Question on Camo Patern

[nextmayor]

I just got back from the local surplus store and I saw a camo patern that i had not seen before. The pants were made by Tru-Spec, but I have not seen them anywhere else. The patern was basically woodland camo, with the addtion of white. Has anyone else seen these? What is this camo used for? Is it legitimate or is it one of those designer paterns for people who just want to wear BDU's? I was thinking it would be good in areas that get a light amount of snow.

[Newbie77]

I've seen the pattern too, it's called concrete camo. I'm not sure if it's legitimate camo, but I think it would work well in a wooded area with light snow.

[Airborne_opz]

It's main use is for urban combat, but of course you can use it to whatever situation you think will offer you the best concealment.

[ArmyHummer]

These are almost a mix between subdued woodland and woodland. its like the median.

Subdued camo has the white in it, its more of a grey I believe. But they are for basically day time urban type areas. Speicifically Israel, if you have ever seen pictures of the place, concrete and grey colors are EVERYWHERE - rocks etc. It has almost no vegetation in towns at all.

And some reason, the IDF still uses OD lol.

[Rigormortis]

Speaking of different types of camo, has anyone seen the "Digital Camo"? I think its supposed to be a combination of desert camo and woodland camo. I was wondering if it actually worked well one both. Peace.

[Maynard]

Digital camo...do you mean like, MARPAT, CADPAT, and jungle/mountain stalker? Cause if you do...thats some seriously old news, everyone should know what that looks like and is...I probably just read you wrong...I hope.

Heres an interesting bit, I think it is Mil-spec, they make old style camos like WWII German splinter and postwar German BGS tan and water repros, for the same price you'd get a new pair of woodland BDU pants, but they don't make BDU shirts/jackets in the old patterns.

[nextmayor]

Are you talking about MARPAT. MARPAT stands for MARine PATern, it is the new digital camo worn by the USMC. It comes in both woodland and desert. There is not one patern that covers both environments. The patern is very pixelated (spelling?), a bunch of little squares lumped together. The official USMC / GI MARPAT actually have the USMC emblem (eagle, globe, and anchor) represented in the patern. It's not actually in there, but the outline is. On top of that, there is actually the emblem and "USMC" every few square feet.

I bought a pair of comercial Tru-Spec desert MARPAT BDU's a while back. They seem to be as good as other Tru-Spec BDU's that I have gotten. The pants are the same as other BDU pants, but there is a think foam kneepad included. The blouse of shirt is different than my regular BDU shirt. To begin with, there are 2 pockets on each of the arms. On top of that, there are 2 angle mounted pockets on the chest (I maybe wrong on this, they are not in front of me right now). Furthermore, there are elbow pads like the knee pads. The collar (spelling? I'm talking about the top opening of a shirt) is also different. It is just a tall tab collar. On my shirt and boonie hat the USMC emblem is stitched on.

Overall I really like mine. My team members said they worked very well on our field that is just piles of dirt with very little vegetation.

[Agent 47]

Yo army Hummer, there is good reason for the IDF to still use theyre OD pattern. A friend of mine is a rifleman in the IDF, and i have plenty of others that have served. The IDF OD is more than just OD, It actually changes colors. Yes thats right. Different temperatures/sun exposure changes the colors of this particular camo. The efect wears off after many washings, but it will still remain.

Say, your IDF squad is hiking in the desert/mountanious regions of Israel. The sun is beating down on you. Your OD camo turns a reddish tan hue, almost perfectly matching your surroundings.

Now say your trecking through a town in israel, and gunshots ring out, your squad hits cover, and you notice "wow, my camo is dark brown/black!"

Now your in a densley vegetated area with medium amounts of light, your camo is leaf green with brown hues.




It's one of the best OD variations out there, and also the most expensive. The **** is next to illegal to own in israel (you are arrested on the spot if you impersonate an IDF soldier be it wearing camo, or acting like a soldier [not for little kids playing IDF vs. Palestinean] and hard as all hell to get out-of-country) This camo is hot **** man, dont diss it ;)

[Rigormortis]

I have no clue. It could be that. The sign in my local army navy store just says, "New Digital Camo!" Thx guys. I believe it is that stuff anyways. Peace.

[Tripod]

Yes that's what it is. Digital camo is pretty cool looking and it should work well. They make more than just woodland and desert types. Maybe not tru spec but I watched a show on camo and they talked about digital stuff alot. They were testing out the BDUs and stuff and there were at least 7 different kinds in that one room.

[Cobalt-Blue]

typically subdued camo does nt contain whites, since they are bright enough to give away your position.

Subdued urban for example, can be seen on Sam Fisher's legs in splinter cell, and on the unamed tactical force that storms the X-men compound in the recent film, X2. it consists of deep blue, dim gray, and a median darkish blue.

[Cobalt-Blue]

Thanks texx, you've definatly got me searching for my confidence in whaI thought I knew :)

this is the pattern I own, and as you see it is called BY THIS STORE subdued urban.

http://militaryclothing.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Product/asp/product-id/17117.html

Urban does contain whites, I am not contesting that, but it is a somewhat bright pattern, given it's amount of white. I should have started my thread with, "this is my experience, limited as it may be."

and in my limited experince, subduing a pattern removes it's brightest colors and "dims" or "subdues them."

you raise some good points and got me thinking. thanks. -Cobalt

[Cobalt-Blue]

Texx,
man am I confused-
the pattern I own is in my hands right now.
1-It IS made by Propper.
2-it IS the bottom left pattern which is clearly not the blue of midnight, AND it is the picture in the link I provided earlier. I think it has a blue-ish tint in various lighting, but it is clearly NOT blue like midnight.

you are correct, however, though I explained myself in an incorrect fashion, I am in complete agreement with you.

[Fluffy_Bunny]

sorry to bring this up again, but anyone know where I can get the Sam Fisher camo pants? Or what colors are on it(a bit dark in the game, can't really tell)?

[Maynard]

Those are not up for sale ANYWHERE. They are as far as I can tell just an urban pattern, but in 2 colors, dark grey, and black. Maybe someone could get some subdued urban and dye them? I remember looking for this stuff FOREVER. And the caps on those words emphasize that i'm serious, lol.

[Fluffy_Bunny]

ah, thanks a lot. maybe those trendy ultra force people will make them...soon...hopefully...

[gmaximus]

The IDF OD is more than just OD, It actually changes colors. Yes thats right. Different temperatures/sun exposure changes the colors of this particular camo. The efect wears off after many washings, but it will still remain.

Um, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say your friend is pulling your leg. The IDF uses a reversible camouflage, which is almost certainly a good deal simpler and cheaper than using color-shifting dyes - especially if it stops working after being washed, which would greatly reduce the usefulness of the camo.