Motor Replacement

[Ninj4]

I'm trying to make my M15 shoot as fast as possible..well...ROF wise..hehe I don't know why...I just do..I dunno..anywho..I have a PDI 170% spring installed, and someone told me that I should put in a System Torque Motor to get the fastest ROF. Why not the Super Torque..or the Super High Speed? Gah...obviously..I know jack about motors...hehe..

[Secretagentman]

well if you're looking for speed the Systema High Speed motors will give it to ya that's for sure. BUT they will put a LOT of wear on your gears VERY quickly!!!! If you want high ROF that's it...but you'll also get a lot of maintenace with it. And most likely having to replace gears and/or motor on a "regular" basis. Or you could just get the torque up or something a little slower...still give you higher ROF, but wouldn't put "as much" wear on parts.

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[Ninj4]

Well..they have Steel Gears...if that helps..if not..bah..I don't want to have to crack the mechbox open every week..hmm..maybe I'll get the Torque?..or..Super Torque?..Bah..which one is faster? Or would it be okay because I have steel gears..

[Secretagentman]

I'm honestly not sure how long the CA steel gears would last under such stress!
The Super Torque is a bit faster...but with the extra torque it will add even more stress to parts. And if you want speed you should also look into getting a Guarder or Systema tappet plate as I really doubt the stock one could take the repeated slamming at that speed for long.
I'd go with the standard Torque up, but it's up to you. If you want the super ROF you'll have to deal with more problems. Let the ROF sink a bit and deal with fewer problems.....

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[Ninj4]

sorry..wont delete..dont..know why...GAH

[Ninj4]

hmmm...so you recommend Just a regular Torque motor?..hmm okay...about how much ROF would I get with that? Like..estimated..with a PDI 170 that is..

hmm..well...tappet plate, is reinforced. I don't really know how good that is...since it's CA, but it's still reinforced..hehe. About the steel gears..aren't steel gears...steel gears?..or are they like different. I know that the Systema SHS are kinda delicate...but does it really make a difference other than that? (hehe if you haven't guesses yet, I haven't really upgraded any AEGs yet..hehe..).

[Secretagentman]

Well I would give you the web address of a site that has listed the actual torque and RPM ratings of the motors, but I'm not at my home PC right now.

The nearest way I can tell you is to say that I installed a Systema Genuine in my (now sold to a team member) M16A2 with a 1J spring and I got 30rnds per second out of it. And the Genuine is about 5,000 or 10,000 RPM faster than the EG1000. And since the Genuine is the LOWEST of the Systema motor line I hope that can give you an estimation of what you might get. The torque up and super torque up produce something like 20-25,000 RPM more than the EG1000. I can't remember exactly..but it's a lot more. And then of course the high speed motors are REALLY REALLY faster! I'll try to remember to post the address when I get home so you can have the exact RPM ratings. :)

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[Ninj4]

oooo..wow..thats pretty darn fast..hehe. Thanks a lot 007. You think the tappet plate will last?..or no...I'm not so worried about gears though...they don't cost that much anyhow..but tappet plate..thats just annoying..hehe...

[Secretagentman]

As far as gears go I don't know much about CA gears at all. I know they're better than TM stock gears...but that's about it. :p
I think they can take like an M120 spring without any undo wear at all. Or maybe a higher spring....

Anyhow... Systema Super High Torque Up Helical gears are about the BEST as far as durability, but it does lower ROF...normally, but if you're installing a Systema torque or high speed motor I'm sure it would easily counter that.

Also I forgot to mention that the gears in my..sold...M16A2 are Systema Super High Torque gears....so that slows the ROF a bit...so maybe I'd get more like 35rnds/second with standard ratio gears....who knows unless you try though.

Oh and basically remember that with an ROF that high standard mags are totally USELESS!!!!!! And hicaps aren't much better....TRUST ME!!! The A2 I built only uses a CMAG now....that's the ONLY thing worthwhile to use in it. Se be prepared to change hicaps faster than others change standards...OR get a CMag. :p

That help?

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[Secretagentman]

shoot forgot about the tappet plate....well again since it's CA I can't tell ya much from personal experience...cause I've never owned a CA gun.

So I really have no idea how durable their tappet plates are...but with the ROF range you're going to get into I kinda doubt that it would last. Even a Guarder or Systema may not...so far the Systema I put in the A2 has next to no wear on it and it's emptied that CMag many a time and a LOT of hicaps as well.

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[Ninj4]

hmmm..okay I guess i'll order a system tappet plate just in case...gears will have to wait I guess...hehe..

[Secretagentman]

hahaha...ok so my RPM's were quite a ways off....but anyhow sometimes my memory doesn't work so well late at night! :p

so here's the addy for the motor specs
http://www.airsoft-guide.com/default.asp?view=61&ad=1


so there you have it.....

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