PRATICAL and SAFE airsoft grenade

[breech]

Posted - Feb 18 2004 : 1:19:02 PM
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so far all the grenade threads i've read turned out to be homemade fireworks with bb's packed inside or soembody using "flour" to "mark" the player they hit, gee why don't we just dress in purple, red and yellow and shoot paint at one another,l bahh to both of these

two main questions haved plaqued the devolpment of an effective and safe airsoft grenade.
1. how can we make them "safe" to throw at people

2. how can we make them "explode" without using any types of pyro

really rather simple answers
1. make them out of rubber.

2. kenitic energy

i give you the tennis ball grenade, cheap, no pyro, easy as hell to make, and most importantly they are safe

take a tennis ball, cut it into six pieces, like you would an orange. hint, number the sides of the tennis ball before you cut it, makes it easier to fit back together

use a little amount of tape to reattach the six pieces into two halfs, fill both the halfs with bbs and reattach these using a little more tape
hint: don't fill the tennis ball completely full, only fill it about 2/3 to 3/4 the tennis ball's capcity

the flexing of the rubber shell when it hits a target, say a tree of somebodies back, should break the tape seal and the kinetic energy that the "grenade" has stored up should release the bbs in a nice spray pattern, the harder you thorw it, the greater the range of the bbs


now i know it doesn't have a pin and you just can't toss it in a bunker and have it "blow up" but i can definaly see uses for something like this in a cqb enviorment or even outside, toss the grenade against a high branch above a bunker to rain bbs down on who ever is dug in on the other side.

test 1. the garage door
i tried one of these outside against my garage, it probably had around 50 to 60 bbs in it, first try was good, it had pretty nice spray pattern about 30-50 square feet, grenade broke apart very nicely.

test 2. flight of stairs
wow, what a mess but what an effect, standing at the top of my basement steps i tossed one of these into the wall at bottom of the steps, ended up getting hit with about ten or so bbs after the release, these things are great for cqb!!

test 3. human target - myself
i figured i should try this out on someone before i go posting directions on how to make it, now my sister didn't want to peg me with a tennis ball, but a little name calling and she was game. A direct hit to my back and the grenade preformed pretty well. all the pieces seperated and i was showered with bbs, most of all it didn't hurt and i was just wearing a sweatshirt.

[notabob]

i dont have any tennis balls to tear up or bbs to waste, but it sounds like a good idea...might be even better if u try a ping pong ball or a raquetball or something. you wouldnt waste as many bbs but you may still be able to get the same effect.

[jboy1317]

Thats actually a really good idea for once. I think I'm gonna try that at our next CQB game!

[Scorpion]

this sounds incredible but i have one question. do you completely separate the slices, or leave a little room at one point so they still stay together; but open up like a flower would. the pieces spreading apart and opening in a circular fashion to reveal the center. thus accurately "aiming" the BBs in one wide angle direction. an example you cut the pieces to spot "X" on the tennis ball. then when you throw it you make sure you hit near point "X" on a wall and thus force the pieces open with the force of impact. that way you could throw the "grenade" behind a wall or into a bunker behind the player and still shower him or her and anyone else close by. just a thought for improvement and if anyone can explain exactly how to cut the ball that would be great; as that is my original question.

[Soultek]

You might as well just take a handful of bbs and chuck them at someone.

[Agent 47]

how about i throw one at your face?


Good idea! i'll try it. I toss a 85 Mph fastball. You best check yo self befo you wreck yoself at the next skirmish, foo.

-Drew

[Sgt. Horvath]

Originally posted by Agent 47


You best check yo self befo you wreck yoself at the next skirmish, foo.

-Drew

Agent 47, your my american idol.

[Bobby]

when somebody perfects the grenade let me know, next step, a mortar to fire it out of

[Kendodude]

well for the mortar idea we can use the design of those gas cannons people build for themselves and use the tennis ball as the mortar round so that the tennis ball will be heavy enough to fall down on the target and shower them with a great impact, unlike shooting a rain of bb's in the air (since they'll trail off into the sunset) that people have tried

[Crossfire]

breech, Could you post a picture or two of your grenade? I would really like to see it. It sound like a great idea, i think ill try and make a few.:)

[jboy1317]

Originally posted by Agent 47
how about i throw one at your face?


Good idea! i'll try it. I toss a 85 Mph fastball. You best check yo self befo you wreck yoself at the next skirmish, foo.

-Drew

Wait a second Agent, were talking about a tennis ball here not a hardball. As for the dodgeball thing, I think you could make a rule that direct hits don't count. This would allow for the tactics to be a little more realistic. More of a "lob" than a linedrive. Sure its not flawless, but its the best idea I've seen yet. As long as these tennis balls aren't used to throw AT people, and instead used to throw NEXT TO people, it is an idea that has some potential.

[Night_Stalker]

Originally posted by Kendodude
well for the mortar idea we can use the design of those gas cannons people build for themselves and use the tennis ball as the mortar round so that the tennis ball will be heavy enough to fall down on the target and shower them with a great impact, unlike shooting a rain of bb's in the air (since they'll trail off into the sunset) that people have tried
That's an awesome idea!

[jboy1317]

The only problem with the mortar idea is that in the process of launching the ball, the bb's might come out. It would be cool to see though...

[M4A1gunner]

I am sorry to say but quit your *****ing and moaning. First off most people can not throw a tenis ball at a person 85mph. Second its a tenins ball with some bbs in it. Its really not going to hurt much. I dont know if anyone plays lax but the ball is WAY harder and people get hit by the ball and you dont see them changing to a differnt ball. I know you are going to say that they wear protection. But it only protects your chest and head. Third I dont think you should burn this dude. Hes got one of the best ideas I know.

[jboy1317]

I agree, and like I said before, if you said direct hits from the ball didn't count as a kill, you would outright get rid of that problem. Everyone just moans everytime a person comes up with an idea, especially a grenade idea just because its a new idea. Lets try it first, then give our opinion. Personally, I believe this idea has some true potential. Sure if airsoft games do deteorate into dodgeball games then this is not gonna work, but until anyone tries it, lets reserve our opinions, negative especially.

[notabob]

um, i like the idea, just dont aim to hit the person...how many movies have u seen where people hit people with grenades?

[M4A1gunner]

haha, well does that count cartoons

[Soultek]

This idea is neither good nor original, ive heard many variations of tennis ball bb grenades.

As for the dodge ball thing, thats exactly what this will become, theres zero chance of getting bbs spreading on the person unless you directly hit them.

Also airsoft is preferred over paintball by many becuase of the extra realism involved, how is chucking a freaking tennis ball around realistic?

If anyone chucks a tennis ball filled with bbs at me at some skirmish, im gonna take the bbs and chuck the tennis ball back at the guys head.

Face it, its not a great idea.

As i said before, why not just chuck a handfull of bbs at someone, it would have the same effect and be just as lame.

[Darkstar]

Though this is one more grenade theory, I still don't see it being that useful.

For one, you mentioned kinetic energy, which I don't see much of unless the tennis ball is spinning. The real problem is transferring any kinetic energy to the BBs, causing them to spread out.

If anything, all I see this grenade doing is simply breaking open and having the BB's spill out. If someone is hit with the ball, it breaks open and spills out some BBs. If you were to hit a tree or something above their heads, the ball may break open and fling some BB's in their direction, but it seems more like a crap shoot than anything.

The only good grenade ideas I've seen were the gas grenade and a kinetic energy grenade.

The gas grenade I've heard people talk of in the past operated in a similar fashion to the more common gas grenades used in the M203 launchers, except that there were two gas cylinders. One to hold the main charger, and one with a calibrated leak to allow for some time to throw it after the pin is pulled.

The kinetic energy grenade that I saw worked fairly well. I think someone on the Strikers team designed it and made a prototype. I believe it used a simple plastic BB grenade which was modified and had a spring loaded bucket on the inside. I remember having to wind up the spring, then loading your BBs. When the grenade went off, the bucket spinned while the grenade popped open, slinging the BB's all over the place. It would be cheap to manufacture and might be somewhat practical and durable, but until someone does it, we'll wait and see.

Darkstar out.

[Spook]

#1. Grenades are not thrown, they are LOBBED. A reallife grenade weighs a little over a pound or so and they are steel. I don't know too many people who can throw one very far with any degree of accuracy. That's why the grenade LAUNCHER was invented, to allow for greater distances that the human cannot possibly achieve. The correct term is toss or lob a grenade, not throw.

#2. A tennis ball is fuzzy. If you attached masking tape to said fuzzy object, it will NOT seperate. It will instead stick together.

#3. A tennis ball can break a man's nose or jaw, or put his eye out. Think I'm kiddin', stand in the way of a Boris Becker 140 mph serve. Let anything strike you in the face at high speed and tell me it doesn't hurt. Get a GRIP people.

#4. The level of maturity I am seeing here does not impress me ladies. GET INTO YER PT GEAR AND MEET ME OUTSIDE ON THE GRINDER! YOU GOT 2 MINUTES! MOVE MOVE MOVE! (Adjusts Smokey da Bear cover.) Darkstar and Soultek...you are excluded from the party.

:D

[Texx]

I like the idea of throwing tennis balls at people. We should also hand out mini-baseball bats to use for "knife kills." Since you can't "stab" with the mini bats, you have to throw them. And we could use lawn darts for mortars. Of course, my airsoft tactical nuke idea wasn't appreciated as much as this one, but that's what I get for making "canned biscuit" comments.

Screw the grenades, pass me the torilla dough.....

[notabob]

lol. people are losing the realism when they start using nerf guns and tennis balls (the idea may be ok for your little backyard skirmishes)...come up with something that looks like a grenade and works like a grenade and ill then give you some brownie points. until then...i guess im with texx on this one...pass the tortilla dough...

[armyboy]

Dido!

[Agent 47]

First off most people can not throw a tenis ball at a person 85mph.

I can. I agree with texx :D i liked his airsoft napalm idea :(

[Slipp]

OK... This is by-far the most unrealistic idea to change airsoft I have ever seen. I can imagine the extent to which the grenade may be practical, but there are several reasons why no one would use them.
Every time you run there is gonna be a loud shakey noise from your grenade. When you lob the grenade into the tree or whatever nearby your enemy there is absouletly no garrentee that the bbs will spray out and hit them. On top of all of the stuff everyone else mentioned, there is no way i would but 60 bbs (3 mags worth on my MP5) into a tennis ball that I would lob at things and hope they hit people.

[Bad Karma]

Hey guys, I know I'm new to the area but I actually have been in the process of designing a new REUSABLE non PYRO safe M67 type frag. I know you must all have your doubts but I assure you that my design will work. Being a mechanical engineer anything that doesn't exist that is in demand sparks my interest. The idea of a airsoft grenade that works just like a real steel grenade was just too much for me to pass up. Over the course of the past 6 months and with the help of some of my friends from NEASG, I've been able to come up with a design that will not only impress visually but will function like a real grenade. If anyone is interested I'll post more info.

[Night_Stalker]

Originally posted by Bad Karma
Hey guys, I know I'm new to the area but I actually have been in the process of designing a new REUSABLE non PYRO safe M67 type frag. I know you must all have your doubts but I assure you that my design will work. Being a mechanical engineer anything that doesn't exist that is in demand sparks my interest. The idea of a airsoft grenade that works just like a real steel grenade was just too much for me to pass up. Over the course of the past 6 months and with the help of some of my friends from NEASG, I've been able to come up with a design that will not only impress visually but will function like a real grenade. If anyone is interested I'll post more info.
This I wanna see!

[airsoftfreak]

I would like to see it, it sounds interesting.

[kurt]

dude...this would be the coolest addition to the game of airsoft. and just tink of how much money yuo would make selling theese things to people

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

there is no doubt there is a demand for airsoft grenades, if you can post a pic or something in a new thread that would be great.