Psg-1

[Nitrous]

Hey, I'm just wondering...

Any of you who own or have experience with the Tokyo Marui PSG-1, could you please tell me what you thought about it? I am looking into getting one, but would like to know some of the pros/cons of the gun.

[Agent 47]

I used one every game for one season. Was not mine, but i knew it well. It was upgraded to about 500 FPS. Completely decked out with a tightbore barrell, and had a nice LAM and bipod. Definately a solid gun. Extremely well built, and fun to shoot. Works extremely well, but you will probably end up paying alot for upgrades if you want to use it as a serious snipers weapon. :)

PS, they are heavy...

[Shifty]

I haven't owned one, but I have used one before.

Pros:
Uh, looks neat
Comes with Fixed Scope
Has a neato semi-auto mechanism that fires instantly when you pull the trigger(unlike normal AEGs which can take around 1/4 to half a second to fire.
Kinda rare on the field. A few people that I know of own one, but I don't see either of them fielded regularly. :/

Cons:
Cost
Fixed scope is non-removable
Battery installation has to be custom(unless you just want to do sticks)
Parts are hard to find
Limited External Upgradability
Low Re-sale value
This is a BIG gun(length wise)

[Maynard]

I think I have seen it in a pic with the scope removed...although not just replaced...removed, don't know what its purpose is without a scope of some kind...but oh well.

[Secretagentman]

Ok...I owned a PSG1 for a while....upgraded the motor and tappet plate...got a couple replacement parts for it as well. Cost a LOT to do that little bit.

Yes the scope is in fact removable! Quite easily actually. It has a custom plate mount "built in" to the receiver, but it's removable if you separate the receiver halves. But if you just want to take the scope off you just need to take out a couple screws in the mount. Then it just comes right off. If you really want you can take out 2 more screws and remove the mounting system all together from the scope itself. Then you have a nice Tasco made scope to use with standard 1" rings.

I don't see why people rag on the scope....it's VERY nice and custom made by Tasco just for Marui's PSG1.

Ok now for the pro's of the PSG1....semi auto sniper rifle, long enough to put a huge tightbore barrel in, the mechbox is VERY tough, as loki stated it winds AFTER each shot (meaning when you pull the trigger you're releasing the piston rather than turning the gears THEN releasing the piston) which translates to being more like a real rifle. Oh yeah an it actually has blow back functionality....kinda neat I guess... :rolleyes:

Cons....BIG, LONG rifle!!!! HEAVY....EXPENSIVE initial purchase.....EXPENSIVE upgrade parts!!!! Hard to find upgrade parts and SUPER IMPOSSIBLE hard to find stock parts....and if you do find them....$$$$$$. Battery as mentioned before, but this isn't that big of a deal now with many of the custom batteries available....though they cost $$$$. Basically anything to do with the PSG1 costs a LOT!!!
As loki said, limited re-sale value!!!

So unless you want to spend over $2000 for a semi auto sniper rifle that performance-wise will match that of a $1000 APS2 or such.....I recommend not getting it. If you REALLY love the look and the semi auto and have lots of money to throw around....go for it...they can be fun....but to me the cost just wasn't worth it. At least until I have some snazzy job where I make large bucks and can drive a sweet sports car or hummer.....then it would be worthwhile. :p

Any questions?

007...out

[Nitrous]

$2000??? That seems awfully high... For the gun: 390. FTK: 200. Reinforced gearbox: 90 TN Barrel: 80... All that is less than $800... I mean, unless there is something I am missing here, which I don't think there is, that seems pretty good to me.

Oh yeah, I was also wondering about the durablity of the stock gearbox. I know it operates "reverse" of a normal one, but I don't know if that relieves some stress or not.

Also, does it need a "special" reinforced gearbox?

[Titleist]

I think the biggest consideration is size. It's not so much weight, but the pure length of the gun. Remember, the PSG1 was designed as a police marksman's rifle, and works great for a sniper/spotter team when you're not running around with that big of a rifle.

I'm a big guy, and the length of the PSG1 is even too much for me. I use a good size APS2, which is about 42 inches long. And that's good for the general style of play required for an airsoft marksman.

In fact the PSG1 was the first gun I looked at when getting into airsoft, but in the end I'm glad I passed on it. It's a very hard gun to work on, in the sense of getting it properly upgraded and tuned. I agree with many of Loki's points, it's also one of those guns that's not in high demand, A) because it's expensive in stock form B)expensive to upgrade and C) when it IS fully upgraded it becomes too expensive for most people to want to buy. I have over 2500 poured into my current APS2, and if I ever wanted to sell it I would be hard pressed to ever find a buyer.

The PSG1 is a great gun, but it's just a big gun that's not that easy to work on. It's great nonetheless. Hell, sometimes wallace brings his to a game, and it's almost taller than he is.

As for optics, it's a good scope, I'll give you that, but comparatively speaking it's only so so. However don't take my opinion seriously on optics, while a tasco scope would and will do fine for sniping, I'm one of those people who mounts a 700 dollar scope on a bb gun. So just ignore this part of my post. hah.

In fact, people to ask would be wallace, who's had a PSG1 for about as long as I've known him, about 2 years.

[Secretagentman]

Ok so my price may be a little high.... :rolleyes: ;)
But still...compared to what you can spend on something else and what you gain in performance.....I guess it's up to you how well you want your sniper rifle to perform vs. cost factor. But again...it's up to you...if you like the PSG1 that much...go for it! Just not my cup of tea for the cost right now.

The stock gearbox is VERY durable....so far I have not heard of anyone needing to replace the box even when using a 300% spring...which was the next upgrade slated for my PSG1.

Just another bit of info...the PSG1 can be modified to fire full auto, but then you lose semi. AND if you should want to upgrade...forget it! It can't handle the full auto mod AND upgrades....one or the other....not both! :) Just a tasty tidbit!

As for the scope...I agree...comparatively speaking sure it's only so-so, but comeone...it's a BB gun! It does fine for airsoft and it comes with the PSG1 and is made to resemble the real PSG1 scope. Good luck finding a proper PSG1 style scope to put on your airsoft PSG1 if they didn't make it for you! ;)

And yes Titleist you are nuts for mounting a 700 scope on a BB gun!!!! :p

[Titleist]

hah, full auto psg1, only problem is you can't upgrade for sniping AND have full auto. But again, if you're absolutely set on the PSG1, go for it, just remember to make it tuned for sniping be prepared for a long and expensive process.

Well, I guess I'm only nuts if you're building airsoft guns purely for functionality alone. In which case a crappy tasco or bsa scope will suit you just fine. Why build a G36K out of real K parts when I could settle for replica parts at 1/5th the cost? Because it's knowing that there are no better parts than the real deal. Sure a dual optic scope on my K will never be used to its full potential, but I can know that there will never be a better replica, since I've got the real deal. I guess it ultimately boils down to what kind of an enthusiast you are in the end. Most airsofters are by nature the kind that build one or two guns, for pure functionality. On the other spectrum, you have players/collectors that build guns for the pure enjoyment of it. While I skirmish with every gun I own, I build as a collector first.

However, one little sidenote, that 700 dollar scope I use is a Leupold VARI-XIII, and by nature it has over 4-5 inches of eye relief, from a practical standpoint this allows for me to make faster shots with goggles on...in theory. However, it's all about whatever floats your boat. For some people a replica Aimpoint is fine and dandy, for others, like myself only the real aimpoint will do.

[Secretagentman]

mmmm.....Leupold.....*drool* :D