the idea

[Spook]

Remember the Fritos Go canisters? Well lads, all ya need is a tube big enough to hold/launch one. Fill it with 1" styrofoam balls obtainable from the local craft store. When that sucker arches over and starts down, it will dump its submunitions across a wide area.

You can also make cardboard sabots and fill them with spent BBs. just leave the end open. Take a LAW and stand it up semi-vertically and put some legs on it. Crude mortar. If the ragheads can use RPGs as portable artillery, we can use LAWs as mortars.

[JiminyJam]

Airsoft bazooka and mortar
http://www.realistictoyguns.com/airsoft_custom.shtml

[gunfighters]

ya same set up as spook, and most likely about the same as the guts of Dman's
2000 toys, plastic L.A.W. looking "Space" or "Military" Bazooka with a ball valve, iron pipe, and 12 gram co2 quick change. RPG will sell you a kit for a round $100 or if you know what you are doing you could build your own for under $75. $15 for 12 gram quick change, $10 for a ballvalve, $20 for"Space" or "Military" Bazooka from Kabee Toys or Sears, and the rest in the local plumbing area.
Yo DMAN.. 2" PVC barrel and shell, 3/4 valve and expantion chamber.???
How did you put the 12 gram "quick change" in to the system. did you drill and tap an end cap or just wrap it in teflon tape and call the fit "good enuf" in 3/8" NPT??? Aside from the "pocket Vortex" have you tryed any outher amo in you set up (shotgun rounds, water baloons, $0.88 wallmart "foam footballs"???)
???

[Nate The Great]

Woudn't it be possible to take a standard SIR, or RIS 203 greande launcher, modify it a lil bit. Make it look somewhat similar to a motar. And then load standard grenade rounds into there. Or take the grenade launcher make a tube like casing for it and design a make shift LAW. I think that would be safer than any home made launchers, but redesigning it would be a challenge.

[gunfighters]

there are systems like that out there. Not "to" bad an idea for a law, but if a mortar, a 203, and a AEG have the same range there is little point in a mortar. I will just shoot you and call it good.

[hahnaroo]

I downloaded a airsoft clip in kazaa and i see these a group of guys testing out a mortar. Its a shell and he puts gas in it and then drops it down a tube and BBs shoot up. Looks exactly like a mortar.