CornerShot - An original innovation

[Tyger]

This has been out for a while I think, but this would be an interesting concept for not only real-steel weapons but airsoft.

It's called the CornerShot, and it's best if you just watch this video about it:
CornerShot Vid (http://movie.pionet.com/cornershot/cornershot.wmv)

http://cornershot.com/files/Gallery/Picture10_300X195.jpg

While I haven't been able to find prices, this would definitely provide superiority to the user. Standard sidearms are fitted into the gun port, but also a carbine version firing 5.56mm is apparently available.

Neat stuff...

EDIT:
Well this is pretty definitive proof it will fit airsoft sidearms.... Looks like a KWA Glock 17/19 fitted into the gun well... Pretty sure its a G19...

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/corner_shot/P3080215.jpg

[Big Boss]

cool idea, would prove very useful in CQB and MOUT games. However this could be a form of blindfiring in some ppls eyes even if your using the camera.I know the Germans used a corner shot weapon in WW2 of course it wasnt this high tech, it was a STG-44 with a bent tube at the end of the barrel. Technology has sure made things safer for military and police.

[Thatfatmacdude]

If you can get your hand on a corner shot device you should be able to use it with any airsoft pistol equivalent to your real weapon.

[Wraith]

This was developed by the Isrealis for an urban enviroment. Would give a huge advantage to anyone using it. But as Big Boss stated, this could be considered blind firing. Maybe not, but it would really be up to whoever was hosting the game as to whether or not to allow it to be used. But besides that, I would about bet that this thing costs quite a bit due to onboard video equipment. Would love to have one for myself, but I don't think I'd want to subject it to the airsoft enviroment. Although I'd say it would have to be designed pretty tough.

[strikers_blade]

The idea is not very different then installing a bullet camera on a AEG and watching the view from cover via a video camera.....

[Texx]

The corner shot was designed to fit several different weapons. It was on Discovery Channel about a year ago. The guy had everything from M4s, pistols, and grenade launchers. I imagine airsoft would only be a natural progression.

[Wraith]

Blade,
Is this something you would allow at one of your events? Not that I could ever afford one or would field one, just curious.

[Tyger]

But besides that, I would about bet that this thing costs quite a bit due to onboard video equipment.
Indeed. :(

The weapons system, which costs between $3,000 and $5,000, was officially unveiled at a firing range near Tel Aviv.
BBC Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3324893.stm)

Still on my wish list though.... :D

[Wraith]

Wow! was expecting a large price tag, but geesh. Then you would have to pay to get the thing sent over here. What are the chances that the price will drop? Probably wishful thinking.

[Motis]

you could mostlikely just put an led screen on the side of your m4 and mount a camera to the RIS. you would get the same effect. I dont think it would be fun if this system was used in airsoft games.

[Spectre]

I believe it would still count as blind firing as well. Your still not directly sighting and engaging your target, rather using a camera system to get an idea of whats to come. Thats not to say that there is a level of precision to the device.

[Tyger]

I actually believe that there is a laser mounted on the swiveling front portion. One uses the camera to view the laser dot, which is obviously zeroed to the firearm. Using this technique, the system is actually quite accurate. There indeed would be limitations to this since airsoft guns are lacking in accuracy that a real weapon has. But as long as the user only engaged someone who was within their engagement radius, i presume the laser sight would be fairly accurate.

Texx mentioned that you can mount M4s on the CornerShot but actually the M4 carbine system that can be found in pictures is actually built in as far as I have found. This means that the only system that we could actually employ in airsoft is the sidearm mounting CornerShot. This also limits the ability of blind firing since rounds are limited in a pistol mag.

I dont think it would be fun if this system was used in airsoft games.
If everyone carried this system then yes. But I think it would be fun and interesting if maybe only one or two people total carried them. While they would have an advantage of not exposing themselves directly to fire, simple flanking techniques could easily eliminate a player using this.

[Reaper1]

why dont you use a helmet cam, mount it to a rail of some sort and have the display in your other hand?

http://www.helmetcamera.com/

just a cheap alternative

[onsite]

While it didn't allow me to shoot around the corner, I used an extremely high-tech and expensive tool to check corners before sticking my head out; $2.99 mirror on the end of an extendable pointer. I think I either got it at OddLots or Lowes. It's lightweight, cheap, and simple. Even current nuclear powered subs still use a mirror system for their periscope.

[Tyger]

I completely agree that there are much cheaper alternatives. I just posted this because the robustness and innovation that the CornerShot has impressed me.

While it didn't allow me to shoot around the corner, I used an extremely high-tech and expensive tool to check corners before sticking my head out; $2.99 mirror on the end of an extendable pointer. I think I either got it at OddLots or Lowes. It's lightweight, cheap, and simple.
Granted this is an extremely cheap way to check corners, but it fails to allow you to provide accurate fire around the corner. You still have to turn the corner to fire.

[Cut Throat]

When I first saw it on future weapons I thought geez that would be a little unbalanced with an m4 on the end. How much do you think this system weighs?

[Reaper1]

its designed to be balanced easily aimable or w\e. but US Cavalry sells something like what onsite said

[Snowman15]

Not to be contridictory or anything....but it WOULDN'T be blind firing....Blind firing is shooting without having confirmation on your bullets trajectory, or the intended target. But the cornershot has kind of a reticle similar to that of a video game. Not as spot on as a game of course, but still. It will hit SOMEWHERE on the screen....unless something else occurs

[DemonicUnicorn2]

... or just use a mirror to look around the corner... make sure it's safe and then proceed. If its not safe, toss a grenade (smoke, frag, or flash). Or just relay the spotted enemies position to your team so they can flank them... you know, team work. Cheap and effective.

[Tyger]

Not to be contridictory or anything....but it WOULDN'T be blind firing....Blind firing is shooting without having confirmation on your bullets trajectory, or the intended target. But the cornershot has kind of a reticle similar to that of a video game. Not as spot on as a game of course, but still. It will hit SOMEWHERE on the screen....unless something else occurs

I'm not sure that the reticle on the cam is slewed with the weapon, but I do know that the laser sight is zeroed to the weapon so in any event you just view the laser point through the cam and aim it that way as stated above. If the cam is adjustable, then I'm sure you can also zero the reticle to the firearm.

... or just use a mirror to look around the corner... make sure it's safe and then proceed. If its not safe, toss a grenade (smoke, frag, or flash). Or just relay the spotted enemies position to your team so they can flank them... you know, team work. Cheap and effective.
I would rather stay behind cover and eliminate the targets without ever having to expose myself. But that's just my opinion. In airsoft, your way is fine, but after you've cleared a few houses in Iraq, you'll know what I'm referencing at.

[DemonicUnicorn2]

Of course you want to stay concealed. But you rarely are with satellites, UAVs, night vision, thermal detection. We could argue which is more effective: tactics or technology. But it just comes down to the individuals using it.

In airsoft I see no purpose for a corner shot since, as far as I'm concerned, it's about fun. I would find it more fun to just have grenades for those moments.

[Tyger]

Of course you want to stay concealed. But you rarely are with satellites, UAVs, night vision, thermal detection. We could argue which is more effective: tactics or technology. But it just comes down to the individuals using
Unless you are engaging a modern western army, or the Russian army, NODs and IR won't be an issue. In Iraq, the current war zone, you will never have to worry about NODs, IR, UAVs and the such. Satellites don't play a large roll because of the long delay in between passovers and the time for NORAD and CENTCOM to download and forward satellite images.

In airsoft I see no purpose for a corner shot since, as far as I'm concerned, it's about fun. I would find it more fun to just have grenades for those moments.

In airsoft, your way is fine...

[DemonicUnicorn2]

In airsoft, your way is fine

True, and technically you're in the general discussion about airsoft. Just teasing. I wouldn't say never about not having UAVs in Iraq or other countries.
http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/index.htm

http://www.vimeo.com/355952

[Snowman15]

Well, if we are talking about nowadays...technology beats tactics any day....especially when the enemy has almost neither. lmao. But in reality it's the combination of the two that makes our military so superior....I mean....you can have the worlds greatest tactition....but no technology...against abunch of noob-green recruits....who have technology and know how to use it....the technology will more than likely be the victor...without technology..there'd be no weapons, lol..

Back to the topic, lol. I agree something like this in airsoft would be awsome....but cmon...it's abit over kill dont yathink?...lol....I mean...if it's under or att 100$ go for it! but....lol...if it costs more than the gun it holds.....that's just dumb. But in order to be....making sure it isn't extremely overkilled...it'd need to be made for sidearms only....perhaps compatible with an Usi or a MAC at the most....

[BounDByLighT]

I admit that would be cool, but I think it would take the fun and challange out of CQB airsoft. I mean, if everyone got one, I think it would drastically reduce the classic challange of airsoft.

[Snowman15]

Yea, thats true too. But not everyone would, lol there will always be those who admire the idea, and those who deny it, like every airsoft product :p

[Tyger]

I admit that would be cool, but I think it would take the fun and challange out of CQB airsoft. I mean, if everyone got one, I think it would drastically reduce the classic challange of airsoft.

I agree completely. That's why, as I said above, if just one or two vet. players had one, it would make the game more interesting without any undue advantage per se.

I wouldn't say never about not having UAVs in Iraq or other countries.


True. I shall rephrase. In my experiences to date, I have yet to have encountered insurgents in the Middle East using NODs, UAVs, or IR. We do have proof that insurgents were using Google Earth, Google Maps, and other such sat. image websites. So you could [loosely] say that insurgents were employing satellites.

[Hillslam]

I have this thing called an elbow. Two of them actually. Combined with this move I call leaning, I am able to shoot around corners for a fraction of the cost and weight. Meanwhile, these two *elbows* and *leaning* provide tactical value to me the other 99.999% of the time I'm *not* standing at a corner...

On the other hand, I have this great device for seeing when there is insufficient photons hitting my retinal cones. Via this device I can impart a sufficient quantity of photons into the surrounding environment, whereupon they will bounce off the surfaces of all the objects and return to my eyeballs, thus illunimating the area. I call it the no-see-um-before-o-but-now-brightened-up-alator**:
http://www.meetbobarcher.com/media/2/20061023-trap01.jpg
Mounts to any M4 or M249 or even M9 (sorry, AUG users) for tactical de-dark-ification.

**Currently in trials with the US military

[Hillslam]

DOH


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/7/78/400px-Flashlight.jpg

[Wraith]

Texx mentioned that you can mount M4s on the CornerShot but actually the M4 carbine system that can be found in pictures is actually built in as far as I have found. This means that the only system that we could actually employ in airsoft is the sidearm mounting CornerShot. This also limits the ability of blind firing since rounds are limited in a pistol mag.


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Actualy, Texx was right. The episode I seen had various systems mounted to it. The most common is the sidearm mount, but they had an M4 mounted and I think an M203 mounted. It may not have been a 203 but it was a similar grenade launcher. When he fired it I thought it was going to spin him around.:D

[Veritas]

I'm not a huge fan of it. Looks a bit bulky and ridiculous to me. If someone used that on me, I'm simply pick up my flashlight and blind them.

DOH


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/7/78/400px-Flashlight.jpg

AMEN!

[Tyger]

Wraith you very well might be right. I was just saying I had never seen anything on the ability to attach one.

I did however see the carbine version, which has the M4 built in. You cannot detach it as far as I have read in my research. Here's the picture below.

http://cornershot.com/files/Gallery/CS_APR_5.56_200x277.jpg

And the attached M203, same as above; cannot be detached AFAIK.
http://cornershot.com/files/Gallery/CornerShot40mm7_200x137.JPG

If you can attach M4s to the front though, that would be even more interesting and kind of ludicrous. As someone stated, that seems like it would be very unbalanced. Not that the above don't look any less unbalanced in the first place. :P

[Fox]

In real deal, it makes sense. Especially in purely urban combat.

In a MOUT situation.. utterly useless. You don't have time to set up for something like that and view. Chances are the enemy already knows your there.

[Tyger]

Unless I'm understanding you wrong, MOUT IS urban warfare....Military Operations in Urban Terrain. MOUT is just the military term for urban warfare.

[RADAR III]

If your absolutly set on finding a device that allows you to fire around a corner without exposing your vital bits, then there's simpler and cheaper devices out there..... plus your not limited to a sidearm.
Like this - http://www.mirrorsight.com/gallery.html

[Snowman15]

Hehe, thats a good one Radar. That actually looks pretty nifty.

[Reaper1]

awesome, have to look into that. but it prolly takes some getting used to

but it looks like a pain to your hands on one, as it costs $399 because they have a patent on it

[DemonicUnicorn2]

but it looks like a pain to your hands on one, as it costs $399 because they have a patent on it

??$399?? for a swiveling mirror mounted behind a red dot? I'm going into business. Modifying their design and patenting the modification.

I noticed they have a 60 day full refund trial period. Anyone gonna take advantage of that?

[Cut Throat]

I couldnt see that being all that usefull in a woodland environments which is about 90% of where I play mabe for people that play a lot at conquest (indoors) it would be more usefull.

[Reaper1]

I know, the price is retarded, you can't sell your product, if you're serious, but I'm thinking about doing the same thing, developing my own solution, it shouldn't be too hard.

cutthroat: you could use that to see around bunkers and out of it.

[Cut Throat]

To take the time to adjust the mirror I would just pop up, look out, duck for cover rather than put it back into place while doing it. I know it doesnt take much time. It has its place, just not on my gun.

[Big Boss]

I just got done watching future weapons and they showed the cornershot. The varient they showed was a cornershot with glock 17 they also showed the kitty cornershot. The kitty cornershot was the gun with a stuff animal on the front end so the gun could be hidden. They use it to get the bad guys attention then bam hes dead.

[koosh1329]

If this is used, it seems like it would create some boring pin-downs quickly and easily, so we'd need some airsoft grenades that actually work to go along with it. Then things would actually get very interesting.

Hold off on this one, I say. Airsoft hasn't even mastered the hand grenade yet.