Made a hand grenade

[Professor Fate]

I just got done making a hand grenade for airsoft. Basically all it is is a M-88 firecracker with about 72 or so 6mm pellets taped around it with clear packing tape.
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You get the idea. Anyway, I perforated the tape around each pellet (yes it took a while) with a hobby knife to let the pellets break away easily when it explodes. I have not yet tried one, as it is 11o'clock at night and I don't want the cops called on me. I'll give one a whirl after school tomorrow and let you know what happens. In theory it looks brilliant but it's probably another dud idea of mine. They do take quite a while to make. Any comments? If these work... Oh baby!

[Fox]

Illegal in any offical ohio event... its a pryotechic device.

Private use... its fine.. plus its been done before.

[Hudak]

Yea, it's been done countless times. Their's some UK site that sells some pretty good ones. My team orders a couple hundred pluss some flashbangs each year. They work pretty well.

[CoOk!3 6()|)]

Originally posted by Hudak
Yea, it's been done countless times. Their's some UK site that sells some pretty good ones. My team orders a couple hundred pluss some flashbangs each year. They work pretty well.

Where do you order from? most places in the UK refuse to ship pyrotechnics outside of the Uk. can you give me a link?

[M4A1gunner]

wow, that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, not only its been repeated so many times

[Crossfire]

Wouldn't the M-88 fry all the bbs when it detonated? Just asking, because the only hand-thrown-airsoft-weapon devise i have experience with are smoke grenades.

Another thing, where would you throw the grenade if it is a real explosive? I would think it would get a little messy if you threw it into a group of opposing players.

yes, could you please give a link to the flashbangs, those would be nice to have.

[^cRYpTic^]

Seems to me like a waste of BB's, plus you run a risk of hurting whoever your throwing it at. By the way, what weight BB's are you using?

[ArmyHummer]

Well yea with such an explosion it would moreso fragment the bb's then fling them. Which is a primary reason they are not allowed in AO games. They render those mesh masks useless, and even make normal goggles more prone to damage given the shrapnel effect at close range.

[Professor Fate]

Sorry guys, I didn't realize that this had been done before (although it doesn't come as much of a shock). I don't think that it would hurt anyone too much. I've had these things (M-88)go off in my hand before and it's no big deal. I'm using .12g bb's cryptic.

[Dougrich]

Interesting I wouldn't personelly use it as a grenade, maybe a directional mine would be a better way to use this. I'm interesting to know how it worked out.

[Hudak]

www.enolagaye.com

I'm not sure if they personally ship to the U.S., I have a girlfriend in England who just moved and she sends em, thats where she got em all from though.

[Grease Man]

I've had these things (M-88)go off in my hand before and it's no big deal. I'm using .12g bb's cryptic.

Maybe you shouldent be near fireworks Professor. Having one go off in your hand shows your lack of good judgment.

A true Flashbang would be a terrible prop to use in an airsoft game. Not only do they have a fairly high explosion, but also an ear damaging bang. I've read countless reports where people have been badly burned, and injured, when swat teams have used flash bangs. Don't get me wrong they are excellent for law enforcement, but the only flashbangs I want to see on an airsoft skirmish are the dummy ones that hold BB's.

[Crossfire]

I dont think that the flashbangs that Hudak is talking about would hurt anybody. They dont seem to be law enforcement grade, so they probably would have a much more quieter sound and not so bright flash.

[DeltaSniper]

ALso, im assuming you didnt close your hand on that firecracker that went off. i dont recall what movie it is (someome will know im sure) but they made an analogy that with a firecracker in your open plam you get burnt. With that hand closed youre minus a few fingers.
this can cause issues. its just not a good idea.

Hudak am i curious about your flash bangs. are they LE items?

[deebomaster]

It is a quote from one of those "oh my God an asteroid is headed for EARTH and WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" movies......don't remember which, but I believe it was Armagedon.



-Deebo

[^cRYpTic^]

A real flashbang does pack a punch. When one goes off there is such a bright light and a loud noise that the target is completely immobilized for enough time to have a SWAT team or whatever move in, and I really doubt that they care how much it hurts :) The idea of using a real one in a game is crazy, because they are designed to mess you up.

[Hudak]

The ones we use arn't anything compaired to the real ones, their the legal version that can't permanently damage someone. They produce a bright light and loud noise though. I've never endured the effects but a couple of my teammates have. They said they just couldn't see for a couple seconds, giving the rest of my team yime to storm the room and extract our said hostage.

[Hudak]

Also, no idea what LE means. I just get em' from enolagaye in the UK, a friend sends a bunch over for me, i dunno if the company itself does though. If ur referin to LE as lay enforcement though, then no. They use em at Firefight and other major UK airsoft ops.

[ArmyHummer]

Yes LE is referring to Law Enforcement

[AllenTC2]

LOL Oddly enough, I got a LE supply catalog in the mail yesterday. Not only where there some smoke grenades, but also CS grenades!!! The first thing that went through my mind was "Boy, that'll cause hell with any asthma sufferers at a game!" :D

So ya wanna play MILSIM eh?? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

Oh well, it was an amusing thought!

[sfreconmavrick]

i love how everyone promotes ppl to try to invent things. I got an idea, how bout you not include all your rude a$$ opinions w/ your posts. Corrective critisism...you guys should try it. Or are you just being a jerk because someone was a jerk to you all your life and u feel like it will make u a bigger person for tearing someone down for trying to come up w/ an idea we could all use.

its been invented, thats fine, just say it. Dont be a jerk and tell him how dumb he is for it. I dont know if someone told you it was cool to make fun of ppl, but you are sadly mistaken. I doubt u'd say that to his face, cuz if i was him... so dont say it on the board. I havent been here that long , but some of you i see w/ large post counts, how does it look when new ppl try to come along and all they see is that when someone posts they get made fun of. Boards are for education and new ideas. None of what you have said is promoting either one. Just keep your mouth shut. You might be repressing the person that comes up w/ the best idea in the world for airsoft someday.

Even tho its already been done, i say keep trying. I'm sure you'll find somthing that works. I would suggest that u stay away from explosives, they are illegal in league games but more than none, if one goes off or doesnt go off till later, it could find a way to hurt. Its more technical, but try things w/ compressed air. I've got a land mine made that uses a lil CO2 cartridge and has an electronic circuit that detonates 3 seconds after i send it a signal from an IR remote. and i've got a "pull the pin when you step on it" version. It works great. I suggest trying something along those lines.

[AllenTC2]

Now now, don't get bent all out of kilter....

I think the "you're some dumb" comments stem more from the "I used an M-88" part, not the desire to make an airsoft grenade. And upon reflection, I didn't have much sense as a teen either. Using an actual explosive device would have made perfect sense to me too...at the time. However, I'd like to think that after sleeping on it a night, I'd realize "Hmmmm...that may not be the safest way."

[^cRYpTic^]

well put reconmav. This land mine of your sounds interesting. You should create a separate thread for it.

[Dougrich]

Professor how did it work out give me some information.

[DeltaSniper]

Easy there lebowski...

I saw ONE comment to the effect of "youre dumb." Everyone else, such as myself, merely pointed out the obvious safety hazard, or that this idea had been thought of before. Not to mention that it plainly violates rule 8 of the saftey rules on the side.

I might have to agree that some old timers are harsh to react, but AO is the wealth of information it is (or was pre hack.. and wil become again some day) because we do tend to crack down on "noobs" to keep it clean. Those newbs also need to learn for themselves. People like D man, fox and all the big posters, who are relative books on many topics in airsoft, all were noobs at one time. They too have taken their share of beratement and correction at the hands of others. Ive been in AO since May 2002, and ive seen alot of things happen. Ive taken my share of beratement and or correction for talking out of my @ss, being misinformed, etc. Im still here. I am a pretty smart guy when it comes to airsoft these days.

Im in no way promoting the mistreatment of new comers, or old timers even, but what i see in this thread is mostly constructive criticism and pointing out obvious flaw. Only one post was uncalled for.

its just the way of this forum i think.

[Professor Fate]

Well guys, thanks for all your criticism and your support. As you guys predicted, it didn't work out too well in the end. Yet another of my crackpot ideas. Those rules are there for a reason. Airsoft is airsoft and 4th of July is 4th of July. They shouldn't mix. I still want a cheap, effective, and legal grenade for airsoft though. I guess I'll have to wait for some company to make one. All criticism is welcome because I don't take offense and it helps a newb like me learn. Thanks again.