A quick question about TM MK23 NBB

[Tripod]

This gun comes with a L.A.M. unit and I haven't been able to figure out if you could put an actual laser in the L.A.M., or is this L.A.M. crap? I know it has some light in it, but does that light HAVE to be in it?

Any help on this would be appreciated, thanx

[feelmyrage1]

my friend has the mk23 w/ lam. i have seen a kit that comes with laser ready for installation, the light on the other hand is not bright enough for tactical use, some would disagree but i have seen it in action.

[Tripod]

Well I know that already, but can I buy a laser and put it in the LAM or is there no way to take out the light already in it?

[Cobalt-Blue]

Tripod,
I have had the NBB mk23 SOCOM for about six months now and it is fantastic- cosmetically, accuracy, reliability, and sheer overall utility in cold weather all the way up to desert heat. (se my previous threads on this subject)

A- the LAM unit (real steel =LEM) shines a blue-white flashlight when engaged, either constantly or you can flash it for code. For code and blinding opponents REAL close (like 10-15' MAX) it is sufficient. The light will NOT serve you well if you are trying to light your way.

B- the LAM unit, when engaged ALWAYS shines a dim red LED from behind a distorted plastic lens. it is for show/simulation only.

1- I have yet to find a laser that will fit into the internal cavity of the LAM unit. second, one would have to find a way to power it up- and if you have seen the LAM unit- it's internal cavity is SMALL and adding the utility of a new power source or an on/off switch fo r afunctioning laser would require drilling.

2- I have yet to see a taclight small enough to fit in the LAM unit, with the same difficulties as mentioned about teh laser, though it would be slightly easier to trick out a light, though that slight is still close to none.

- thje gun itself rocks. it has distance accuracy and is very dependable. it also fields strips quite nicely into three distinct parts. The Suppresor works too which can be a real advantage- as long as you are comfortable with sacrificing a little FPS and A small degree of accuracy (like the real deal.)

I've been looking for real steel LEM units- try starting at a grand. The H+K tac rail is proprietory and one would have to find a company that made them specifically for the H+K rail system.

why a grand?- real steel LEM units include- a brilliant blinding taclight; a real mil-spec laser; an invisible spectrum IF flashlight, and an invisible spectrum IF Laser dot- both are only viewable with NVG's- quite excessive for airsoft.

you can also try your luck with ebayers- however I seriously would look into them and ask them questions as many are not necesarily well read on the differences betweeen gun-rails. I've seen them start as low as $100

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3608987723&category=383

anyway good luck and let me know how it turns out- I have one too and wouldn't mind an upgrade...

[Cobalt-Blue]

I forgot to mention that lasers in general are really useful for group CQB- so you don't shoot your buddies- but it can be difficult to say the least to track the laser about a room- and nigh impossible outdoors. Also some people may not play with you for fear of being blinded- ask your local field about their regulations, I know several people have been banned from playing at certain fields for just that offense.

[Cobalt-Blue]

well I spoke too soon- here is an auction for an adjustable rail mounted laser sight at a reasonable price for the power- however everything I said above about your field and other's eye safety is still valid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=383&item=3608988319

[Tripod]

ok so I guess the included LAM unit isn't able to carry a laser. You can buy a LAM unit with a laser for like 100 bucks, check redwolf airsoft

[DumboRAT]

All,

Items such as this one that Cobalt cited above:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=383&item=3608988319

Are low to mid-grade real-steel lasersights. They are easily capable of being used for your airsoft replicas, and are actually very well suited to their purpose.

However:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3608987723&category=383

Avoid this like the plague.

These combination LED & lasersight units are low-quality pieces of junk.

The LEDs are unsuitable for anything other than low-light navigational purposes (shine them in my eyes, I'll just laugh at you and pull out my SureFire and shine that in yours -- currently, no mass-market production LED-based lights offer sufficient lighting "power" to be used as a true force-option "tactical light"). They also ALWAYS switch on with the laser, as both share the same switch.

The laser itself is also flawed, with many examples showing defects in the lens assembly that reveals artifacts (defects in the laser "spot/beam" when projected on-target).

What's worst of all is that the switch tape for this item runs from the lower rear border of the unit's cylindrical body, but does so with a very tenuous connection that I would not trust to use in skirmish situations fearing for even a slight snag pulling this critical connector apart and damaging the unit. It's use of "hearing aid/watch" batteries is yet another major down-point, as such batteries have nowhere near the life nor the power output of the smaller "camera" batteries used in other, better, mid-grade lasersight units.

If you want a good-enough tactical-light & lasersight combo, you'll have to ante up for the Streamlight/Insight Technologies M6.

Trust me, this "SureShot" and others like it are a waste of money.

How can I be so sure?

I tried them (I still own the item, albeit I've taped-off the LEDs and mounted this item as a lasersight only).

Allen
aka DumboRAT

[Cobalt-Blue]

Dumbo,
is the M6 adjustable for the H+K-USP/MK23 LAM rail? I've only seen them advertised attached to Glocks and Berretas and having never sen one with my own two eyes I was unsure.

[DumboRAT]

Cobalt,

Unfortuantely, not without an adaptor.

The M6 units are configured exactly like the M3s, and are more or less Glock-proprietary/Weaver/Picatinny-rail mount specific.

GG&G offers a HK-rail conversion adaptor that will allow you to fit the M3 -- and thus, the M6 -- to the HK replicas. A slight modification is necessary, but it really is a basic job. Search the AirsoftZone Forums for the step-by-step details as another hobbyist has posted in the past, if you feel the need to get a perfect picture before you buy, but honestly, it's an easy mod to achieve even without the detailed directions.

=)

Allen
aka DumboRAT