milsim

[Brendan1092x]

put this here a little off topic but are you guys going to tell this guy he cant do this cause it isn't milsim
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigjob06ye3.jpg

if you cant see he has a drum mag on a akm with a gp30

[DemonicUnicorn2]

No, but I will tell him to not be a dumbass and put on some goggles.

[Brendan1092x]

i don't think you got what im getting at hes in the russain army and we are concerned about people using drum mags in standard guns but the real army has people doing it and we are saying its unmilitaristic.

[DemonicUnicorn2]

Ah I see. I thought it was an airsoft pic from Russia. I personally don't care what someone has on their gun. Mine will be lighter and much easier to aim.

[Mavrick]

i don't think you got what im getting at hes in the russain army and we are concerned about people using drum mags in standard guns but the real army has people doing it and we are saying its unmilitaristic.

Your ignorance is overwhelming. I suggest you research the "milsim" posts that users have been discussing. There was a big one recently that i'm not even going to post the link to since you didnt bother reading it. This situation was discussed and points were listed as to why its not accepted. I'll give you a hint...has something to do with leveling out differences between the different replicas.

I'm sure we could find lots of things done in the forces that arent done in airsoft if we all wanted to be pricks.

[Brendan1092x]

so mavrick you are telling me i wouldn't get crap if i came to a event like blind fury for example with a m4 with m203 and a c mag because its a milsim event and the rules of a bipod ect.. that is the case i am stating here any ways their would still be a large gap of rpm's ect that would divide these guns apart. also what iff a whole team bought squad automatics you wouldn't stop them but its no different i dont think you guys have it all figured out to numbers as in only so many dm's so many saw's grenadiers ect..

[mr_kong]

Ooo you're a bit fiesty... Yes you would get crap... from everyone.

[Brendan1092x]

im not trying to though im just trying to state my point and coming back in and filling the holes you guys seem to think of in my ideas.

[Mavrick]

im not trying to though im just trying to state my point and coming back in and filling the holes you guys seem to think of in my ideas.

what is your point? that you should be able to put a drum on an AK just because you found a picture of someone holding a RS one?

I'm sure there are lots of off the wall things that i can find as examples to justify my prickish attempts to get my ways.....but i dont.

Milsim rules are generally agreed upon by the masses because they seem to work. Its a combination of Service and airsoft qualities to "simulate" as best as we can.

[Brendan1092x]

no nothing of the sort but milsim is what military simulation well theirs the military and theres the drum mag on an akm when we find it taboo to do so at an event.

[Red]

MILSIM is a happy medium between ultra-realism and run and gun.

MILSIM, in general, is made as close as possible to real situations without making it boring or dissatisfying for the players. A couple months standing in a playground sandbox pretending we're in Iraq isn't going to be fun - neither would it be fun to go up against a whole team of people with AK's with drum mags.

It's a balance of what works and what is real. Tactics and weapons are based on this theory, too.

It is not a SAW if it has just a box-mag. The gun needs to be very, if not exactly alike the RS counter part (externally, of course) to be considered a support weapon or SAW by most organizers hosting MILSIM events.

[mr_kong]

Q_Q

If you're worried about it, go to your own event. If you really feel the need to use a drum mag, don't go to the milsim events that have these gun limits.

As a support gunner, I don't see the need to carry my heavy *** M249 if I could just stick a drum mag in a M4. Would I have spent all that money for the M249 and learn that I could have a lighter gun? hell no...

Besides... it's rare to see riflemen with box mags. Congrats you found one picture! Go find more. And then go find the actual percentages of these people who have box mags in their dinky rifle.

[Brendan1092x]

MILSIM is a happy medium between ultra-realism and run and gun.

MILSIM, in general, is made as close as possible to real situations without making it boring or dissatisfying for the players. A couple months standing in a playground sandbox pretending we're in Iraq isn't going to be fun - neither would it be fun to go up against a whole team of people with AK's with drum mags.

It's a balance of what works and what is real. Tactics and weapons are based on this theory, too.

It is not a SAW if it has just a box-mag. The gun needs to be very, if not exactly alike the RS counter part (externally, of course) to be considered a support weapon or SAW by most organizers hosting MILSIM events.

See people just a few coherent sentences can make all the difference in the world instead of, shut up noob your retarded, it doesn't work like that see this is what im looking for in a reply and makes me agree more with you red i see what your point is it keeps it going with out the "unfair" advatage of an opposing force and people leaving the event cause their tired of getting shot, but on the other hand i think it should be brought down to the numbers of set number of dm's saw's ect. to make sure it doesnt over do it like you guys are saying because your saying this is ok but this is not when the difference is a piece of metal on the bottom of your gun.

and kong im not im just quoting past issues of it not being milsim but i personally don't care ethir which way it goes.

[Oscar]

MILSIM is a happy medium between ultra-realism and run and gun.

MILSIM, in general, is made as close as possible to real situations without making it boring or dissatisfying for the players. A couple months standing in a playground sandbox pretending we're in Iraq isn't going to be fun - neither would it be fun to go up against a whole team of people with AK's with drum mags.


Actually, I'd consider the kind of milsim you're talking about as "casual" milsim. My kind of milsim isn't run and gun. It's organized. Boring or dissatisfying? I think this kind of attitude is what's killing the milsim experience--people that want to get in a huge firefight or they think the event sucked.

[mr_kong]

See people just a few coherent sentences can make all the difference in the world instead of, shut up noob your retarded, it doesn't work like that see this is what im looking for in a reply and makes me agree more with you red i see what your point is it keeps it going with out the "unfair" advatage of an opposing force and people leaving the event cause their tired of getting shot, but on the other hand i think it should be brought down to the numbers of set number of dm's saw's ect. to make sure it doesnt over do it like you guys are saying because your saying this is ok but this is not when the difference is a piece of metal on the bottom of your gun.

and kong im not im just quoting past issues of it not being milsim but i personally don't care ethir which way it goes.

Ok... I had a hard time understanding what you were trying to say, but from what I got is that you were trying to clarify your own point of view? and/or find conflict from other people?

There are already set numbers...

[Brendan1092x]

see kind of what im talking about i think what the poles (polaks) do is awesome they have jeeps cars vehicles every where and play for week at a time but i understand in america we don't have this capability of attention span or resources. because we want it to be like the movies or the video games we see.

[mr_kong]

There's a reason why there isnt jeeps, cars and other vehicles during play. Liability, insurance, safety, blah blah blah...

Don't be stereotypical.

[Brendan1092x]

how is that one way or another stereotypical to any person besides the attention span and don't say it isn't true because we all know half of us dont sit through a 9-6 game

[Urbanfarmer]

Russian military doesn't count as real military. A basic army needs to feed its soldiers Russia can't even do that. LOL. Not to mention if it was a liable tactical option wouldn't real Military Forces like the U.S. or British use them?

[Brendan1092x]

how are you going to count a super power not a real military and kong i missed the end of you post so i will address it now and say that i dont want conflict i come her post my thoughts and get bashed for it like i wanted to do hand to hand combat in an airsoft game and i was actually i was agreeing with red and his views and telling you guys if you would of formed a complete thoughts and reasoning this wouldn't end up with less bashing name calling sarcasm ect.. and can you explain the numbers i would like to know i haven't heard of these before because i am normally just inf. and thats not sarcasm.

[<Maverick>]

i dont want conflict i come her post my thoughts and get bashed for it

And yet you come on here with a userbar that says that you're a fan of communism? Hand to hand combat in airsoft? Really? And you don't want to be bashed? Dude...I think you need to step back and look at your posts before you hit that submit reply button.

EDIT: your lack of periods and proper grammar is annoying as all hell too!

[Brendan1092x]

well thanks for having gone through english and learn comprehension i said for like i as in referring to the thread started about that subject and what has communism ever done hurtful to any one tell me and you cannot say what Stalin had done because that was a different story of totalitarianism.

[<Maverick>]

I didn't understand a word of that.

what has communism ever done hurtful to any one tell me

If Hillary Clinton is elected president, you'll find out what modern day communism is all about. ;)

[DemonicUnicorn2]

well thanks for having gone through english and learn comprehension i said for like i as in referring to the thread started about that subject and what has communism ever done hurtful to any one tell me and you cannot say what Stalin had done because that was a different story of totalitarianism.

Is bad grammar bannable?

Seriously, I've read, re-read, and re-re-read your posts and still cannot make heads or tails of what you are asking for other than complete thoughts in response to your incomplete thoughts and incomprehensible English. That's not going to happen until you start spell checking your posts.

[<Maverick>]

Just to further my response to communism:

In theory, communism is okay.
In practice it overlooks human nature.

The State should not be the ultimate authority.
There are too few ethical restrictions on corrupt leaders, and power does corrupt.

Lazy people have no incentive to participate.

Creative people have little incentive to participate.

Given the last two, you have a stagnant system where progress is minimal, at best. It is a system where only those talented or favored people are rewarded by the State. While the remainder live at subsistence level. If you disagree, just give me one example of a prosperous communist state.

These are the reasons that communism has and alway will FAIL.

.....now, back on topic. Oh wait, don't know what the topic is.

[Brendan1092x]

what word in that post was spelled wrong, and you cant understand that i took a sentence from a previous post cause you know you learn after you put the word said normally thats a quote is after it do you get it, and maybe i should of put harmful instead of hurtful yes i admit that and mavrick in true communism their is no government and yes the best should rise and be praised to have other people want to raise up and be something better and more people trying harder and harder its the best part and their has never been a real communism because they have always only had an economic communism.

and on topic we left off with me agreeing with red then we started the bashing, so you guys tell me.

[Red]

Actually, I'd consider the kind of milsim you're talking about as "casual" milsim. My kind of milsim isn't run and gun. It's organized. Boring or dissatisfying? I think this kind of attitude is what's killing the milsim experience--people that want to get in a huge firefight or they think the event sucked.

...Okay. Obviously you've not met me. I'd prefer a two mile patrol, then sitting on the front line all day. The event would have a little bit of contact with the enemy, and would maybe have 20-30 minutes of HARD action. Random encounters would happen through out the day, but not necessarily firefights.

Those are the two radicals of the sport. Run and gun, spray and pray, and then you have Ultra-realistic play. MILSIM sits in between. Why? Because MILSIM has a decent bit of action, but it also has "down time" and objective based games.

If you think my "Attitude" is killing MILSIM, check again. Seriously, that sounded like a **** thing to say.

Everyone else who is saying "I have no idea what you're saying", ask him politely to use proper punctuation and type in shorter sentences so you can read his posts and better understand what he is trying to say.

OTHERWISE, CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC?

-Red

[mr_kong]

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[Brendan1092x]

would you people read i agreed with reds first post leave it at that

[Oscar]

...Okay. Obviously you've not met me. I'd prefer a two mile patrol, then sitting on the front line all day. The event would have a little bit of contact with the enemy, and would maybe have 20-30 minutes of HARD action. Random encounters would happen through out the day, but not necessarily firefights.

Those are the two radicals of the sport. Run and gun, spray and pray, and then you have Ultra-realistic play. MILSIM sits in between. Why? Because MILSIM has a decent bit of action, but it also has "down time" and objective based games.

If you think my "Attitude" is killing MILSIM, check again. Seriously, that sounded like a **** thing to say.

Everyone else who is saying "I have no idea what you're saying", ask him politely to use proper punctuation and type in shorter sentences so you can read his posts and better understand what he is trying to say.

OTHERWISE, CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC?

-Red


I didn't say "your" attitude. I was making an observation about (some) players in general.

[Texx]

Enough of this. Please guys, behave.

For future reference, please discuss Milsim in the Milsim Section.

And please try to be a little more polite, even if you don't think a person's ideas are "milsim."

At any rate, this one is done for now.

Thank you and good night.