CQB Techniques/Limits

[LegacySlayer]

Hello Everyone, Legacy here.. I have a few quick questions regarding overall CQB rules. I played "Backyard" airsoft with little rules, out on a huge farm. I know most the techniques we considered "legal" moves are illegal in public fields. (Such as weapon disarms, using your opponents weapons, taking hostages for human shields etc..) But I was wondering about: 1. Knife kills, we required a rubber training knife (Cold steel works best) to be touched to the player, however players were allowed to disarm or block the tap as long as they didnt injure the tapping player. Is this still allowed in public fields, or no?

2. Point blank encounters, I know you are unable to disarm opponents in public fields, but are you able to redirect their firearm in CQB? I ask because I do alot of knife kills, and most of the time amatuers seem to get scared when i pop out and end up shooting me point-blank with a 300-400-fps gun, to remedy this I grabbed the barrel of the rifle and pointed it down as i tapped my opponents, would this be considered illegal in public airsoft fields? Thanks in advance for any and all assistance, I really appreciate it, - Legacy Out

[M0nk3y]

1. To my knowledge, Rubber Knifes aren't allowed at events for the safety of everyone there. There is just tapping a player on the shoulder or arm. It serves the same purpose.

2. I don't think you should ever grab someone else's weapon while playing CQB. Some people run some expensive set-ups, and it might just not make the situation any better by doing this. Also, with the people attending the major events (Hosted by SPEAR, 08th, Strikers, Stormblade...etc). They know their limits when it comes to CQB.

When I run into a CQB environment, I try to switch to my sidearm most of the times, it's smaller, and less FPS if I do have to pull the trigger in a CQB environment.

You have to realize though, in CQB environments, there are times where safety kills are going to be called and a person will accidentally shoot, it's apart of the game.

Hope this helps until the veterans chime in

[LegacySlayer]

1. Ok thanks, my knife training wont come in handy in public fields then, no biggie, makes it easier.

2. I dont mind getting shot in the chest, but amatuers tend to aim high, and since i dont wear a full face mask (Just goggles) the impact tends to hurt, i got scars from BBs embedding into my skin LOL. And i gotta say, regardless of the physical contact rules, anyone who shoots me point blank in the face, is gonna wish they didnt.. I understand a face shot from 50 yards, BB projection is unpredictable, but point blank... come on...

But thanks for the insight Monkey,
- Legacy Out

[M0nk3y]

Trust me, we have all experienced a point blank shot at one point or another....The people that have know what it is like and take the extra pre-cautions to make sure it doesn't happen to someone else.

[Spectre]

Knife kills and CQB-esque questions such as this are well documented on these boards. I suggest you go search and read up on them. Learn what is acceptable and what is not. Most of what you posted...is not deemed acceptable in most games.

Don't assume that "amateurs" are the only one's aiming high. Don't assume that "vets" always aim chest level.

Stating "anyone who shoots me point blank in the face, is gonna wish they didnt.." really isn't a smart thing to say. Insinuating confrontation with another player that is not sportsman-like is not in any way a good thing.

[LegacySlayer]

I did search the boards, nothing regarding my disarm question came up, so I posted it, thats what forums are for. And yes, I admit occasionally I even aim higher than I should, but with Hop up settings, you cant really predict the trajectory of the BB. And you shouldnt assume that I was threatening when I said "Is gonna wish they didnt" Im not like that, I do my payback on the field by the book, you get on my bad side, youre MINE for the next 2 or 3 games. I prefer to make friends, but shooting someone point blank anywhere, will tend to make enemies.

[AWOL]

I said "Is gonna wish they didnt" Im not like that, I do my payback on the field by the book, you get on my bad side, youre MINE for the next 2 or 3 games. I prefer to make friends, but shooting someone point blank anywhere, will tend to make enemies.


OK, I just have to jump in here now. NO ONE is an enemy. Please don't come to a game with that attitude. We play a game of honor, and respect. If someone shoots you point blank, or in the face, let the field organizer know. If you need medical attention, seek it. Loose your temper and actions will be taken against you from all the Teams I know that host events. Most of us just kick you out and ban you. Others call the police and let them handle it.

Speaking as a vet of being shot in the face and also having shot others in the face, I can tell you s--t happens. None of us means to do it.

I can also tell you, that many of the guys here would have you on your backside if you jumped them with a knife in your hand. They wouldn't do it to hurt you. The training they have will kick in and you will be on the loosing end. So just tell them safety kill and most people will accept it. If not, don't take matters into your own hands. Contact the field refs and let them do it for you.

About grabbing the barrel thing. I have been in the same position. I didnt touch it. I don't want to be the reason some kids gun breaks. However, it sounds like people are blind firing. I will be behind my M4 when I turn that corner. If you wanna try and safety kill me when my barrel is aimed at you, good luck. That is a time when we would both be out, provided your weapon was drawn and not a knife. You don't want to be the guy that brings a knife to a gun fight. You will lose.

I don't mean to sound crabby, but this gets me going. I don't like it when people talk about making enemies on the field. Like the saying goes, " at the end of the day, we are guys playing war with toy guns".

[Aiden]

shooting someone point blank anywhere, will tend to make enemies.

Intentionally getting inside a minimum engagement distance to use a rubber knife, then complaining when you're shot by a scared kid, will tend to make enemies. Grabbing the gun would only make it worse.

At 99% of events in IL we don't allow rubber training knives to be used for knife kills on the field, safety kills are the only proper method for engagements under ___feet. Granted point blank engagements sometimes occur, but a majority of players strive to avoid such encounters.

Also, if the kid has a gun pointed at you while you jump out to knife kill him, he has YOU dead to rights inside the MED. Most players would honor that as a kill, even if the kid didn't say "bang".

[Texx]

First off - rubber training knives are not safe to use. You have no idea what training level other players may have and attempting to attack them with a weapon could result in your injury and/or death. While they are rubber, they can still bruise or injure a person. That is usually grounds from removal from the field.

Second point, organized and legitimate airsoft games, which you will find on this site, usually do not allow any type of physical contact. Physical contact can lead to injuries and ultimately lawsuits and charges filed. This is not safe, nor does it promote the hobby in a positive light.

While many of you new guys will claim lack of realism, you have to remember that safe airsoft has rules that must be followed so that players can come back and play at the next game. While you younger guys may not think much of rough-housing around, if I rough-housed around with you, it would hurt, you would bleed, and then I'd have explain to your mom why you have a dislocated shoulder and a broken jaw.

Granted, it would be over drinks and you would call me daddy afterwards, but I can't spend that kind of time with every noob's mom. There just isn't enough of me to go around, especially given the amount of noobs out there these days.

[LegacySlayer]

I wasnt planning on bringing a rubber knife, I was just asking since the only experience I have is back yard rules. And about the enemy thing, I dont take it literally at all, Its all in fun, I just keep track of the scores that need to be settled, off the field im friends with anybody who has respect and decency, On the field i become rambo and i will hunt you down and kill you if you anger me (Disclaimer: Not kill literally of course...) Also i need to work on my team skills, I usually do everything by myself which gets me the most kills when im not sniping.. but also 70% of the time me going solo costs us the game.

[Texx]

Yeah. Closed.