Another NEW CQB field in Cinci!

[513Sherman]

I met a guy at work who was talking about a paintball field hes opening, he has the building and financials set aside to do it and is currently working through the corporate part of it. After listening to his idea, i told him about airsoft, and how much easier, and closer it would be to his idea. He still wants to do both but is quickly learning from me airsoft is the way to go.

He wants some help in designing the place, and that my friends is where i ask for your help.

Hit me with what you like and don't like of the following, i already got some great reflections from mr kong, Thanks by the way.

1). He wants to make the walls of the place movable so that experience changes week to week.

2). Hes looking for ideas on rentals for younger crowd, ive been trying to explain to him the older airsoft groups will BYOG. I don't think hes looking for serious weapons for rentals, i think hes looking for gas or possibly even EBB pistols, mainly for the younger crowd. Something inexpensive he can toss and replace if it breaks.

3). Has an idea to have a 2 story on each end were a possible sniper could sit but much more likely, an observer who could help his team by radio. Also looked into building a catwalk so out players, or others could spectate.

4). Possibly looking into setting up major events, like a tournament for a trophy(or possibly something of more value, guns, parts, ect.) and the most prized possession :bragging rights. My question is would this interest you?

5). CQB is going to limit the number of players on the field at one time, but hes working on another aspect of the building, hes opening another part of it up as a hard core gaming center with plasmas and xboxes, to hold tournaments in that fashion. (i already want to live here.)

6). Possibly running a more expensive type of game, where your team of 4-8 would compete against a staff or staff picked group, and compete against the clock to complete an objective. With movable walls, making a new level would be as easy as pushing them around. Limits such as ammo count, mag size, time, staff body armor(multiple hits), objectives, and possible boss battles(who wouldn't love to take down the drug dealer with a gold AK) could be set into place to make it more challenging. Much like a real life video game.

7). Competitors will most likely be bracketed by age, so your playing with people of your caliber or better. He wants everyone involved though, 13+.

7). Last, need ideas on FPS limits, Gun limits, (no MK249s ect).

Also if anyone in the greater Cincinnati area is interested in helping with the design of the field, PM me. He told me he wanted me to bring a couple of people down to throw out some ideas with the space he has. He also might be offering us some money for bringing people in.

Hes looking for a soft opening in 2 months. If anyone is interested in playing in a soft opening, let me know by PM as well.

[Fish20]

1) moveable walls sound awesome, but how will they be fixed in place while they're not being moved? I was playing at the Red Dragon open yesterday and almost knocked over (or more likely would have broke it) one of the pallet barrier things there because I hopped behind it so quick. You'll have people intentionally or unintentionally running into these walls.

2) JG or Echo-1 AEGs or something around that price range. GBB pistols are probably not worth the work to maintain them and the price difference isn't worth it (in my opinion). Only problem with some of the less expensive guns (like Echo's) are they shoot hot out of the box. (my experience at least). Not sure if it's just the Echo's or if there are other brands around the same price range that shoot lower FPS that would work.

3) Sounds cool, just watch to make sure nobody falls :)

4) Ok I'm sure there are some that would not like this idea. As long as it's not always that kind of play it will be good. However, how are you going to determine what prizes people get when everyone is supposed to act as a team? For me, the biggest issue this would pose is essentially encouraging non teamplay like behavior and increased cheating.

5) This will take more money to set up then just using that area to increase CQB and available play area. It will also need to be isolated and maybe even soundproofed if he wants to have airsoft games going on at the same time. Don't want a bb to hit that nice plasma screen :) and don't want the video games interrupted with screams, or someone just wandering over there when they're out with a loaded gun (which admittedly they should be smart enough to NOT do but you know...) Just a couple of thoughts...

6) Sounds un airsoftish and depending upon the building size could take a long time to complete. Rules would have to be significantly tweaked, and I can tell you it's hard to "count your hits" (at least in my opinion).

7) Don't know if I'd bracket them, but I definitely would set a minimum age limit. This will probably be dictated by the insurance company though, and then he can determine to up it from there if he wants. I have nothing against young kids, hell I'm 20 myself, but I know when I was younger I thought I was "the ****," and now I know I'm not. Just something to ponder....

8) Inside the building, probably 350 FPS, anything higher can get dangerous, especially if someone is hit in the teeth. I wouldn't necessarily limit the guns, if someone wants to carry a 249 that's their choice, but again the FPS limit is the biggest thing. And don't make exceptions.

Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that it should be less than 300 FPS for full auto, but I don't know how doable that is for most people.

[Skate]

Moving walls would be interesting, I guess if he has his heart set on that he should go for it.

I have already suggested these to another new field opening up, so I'll say it again. CMO28's are only $100 easy to use, fairly low fps, and are built like a rock for their price.

The tower sounds like a good idea, make sure it is structurally sound though, don't want a collapse.

If you can make this work than I guess that It would be alright, although would it be team based objectives or like some weird 1v1 type of thing?

This is completely irrelevant to an airsoft field, but again, whatever floats his boat.

I don't like the idea of age so much. I understand where its coming from, but segregation by age seems like it could be a disadvantage for the younger crowd, as the milsim style of play (that I like) is consisted of mostly older people.

FPS under 340 inside. Don't bend on this, if its only 345, don't let them in. I don't see a purpose of restricting the actual weapons themselves. M249's would be impractical anyway in a cqc environment.

[Spectre]

This is not paintball. We don't play for prizes, trophies, bragging rights. The sport use to be about fun, friends and occasionally hardcore attitude, something that has been lacking lately. Honor. Maybe someone with airsoft experience should be opening up a "CQB" field, not paintball field owners looking to make more money.

[Locutus]

I've done the math on an airsoft CQB field many times, it is not self sustaining. The only people that will be opening them are those who have no knowledge of the airsoft community and therefor do not have reasonable expectations of turnout.

[MeticulousAssasin]

I've done the math on an airsoft CQB field many times, it is not self sustaining. The only people that will be opening them are those who have no knowledge of the airsoft community and therefor do not have reasonable expectations of turnout.

It is possible to have a highly successful airsoft arena. When I go to my other house in Florida, there is a cqb place there that makes ton of money and hold games every day. Yes, they've been open for about 5 years now.

[Locutus]

It is possible to have a highly successful airsoft arena. When I go to my other house in Florida, there is a cqb place there that makes ton of money and hold games every day. Yes, they've been open for about 5 years now.

I didn't say it wasn't possible in Florida. ;)

[Spec-Ops]

I met a guy at work who was talking about a paintball field hes opening, he has the building and financials set aside to do it and is currently working through the corporate part of it. After listening to his idea, i told him about airsoft, and how much easier, and closer it would be to his idea. He still wants to do both but is quickly learning from me airsoft is the way to go.

He wants some help in designing the place, and that my friends is where i ask for your help.

Hit me with what you like and don't like of the following, i already got some great reflections from mr kong, Thanks by the way.

1). He wants to make the walls of the place movable so that experience changes week to week.

2). Hes looking for ideas on rentals for younger crowd, ive been trying to explain to him the older airsoft groups will BYOG. I don't think hes looking for serious weapons for rentals, i think hes looking for gas or possibly even EBB pistols, mainly for the younger crowd. Something inexpensive he can toss and replace if it breaks.

3). Has an idea to have a 2 story on each end were a possible sniper could sit but much more likely, an observer who could help his team by radio. Also looked into building a catwalk so out players, or others could spectate.

4). Possibly looking into setting up major events, like a tournament for a trophy(or possibly something of more value, guns, parts, ect.) and the most prized possession :bragging rights. My question is would this interest you?

5). CQB is going to limit the number of players on the field at one time, but hes working on another aspect of the building, hes opening another part of it up as a hard core gaming center with plasmas and xboxes, to hold tournaments in that fashion. (i already want to live here.)

6). Possibly running a more expensive type of game, where your team of 4-8 would compete against a staff or staff picked group, and compete against the clock to complete an objective. With movable walls, making a new level would be as easy as pushing them around. Limits such as ammo count, mag size, time, staff body armor(multiple hits), objectives, and possible boss battles(who wouldn't love to take down the drug dealer with a gold AK) could be set into place to make it more challenging. Much like a real life video game.

7). Competitors will most likely be bracketed by age, so your playing with people of your caliber or better. He wants everyone involved though, 13+.

7). Last, need ideas on FPS limits, Gun limits, (no MK249s ect).

Also if anyone in the greater Cincinnati area is interested in helping with the design of the field, PM me. He told me he wanted me to bring a couple of people down to throw out some ideas with the space he has. He also might be offering us some money for bringing people in.

Hes looking for a soft opening in 2 months. If anyone is interested in playing in a soft opening, let me know by PM as well.

I like this idea when you told me about it at the night game at Red Dragon, let me know when your going to have the first game and I'll try to make it out there.

For rentals, i would look into Echo 1 and for fps in cqb, 350 or below.

[513Sherman]

This is not paintball. We don't play for prizes, trophies, bragging rights. The sport use to be about fun, friends and occasionally hardcore attitude, something that has been lacking lately. Honor. Maybe someone with airsoft experience should be opening up a "CQB" field, not paintball field owners looking to make more money.

The man is more interested in training people with actual cqb tactics, hes got someone else with actual experience to train younger people how to do things properly, and advance their skills.

As i said in the intro, he didn't know what airsoft was until i told him, so using actual replica guns, with realistic ammo counts, for hundreds less then what he would spend on paintball immediately sounded like a good idea to him.

Likewise, while airsoft in OUR opinion, well, at least mine, is the better sport, paintball is still big and sad to say WAY more recognizable to people than airsoft. We even play at paintball fields. So combining the two, when opening a place like this is almost imperative. And the gaming complex is there to also bring in more people.

[Fish20]

And the gaming complex is there to also bring in more people.

Oh it will bring in people. People that play airsoft or paintball? Not for sure, but people none the less.

Like I said, my main concern about that idea is paintball and airsoft being played in close proximity. Not to mention it's going to jack up his start up cost by a lot, and if he insures it all it might add expense in that area too.

You're right though about paintball being more recognizable, it also doesn't draw nearly as much negative press when people hear about it. Unfortunately, there is a trend wherein people like to run around with their COOLZZZZ AIRSOFT GUNZZZ and give us all a bad name :( Not to mention the legal problems that have popped up....

But I digress. That gaming area sounds cool but if I'm going to drive out to a field it's going to be for airsoft, not for something I can get in my bedroom or at a coffee shop or other dedicated LAN/gaming store/place that is closer to my house (and that more than likely most of the people playing there will have near their house too).

[Sparky]

1). He wants to make the walls of the place movable so that experience changes week to week.
Using plywood walls nailed to 2x4's would be a possibility. The walls wont be very stable so people wouldn't be able to lean against them. Cheap and light, thats how I'd most likely do it...

2). Hes looking for ideas on rentals for younger crowd, ive been trying to explain to him the older airsoft groups will BYOG. I don't think hes looking for serious weapons for rentals, i think hes looking for gas or possibly even EBB pistols, mainly for the younger crowd. Something inexpensive he can toss and replace if it breaks.
GBB or EBB pistols are easy to find cheap... AEG's however... I'd reccomend Cybergun / MATRIX / UTG / etc.. They're cheap, and can be replaced easily.


3). Has an idea to have a 2 story on each end were a possible sniper could sit but much more likely, an observer who could help his team by radio. Also looked into building a catwalk so out players, or others could spectate.
you'd have to build it to agree with proper building codes and the such... You dont want to have it poorly made, someone falls off/through then sues the company... It's a nice idea but will be costly.

4). Possibly looking into setting up major events, like a tournament for a trophy(or possibly something of more value, guns, parts, ect.) and the most prized possession :bragging rights. My question is would this interest you?
Yep

5). CQB is going to limit the number of players on the field at one time, but hes working on another aspect of the building, hes opening another part of it up as a hard core gaming center with plasmas and xboxes, to hold tournaments in that fashion. (i already want to live here.)

If you're going to LAN connect each Xbox then the ISP doesn't really matter much... However, if you're going to have each Xbox LIVE ready, you'll need 1 or 2 highspeed cable internet connections.

6). Possibly running a more expensive type of game, where your team of 4-8 would compete against a staff or staff picked group, and compete against the clock to complete an objective. With movable walls, making a new level would be as easy as pushing them around. Limits such as ammo count, mag size, time, staff body armor(multiple hits), objectives, and possible boss battles(who wouldn't love to take down the drug dealer with a gold AK) could be set into place to make it more challenging. Much like a real life video game.
I don't see how this would be much different then any force on force style of play, go for it!


7). Competitors will most likely be bracketed by age, so your playing with people of your caliber or better. He wants everyone involved though, 13+.
Age doesn't always grant maturity.... It's a nice idea, but you'll end up with less people willing to come out to play. I'd reccomend no age brackets and just having rules such as AO has. (under 18 max FPS is 400) rules like that....

8). Last, need ideas on FPS limits, Gun limits, (no MK249s ect).
I'd reccomend no higher then 350 FPS on SEMI
No higher then 300 FPS on full auto

Also if anyone in the greater Cincinnati area is interested in helping with the design of the field, PM me. He told me he wanted me to bring a couple of people down to throw out some ideas with the space he has. He also might be offering us some money for bringing people in.

Hes looking for a soft opening in 2 months. If anyone is interested in playing in a soft opening, let me know by PM as well.