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gertrude
10-29-2007, 01:25 AM
How many of you grew up on GI Joes? I mean... seriously?

Well, guess what? Hollywood wants to make a movie about GI Joe. Except he's not American. He's based in Brussels. (Belgium, yes, Belgium.)

This is probably too much for me. Normally, I would say, "Meh? What's the big deal?" But seriously, it's like taking Barbie and then saying she's really a Thai hooker, so you can give her an interesting back story.

GI Joe Article (http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/10849526.html)

G.I. Joe was just a toy, wasn't he?
VIN SUPRYNOWICZ

Hollywood now proposes that in a new live-action movie based on the G.I. Joe toy line, Joe's -- well, "G.I." -- identity needs to be replaced by membership in an "international force based in Brussels." The IGN Entertainment news site reports Paramount is considering replacing our "real American hero" with "Action Man," member of an "international operations team."

Paramount will simply turn Joe's name into an acronym.

The show biz newspaper Variety reports: "G.I. Joe is now a Brussels-based outfit that stands for Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity, an international co-ed force of operatives who use hi-tech equipment to battle Cobra, an evil organization headed by a double-crossing Scottish arms dealer."

Well, thank goodness the villain -- no need to offend anyone by making our villains Arabs, Muslims, or foreign dictators of any stripe these days, though apparently Presbyterians who talk like Scottie on "Star Trek" are still OK -- is a double-crossing arms dealer. Otherwise one might be tempted to conclude the geniuses at Paramount believe arms dealing itself is evil.

(Just for the record, what did the quintessential American hero, Humphrey Bogart's Rick Blaine in "Casablanca," do before he opened his eponymous cafe? Yep: gun-runner.)

According to reports in Variety and the aforementioned IGN, the producers explain international marketing would simply prove too difficult for a summer, 2009 film about a heroic U.S. soldier. Thus the need to "eliminate Joe's connection to the U.S. military."

Well, who cares. G.I. Joe is just a toy, right? He was never real. Right?

On Nov. 15, 2003, an 85-year-old retired Marine Corps colonel died of congestive heart failure at his home in La Quinta, Calif., southeast of Palm Springs. He was a combat veteran of World War II. His name was Mitchell Paige.

It's hard today to envision -- or, for the dwindling few, to remember -- what the world looked like on Oct. 25, 1942 -- 65 years ago.

The U.S. Navy was not the most powerful fighting force in the Pacific. Not by a long shot. So the Navy basically dumped a few thousand lonely American Marines on the beach at Guadalcanal and high-tailed it out of there.

(You old swabbies can hold the letters. I've written elsewhere about the way Bull Halsey rolled the dice on the night of Nov. 13, 1942, violating the stern War College edict against committing capital ships in restricted waters and instead dispatching into the Slot his last two remaining fast battleships, the South Dakota and the Washington, escorted by the only four destroyers with enough fuel in their bunkers to get them there and back. By 11 p.m., with the fire control systems on the South Dakota malfunctioning, with the crews of those American destroyers cheering her on as they treaded water in an inky sea full of flaming wreckage, "At that moment Washington was the entire U.S. Pacific Fleet," writes naval historian David Lippman. "If this one ship did not stop 14 Japanese ships right then and there, America might lose the war. ..." At midnight precisely, facing those impossible odds, the battleship Washington opened up with her 16-inch guns. If you're reading this in English, you should be able to figure out how she did.)

But the Washington's one-sided battle with the Kirishima was still weeks in the future. On Oct. 25, Mitchell Paige was back on the God-forsaken malarial jungle island of Guadalcanal.

On Guadalcanal, the Marines struggled to complete an airfield that could threaten the Japanese route to Australia. Admiral Yamamoto knew how dangerous that was. Before long, relentless Japanese counterattacks had driven the supporting U.S. Navy from inshore waters. The Marines were on their own.

As Platoon Sgt. Mitchell Paige and his 33 riflemen set about carefully emplacing their four water-cooled .30-caliber Brownings on that hillside, 65 years ago this week -- manning their section of the thin khaki line that was expected to defend Henderson Field against the assault of the night of Oct. 25, 1942 -- it's unlikely anyone thought they were about to provide the definitive answer to that most desperate of questions: How many able-bodied U.S. Marines does it take to hold a hill against 2,000 armed and motivated attackers?

But by the time the night was over, "The 29th (Japanese) Infantry Regiment has lost 553 killed or missing and 479 wounded among its 2,554 men," historian Lippman reports. "The 16th (Japanese) Regiment's losses are uncounted, but the 164th's burial parties handled 975 Japanese bodies. ... The American estimate of 2,200 Japanese dead is probably too low."

You've already figured out where the Japanese focused their attack, haven't you? Among the 90 American dead and seriously wounded that night were all the men in Mitchell Paige's platoon. Every one. As the night of endless attacks wore on, Paige moved up and down his line, pulling his dead and wounded comrades back into their foxholes and firing a few bursts from each of the four Brownings in turn, convincing the Japanese forces down the hill that the positions were still manned.

The citation for Paige's Medal of Honor picks up the tale: "When the enemy broke through the line directly in front of his position, P/Sgt. Paige, commanding a machine gun section with fearless determination, continued to direct the fire of his gunners until all his men were either killed or wounded. Alone, against the deadly hail of Japanese shells, he fought with his gun and when it was destroyed, took over another, moving from gun to gun, never ceasing his withering fire."

In the end, Sgt. Paige picked up the last of the 40-pound, belt-fed Brownings and did something for which the weapon was never designed. Sgt. Paige walked down the hill toward the place where he could hear the last Japanese survivors rallying to move around his flank, the belt-fed gun cradled under his arm, firing as he went.

Coming up at dawn, battalion executive officer Major Odell M. Conoley was the first to discover how many able-bodied United States Marines it takes to hold a hill against two regiments of motivated, combat-hardened infantrymen who have never known defeat.

On a hill where the bodies were piled like cordwood, Mitchell Paige alone sat upright behind his 30-caliber Browning, waiting to see what the dawn would bring.

The hill had held, because on the hill remained the minimum number of able-bodied United States Marines necessary to hold the position.

And that's where the unstoppable wave of Japanese conquest finally crested, broke, and began to recede. On an unnamed jungle ridge on an insignificant island no one ever heard of, called Guadalcanal.

When the Hasbro Toy Co. called some years back, asking permission to put the retired colonel's face on some kid's doll, Mitchell Paige thought they must be joking.

But they weren't. That's his mug, on the little Marine they call "G.I. Joe." At least, it has been up till now.

Mitchell Paige's only condition? That G.I. Joe must always remain a United States Marine.

But don't worry. Far more important for our new movies not to offend anyone in Cairo or Karachi or Paris or Palembang.

After all, it's only a toy. It doesn't mean anything.
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I think this movie is a TERRIBLE idea... I mean, how can Hollywood not wait a couple-ten years or something before they destroy something that means a lot more than a toy? Although, it is arguable how much toys are worth. I never had any GI Joes but I played with them when other kids had them. I never knew the back story... so does it change anything about what the toy means?

Lu
10-29-2007, 02:38 AM
There are alot of bad movies on the horizon, with the sole purpose of only generating a crappy popcorn flick to make some cash. Another injustice I see on the way is the remake of John Carpenter's The Thing, one of my all time favorite horror movies. Not only will this be a remake, but it will actually be a remake, OF a remake... no wonder I look towards foreign cinema more these days... atleast ones that don't trash an American "icon" atleast.

Titan
10-29-2007, 02:56 AM
I hate all the gore horror flicks coming out. They have no real value, just to freak you out with all the blood and guts they can throw in it.

Disposable Soldier
10-29-2007, 03:17 AM
Great find Gertrude, and I fully agree. Why are they defacing an all-American toy. GI Joes are a good memory for me, and this just ruins it. They are going to take this and flush it down the toilet unfortunately. I wish there was something we could do about it.

BLACK SE7EN
10-29-2007, 10:35 AM
If all the g.i. joe's i've had came to life i could have taken iraq very easily. A nonamerican g.i.joe, that would be like crossing the transformers with care bears.

Thai hooker barbie, The could have been hottest gift of chirstmas 2007.

V_Dub
10-29-2007, 10:49 AM
Thai hooker barbie, The could have been hottest gift of chirstmas 2007.


:D :D :D I'd go for that. :D :D :D

Darkstar
10-29-2007, 11:11 AM
This is relatively old news. This was reported on www.aintitcool.com about a month ago at least.

Anyway, the G.I. Joe movie is more in line with the G.I. Joe Cartoon series of the 1980's and Hasbro's line of G.I. Joe action figures than the original G.I. Joe character and doll of the 1960's. After some thought an retrospect, the movie makes sense because only the 1960's line of toys had a character actually named G.I. Joe, where the Cartoon, Action figure line and comic boots ALL have NO characters named "G.I. Joe".

Further, in the cartoon and comic books, the organization "G.I. Joe" WAS indeed comprised of military personnel from around the world. There were plenty of Irish, Brits, Aussies, Germans, Frenchies and people of other nationalities that comprised the members of G.I. Joe. It doesn't surprise me that the makers are pushing the movie's international appeal. When movies sell overseas, that's more money for the producers.

As far as G.I. Joe Headquarters being in Belgium, well all I can say to that is maybe the makers are idiots who don't respect G.I. Joe lore? One must also remember that G.I. Joe was officially disbanded in the comics, but members of the group continued to fight on, so maybe they relocated to Belgium?

I guess time will tell how good or bad the movie is. I'm expecting it to be more of a teen/kids movie.

Darkstar out

Spades
10-29-2007, 12:40 PM
wow. i had no clue that GI JOE was infact based off of a real soldier. i had so many GI JOEs growing up it wasn't even funny!! i agree with Black Se7en when he says we could have taken iraq a long time ago!! this sadens me a bit knowing they would change things up like this. now knowing the story of the man he was based off of, it's a shame that hollywood is going to disgrace that memory.

THX
10-29-2007, 02:44 PM
I cant wait to see GI Joe storming Cobra bases in a new Chevy Cobalt or Ford Fusion. Which rapper do you think is going to do the GI Joe theme song? I hope Snake eyes will be played by Nicholas Cage or better yet Will Smith - I love his one liners and HE could do the rap song for the movie. I wonder if they will have a scene where a bunch of heroes are outrunning an explosion going off behind them as they slow motion jump out of its path. Movies like this are a plague on humanity and thats probably not going to stop you from seeing it.

DemonicUnicorn2
10-29-2007, 09:34 PM
GI Joe the cartoon had people from all walks of life and all different national origins in it. Quick Kick was Japanese. Slice and Dice were Korean. Shadow was Thai I believe. They even had at least 2 Native American Indians. I look forward to the movie only because I'll be able to sell my Issue #1 GI Joe comic book (a.k.a. the Year Book) for more than what it's worth.

Firefly
10-29-2007, 09:58 PM
I am a Gi joe freak, always have been and always will. My brother and I grew up with it and I feel it is a huge part of my childhood. I mean I named my Airsoft handle after my favorite GI joe bad guy. When I think of gi joe I think of americas highly trained special mission force. Key word being AMERICAN! I've been reading the blogs about the movie and the stuff I've seen is that the movie is going to follow the early issues of the comic book. Seeing all the comic insta-movies coming out that could be good and bad. If they pull out some mested up movie about a foreign soldier it will be a slap in the face to all the people that grew up loving Gi joe as a american tradition.

On a happier note Hasbro is updating the 80's era gi joes for the 25th anniversary of the small joes. They remade them but kept the old school boxing for them all. I saw Firefly and about sh*t, I had to get him. If your a Gi joe freak like me you'll love it.

DemonicUnicorn2
10-29-2007, 10:26 PM
i went through 3 fireflys and have 2 (my brother and my) original Quick Kick. oh the good ole days of one side of the bedroom being cobra command and the other, seemingly less defensive side bedroom Joe HQ. And oh the days of moving furniture out of the bedroom to paint and put in new carpet 15 years later only to find 15 GI Joe weapons and an arm.

strikers_blade
10-29-2007, 10:42 PM
firefly?? quick kick??? who are these guys?
Now talk to me about SnakeEyes, grunt or even stalker and then we will speak the same language? You guys remember scarlett and the baroness?

p.s. I got a blank here. who was the first mortar guy for the G.I. Joe ??? he was all green with black suspender and blonde hairs....

DemonicUnicorn2
10-29-2007, 10:55 PM
Quick Kick is under the GI Joe roll call and Firefly is under Cobra roll call.

http://www.joeheadquarters.com/charlist_joes1.shtml

strikers_blade
10-29-2007, 11:11 PM
LOL, I know who they were, my point was that you were in the 2nd generations of G.I. Joe with them. I was more referring to the original 6 (or something like that)...

p.s. Short Fuze was the name I was looking for :D

Evil Head
10-29-2007, 11:41 PM
LOL, I know who they were, my point was that you were in the 2nd generations of G.I. Joe with them. I was more referring to the original 6 (or something like that)...

p.s. Short Fuze was the name I was looking for :D

Correct, here is a picture of him.
http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/82images/shortfuze.shtml

This is a helpful action figure guide
http://www.yojoe.com/action/

Firefly
10-30-2007, 01:14 AM
I can remeber all of those and them some. Did you ever unscrew the little screw in there backs and give them new body parts. That was always fun :)

DemonicUnicorn2
10-31-2007, 08:31 PM
yes, all the time. i used to put the rocket launchers on their feet too... they fit somehow and I would pretend they were similar to jet packs. Best damn drop kicks I've ever imagined.

BLACK SE7EN
10-31-2007, 10:18 PM
The two things i hated were when the peg's for the stands would break off in there feet and the loss of a thumb, theres nothing that will spell out a joe's death sentance faster than not being able to hold a weapon.

DemonicUnicorn2
11-01-2007, 04:45 PM
Very true. maybe thats why they invented the karate chop action?

I was also thinking about how they will make the movie. Shortly after the first series was pre screened to an audience, a few parents complained that it would be wrong to show death in a children's show. Thats why the cartoons had all the Joes and Cobra firing laser weapons, and why no one ever died violently. Even when a enemy chopper was taken down you would see a parachute open shortly after. Is this going to carry over in the movie or will it be real guns?

vietec
11-01-2007, 09:43 PM
an important thing you must understand though is that the Anglo Saxons haven't been here very long, maybe a few hundred years, he could be considered a late arrival.

EDIT: May I ask how in hell I got a bad rep from big clip saying jigga what?
EDIT2: thanks disposable soldier, at least someone got my agrument.

Shifty
11-05-2007, 05:21 PM
Very true. maybe thats why they invented the karate chop action?

I was also thinking about how they will make the movie. Shortly after the first series was pre screened to an audience, a few parents complained that it would be wrong to show death in a children's show. Thats why the cartoons had all the Joes and Cobra firing laser weapons, and why no one ever died violently. Even when a enemy chopper was taken down you would see a parachute open shortly after. Is this going to carry over in the movie or will it be real guns?

That's be hillarious if it did carry over. I could see it now, a Cobra Mig 29 getting shot down by a Joe F22 or F35, the Mig exploding, with the pilot obviously not ejecting. Then, all of the sudden, you see a guy fall out fo the massive fireball, and throw his chute.

Shifty
11-05-2007, 05:24 PM
EDIT: May I ask how in hell I got a bad rep from big clip saying jigga what?


While your argument may have been factually accurate, people can be sensitive about comments made about race, even if they AREN'T made in a manner that you think could be construed as offensive. We live in a society were double standards clearly exist, and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't see someone, someplace on the news getting accused of being racist.

That being said, back to the GI Joes.