Good Gun?

[Koko]

http://www.combatdepot.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=735&=010958b812ac5476b91bd330214bbfee

I was looking at this and thinking about getting it for Christmas. I was wondering if it is a good brand, or if you know anything about the specific model. I was going to get a spring version of the same gun, but I decided to save up to get this instead.

Any comments?

Other possibilities:

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[MacDaddy]

Good idea to save up for the AEG over the springer. You won't regret it.

As far as the Classic Army guns go, you'll have to dig deeper in the forums and the Newbie FAQ in the upper right hand corner of this webpage. DumboRat discusses them in there, I believe.

From what I have read, they are somewhat less "proven" than the Tokyo Marui guns, but are closing the gap quickly. On the other side, the CA guns come with metal bodies and upgraded internals at a price far lesser than upgrading a stock TM to the same level.

[Koko]

Yeah I started to look through the FAQ, I got through the AEG Guide..very useful. I didn't find anything about CA but I will look again after school. Thanks man!

[Newb101]

As he said, CA are less "proven" (in the reliability field most often). Then the TM guns. From the TM ones you chose, I will point out some things about them. Out of all of them I used the AK47 and MP5-SD5 in a skirmish. Thompson I haven't yet.


Thompson, I heard has a great finish. Heavy. Otherwise pretty much like any other SMG.

MP5-SD5/SD6 - Don't let the SD6 stock fool you, I don't know who started the idea that a folding stock helps in close quarters battle.. since you usually want a nice cheek weld. And to me atleast, shouldering a collapsed stock makes me feel waaaay too cramped. In which case why don't they use a pistol anyways? Its CQB. And, above all, the MP5 is already small. And you could benefit from the large battery.

I own this piece (the SD5) and I am totally happy with it, and would recommend it if someone wants it. Gets my vote.


AK47 - Used this in the field, and I must say, I do not have one complaint about it. Not one. The hop-up is very clever, easy to adjust, and consistent. And the gun is built like a rock. This thing represents the real gun well. (In terms of being stronger then most AEGs, not real guns heh). 600 round hicap that never emptys. And a longer barrel to boot, which I noticed immediately when I shot it. Plus a large battery.

This is my recommended newbie gun. :) Plenty of ammo, battery space, nice hop-up, built strong, version 3 mechbox, long barrel, and even handles somewhat like a sub-machine gun due to its length. Can't go wrong really. I say the version 3 box because you ever notice there isn't any reinforced version 3 boxes at shops? Because its not needed. They are strong as hell.

The only issue I EVER read about this gun was something pertaining to the front sight coming loose, which you can fix easy.


The CA gun. Depending on which version, the reason these are usually not recommeded for anyone's first gun is because they break easier then TM guns, and not recommended unless you know how to do mechbox work and don't mind. It stems from the cheap internals they use more-or-less. But as MacDaddy said, its changing. Just make sure you know which version, and what its pit-falls are before buying.


If you want to know anything about the MP5 at all msg me or ArmyHummer, he has 2-3 MP5s I believe, and I have mine.

[Koko]

Okay..here's my new updated list..

TM Mp5 Sd5

TM M1A1

TM Ak 47

Hmm still debating...

[Newb101]

Well, if this helps, chuck the longer barrel idea out the window. And just base on looks. As pikachoad points out...

here and here...
http://www.airsoftplayers.com/accuracy.asp
http://www.airsoftplayers.com/accuracy2.asp

Accuracy is related more or less to bb weight. And you will run into
a wall (125-150ft) where no matter what bb, you will just not be able
to hit the target without spraying or arching the shots. Due to the guns
design (with the variable hop). This is why bolt-action sniper rifles are
known to reach well beyond 170-200ft with repeatable accuracy. (Being
the shooter is good enough). Because their hop is WAY more consistant.

:)

I kinda noticed this with my Glock when I fed it .25s and the accuracy
like jumped up by 2x. I was like WOAH. It can compare to my MP5 with
half the barrel.


All this rambling just means, don't base on barrel length, and have fun.





Personally, I felt like I could kick *** and that I was a "bad guy" when I
was using the AK47, that and it didn't interfere with bulky goggles.

[Koko]

I wasn't going to base it on barrel length..but thanks for the advice! Hmm right now I've narrowed it down to the M1A1, Mp5 Sd5, or AK 47.. I really don't know

[Newb101]

Imagine charging into battle blasting hoards of people, stop, think about what was in your hand. Worked for me. I was imaging being like Rainbow6 with my SD5. And thats how I picked.

Sounds silly, like a barney show, "Just use your imagination!" but seriously, this worked for me. :)

[D_Man]

Originally posted by Newb101
Imagine charging into battle blasting hoards of people, stop, think about what was in your hand. Worked for me. I was imaging being like Rainbow6 with my SD5. And thats how I picked.

Sounds silly, like a barney show, "Just use your imagination!" but seriously, this worked for me. :)

Hmmm, I did that and pictured a full sized M60 in each hand with laser aiming devices and attached M203s on each, plus a laser death ray mounted on my helmet.......

Well, looks like its time to mortgage the house :D

[Koko]

Well I don't know what to get...the MP5 looks real nice..but I heard parts of it come loose and everyone has one..and I kinda wanna be unique you know?

[Newb101]

Hahaha D_man. I know the feeling, me? I see a SR25 fully decked out. But the reciever isn't out yet. :( Plus the fact aegs aren't super at sniping... *sigh*



But if you want to stay modern on you choices, definately take the AK47 then, the first game I was ever at was 1 AK47-S, 1 Full-stock AK (me) and a spetznaz, not many, there was plenty of M16s though, as usual.

And if you want WW2 saving private Ryan stuff, Thompson, that easy. :)

[Cobalt-Blue]

since they (the evil developers) took my skirmish woods away, i've decided to move up to an AEG and as usual I've been doing an obsessive amount of homework. Having a friend in each of the two airsoft outlets in my area helped, I got to shoulder and fire almost everything.

Newb101 is right, the ak is a wicked good buy (my new englandah speak) it is accurate, affordable, and durable, and stock it is the main choice of Greg, owner of Hardcore airsoft.

Personally I thought I would LOVE the thompson, but seriously, it is like carrying an awkward rock (to me that is) and I personally found it to be both clumsy and inconsistant with quick shouldering. it IS a thing of beauty and sturdy as all get-out. Oh and for comparison in clumsy-ness, I'm 5'11'' and 145 lbs.

the Mp5's are nice, I like them and all but I wouldn't be adding anything to the dialogue if I spoke aboiut them here. you've done a search, and everything said about them is true. except the lies :) also, an RIS system on an SD series rocks.

However, i found the g36c and the colt commando "CAR-15" (m733)
to be great; the colt is tiny but ferocious, pretty balanced despite a lean to the nose, very light, and very manueverable. the G36c is heftier but fits like a glove, shoulders naturally, acquires naturally, and wears it's weight exceptionally well- being so well balanced one barely notices it is there. that was my impression, others may differ.

I know those choices weren't originally on your list, but I thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.

as a side note, the collapsible stock isn't originally for CQC/CQB, it's to allow the wearing of body armor and MAINTAIN one's cheekweld as if they had none on. The reason ppl choose subguns as a class largely for CQC/CQB is their general lightness and shorter overall signature.

...and in real steel for the lesser degree of overpenetration of a pistol cartridge over a MILSPEC rifle cartridge.

[Newb101]

Ah, so it does have a purpose, but not what the newbs like to suggest. (AKA CQC maneuverability). Learn something new everyday. Thanks!

[Deviant]

KOKO,

If you are going to get an MP5....

Get Classic Army. Yes the internals are not the greatest BUT...for the price you are getting all metal and a reinforced mech box to boot. You can easily have an experienced upgrader install TM internals if and when your CA mech interals go bad (ususally its the piston that needs replaced and MAYBE a gear). TM internals are not that expensive and all you need are stock. Other than that....CA ARE great guns.

Out of the list you posed for TM....


Get the Thompson M1A1. They are not very common and are solid as can be! I had one and sold it to a teammate who was depserate for one. I have to admit...they are VERY NICE weapons. Their range and accuarcy are like that of an upgraded AEG. Their mags are all metal and the overall weight is very impressive. TM MP5's are great (form an internal standpoint) but they are plastic and feel it! The AK is a good gun but it seems EVERYBODY and their cousin has one just like the M4.

If I were you...

I would narrow my list to:

TM Thompson M1A1 (solid and overall GREAT piece)
CA MP5SD2 (fullstock that can house a larger battery and can be modded to hold an even larger one AND the gun has the Classic style SEF grips)

For the money you will invest....either of these 2 will be the best over all.:cool: :)

[Blade]

Koko,

For what my opinion worth, I would honestly stay away from Classic Army or the Thompson as much as possible. Why? Few reasons.

1. When you buy a gun, it's definetely not to have to open it right away. When you invest a gun (even if it's CA), you should expect to have something that work. Classic Army guns are not really made for newbies. They might represent a good investment but if you don't know much about airsoft guns, you might regret your choice. Perhaps, if you do have friends around, ready to help if you have a problem, well, this is indeed, a nice gun to play/work on...you just have to be ready for it :D

2. Thompson M1A1 are great guns on all aspect. Good weight, accurate, good ROF and lot of metal. Downfall? If you break something, your only possible choice is buying another gun because the parts are no where to be available. Perhaps, if you don't break it, you'll be an happy man.

So my conclusion would be take some experience on a more common gun such MP5 or M4. You will play with it, drop it, open, grease it, abuse it but this is exactly what the first gun should be used for.


Note: Those comments are based on my own experience. Most of the guns coming back to my shop from newbies are the CA guns. Parts that I have hard time to get are for the M1A1....

[Nitrous]

Also, in terms of MP5s, I HIGHLY reccommend you check out ICS's new line-up. They are the sturdiest MP5s I have ever used, and we have only had 1/2 as many problems with them internally as we have the Tokyo Mauri version.

[seal m4 ris]

I think that any of the MP5 are a great choice. When i got my first AEG it was a CA. Now i regret getting a CA so you may use that as a though. I think you should just go with the Marui Mp5s. For a newbe like you and me i give the CA thumbs down!!

[Koko]

Thanks everyone..I'm probably gonna get a MP5 then..

Thanks for the advice on the M1A1, but I've been through the "can't find the part" in different sports...it is pure hell. Anyways, the only thing that is keeping me from choosing the Mp5 Sd5 or the AK is the size of the AK's Hi Cap. It's 600..and the MP5's is only 200..I see this as a major downfall.

Since I AM in fact a newbie, I will take your advice, and not get a Classic Army gun (at least not for now). Maybe when I am more experienced and know what I am doing, I will get one.


Also, in terms of MP5s, I HIGHLY reccommend you check out ICS's new line-up. They are the sturdiest MP5s I have ever used, and we have only had 1/2 as many problems with them internally as we have the Tokyo Mauri version.

What's this?? I want to check it out!

Anyways, I just wanted everyone to know I'm NOT basing my choices on this forum alone..I also have a similar topic on UK Airsoft, so if I seem like I'm changing my decision by one person's opinion, I'm really not :D

Thanks everyone for the quick responses and help that you are giving me! This is really a great community, I think I'll stay!

Oh I just looked up the ICS gun..and it looks very cheapy-plastic..is this what it's like? Could you give me more info on it please? I looked for upgrades or reviews, but I didn't find any (yet)

[Decoy]

Blade,
are you considering my CA in that comment? :D Thats what I get for knowingly buying a broken gun.

Koko,
One thing to consider when choosing one AEG over another is availability of good quality (or cheap $$$-wise) gear for that gun. For example, there aren't that many P90 mag pouches. Or in your case the AK mags pouches are also rather limited. The Mp5's smaller/shorter mag frames allow them to fit in m16 mag pouches without stretching them out. Take a look at gear that interests you and see what mags that gear can hold.

As an additional side note on the folding/collapsable stocks...
I believe (and this goes back to WW2) the german/european weapon designers we looking for guns that do as mentioned above as well as cater to the european shooting style that shines more commonly in CQB. The "european style" is to have an SMG on a sling and just push it straight out for your body, many have developed this as a quick reaction/aiming skill. This might help explain why european guns fully collapse down (mp5a4, mp5sd6..etc.) and american guns (m4a1), generally speaking, don't.

Thats enough for one day, class dismissed :D

[Koko]

Okay I'm prolly gonna go with either the TM MP5 SD5 or the ICS MP5...if I can get some more info about it.

[Nitrous]

Oh I just looked up the ICS gun..and it looks very cheapy-plastic..is this what it's like?

Actually, the ICS guns come with a full-metal upper-reciever and cocking assembly. Very sturdy and not plasticy.

They come pre-upgraded to around 310-320fps, have a reinforced gearbox, and the solid-stock versions (A4, SD5), which I recommend, can store a "large" type battery in the stock.

[Koko]

WOW and I mean WOW :eek: :eek: I think I found one of the best deals for the ICS Mp5 Sd5..see what you think..with free Hi Cap!! Wow this is awesome.... If I do get this, which battery should I get? I was thinking about just getting the normal $14.95 charger, but I really don't know which is best for me. The Gun (http://www.airsplat.com/P_142.htm?rand=0.6687281)

[Fox]

Go with the AK... (naturally my opinion)

But heres my reasoning.

I've put well over 40,000 rounds on STOCK Gears in my RPK (go figure, i go to put 102$ super high speeds in it, and they burn up after 70 rounds)

Thats with an M100 spring, Bushings, and a piston and piston head (Note: I replaced the piston and piston head for better RoF and sound)

It has a tough receiver (Though plastic) and the mech box, you dont have to worry about if you upgrade the spring.

There are now a TON Of options for the AK... heres a list of things you can buy already or are coming out soon:
AK-74
AK-74U (Sorta smokey's little POS kit stock rear end... just a new front end)
AK-103
RPK (Though the guarder one is now out of production I beleive.. AC still makes a POS version)
SVD (DO NOT CALLED IT A Dragunov damn it if you have to call it the FPK which is another name for it)
AK 'Bad Boy' (Yes its fake, but its out there, and no, i'd never buy it)
AK Bul-pup (Yes its out there, and I'd STILL never buy it reminds me of an AUG too much)

Along with god knows how many custom kits.

And yes, There will be (in the coming months) 2 GP25/GP30s on the market.

A custom one, and the semi-production Boomarms one.

Yes, the 600 round high caps are nice... But im waiting for the G&P mags to be out in a few months.

If you are worried about rails and stuff... 3 companies make upper and lower RIS/RAS's. You can fit up to 6 rails just on the front fore grip.

There multiple scope mounts and stuff.. along with the cheapo way.

If your worried about battery storage on the AKS version, have no fear. Slap in the TGS metal site, do some dremeling and a bit of wiring, and you can fit a 9.6v 1500 mah in. (Bit tight but hey it works)

The barrel is longer then any MP5 barrel or M4 barrel as well.

Just note... DO NOT PUT A SILENCER ON AN AK. I'd have to beat you with my RPK. (Btw, its full wood and metal... that would hurt.)

Also note... The 'Spez natz' isnt really an AK-47, its a mix of the AK-103U Krinkov and the AK-47 with part of the AK-74U in it.

[Nitrous]

with free Hi Cap!!

I don't mean to piss in your cheerios (thanks to Texx for that line, lol), but the hi-caps offered by ICS are not the greatest quality. Unlike the Marui and CA versions, they do not make a "clicking" sound to let you know when you need to stop winding the mag. This is a big problem in that if you over-wind it, the spring will break. This leaves you hi-cap-less.

My advice would be to pick up a couple Marui hi-cap mags. Also, make sure the ICS gun you were looking at is the newest version. The older ones seem to have a lot of problems that were fixed in the new model.

[Koko]

...I don't know how to check if it's the newest version..is the one on that site the newest? And also, which TM Mags will fit the ICS .. for sure?

[Nitrous]

All TM mags will fit the ICS guns.

[Koko]

Okay sweet....hey which battery size should I get?

[Nitrous]

Probably the 8.4volt 1700mah Large Type battery.

[joeranger]

I bought the tm M4 for myself, the tm M1A1 for my brother, and tm mp5 and mp5sd for friends.
M4 - very cool but trite, everyone has one, but for a reason. They are great guns.
M1A1- My brother is a WWII fanatic. The M1A1 is indistiguishable from the real steel. Awesome gun for the collector as well as a tack hammer!
MP5A5 Feels kind of plasticy and has a small battery
MP5 SD5- Great gun/performance. Light and plastic foregrip. but great starter gun.

Actually, you can't go wrong with your first gun. You will love whatever you get. Buy what you want...

[Ganner]

Koko, if your the koko i think i know, then i'll trade you my m4 upgraded for your 2 mustang mach 1's :D

[Koko]

Koko, if your the koko i think i know, then i'll trade you my m4 upgraded for your 2 mustang mach 1's

Wrong Koko...I got a UHC M92 and thats all lol.

[Deviant]

A teammate has the ICS MP5 you are looking at. BE CAREFUL!

In telling him the gun was upgraded to their "Level" for 350-360, he got it and it chronoed 390-395!:eek:

The gun IS solid but not as heavy as the full metal CA MP5.

As for the Thompson....not alot of parts for it are found because not alot of players have problems with them. I needed a replacement part for mine at one time and found it brand new from an overseas supplier (who can a variety of parts). I dont think any player will take their guns out (after incesting the $$$) and be rough with it.

As Blade said it is a VERY nice peice. What Blade did not say is that ANY gun mentioned here in this thread for you is a great choice and will cause you no problems as long as you take care of it and learn its operation and do some study before you take it out and go crazy with it. Regardless of cost, a player should get what THEY feel is best for them regardless what anyone else says.

If you are a mture enough player that you plan to take care of your investment and play with respect, then I still say, if you like them, go with the full metal CA MP5 or the Thompson. These were your first 2 choices.

As for battery....if you get a stock gun and plan to leave it that way...8.4V is your best bet. If the gun IS upgraded, you might consider a 9.6V to supplement. Regardless of the battery voltage, BE SURE to get the highest MAH reading your AEG can hold (even if it means modifying your gun to fit it). As you know MAH = battery life....the higher the MAH the longer you play without stopping to recharge.

God luck on your choice.

[hydroponicstylee]

I have an ICS MP5, if an MP5 is what you want, I highly recommend ICS. However the hicap mag that comes with it WILL break, buy a TM hicap when you buy the gun, trust me on this. I fixed mine when it broke but it was tedious. Good luck.

[Koko]

Cool .. I'm probably gonna get the ICS gun..because like you said, I will be happy with it, and I am starting to like it more than the M1A1 and CA Mp5 Sd5. The M1A1 would probably be nice for a while, but I'm planning on upgrading it eventually, and I really don't know what a M1A1 with a scope (do they even make those with scopes) would look cool...

Thanks for the advice about the sh*tty ICS hi caps. I'll be sure to get a TM one.