G18C (noob questions...)

[unknown]

I currently own no gas airsoft guns at the moment but i am looking into getting one. I have had my eye on the Ksc Glock 18c for a long time now but i have heard mixed reactions about it. Some people say don't get it because it will break on you in a minute but others say its the best gun that they own and they recomend it to anyone. I'm hoping that you guys could give me some input on the gun. Also are there upgrads that i should get that will make it so that the gun will not break? One last thing.... most of the g18c's now have the upgraded metal barrel and slide already installed and I was wondering if a orange tip is on the metal slide because i am only allowed to have airsoft guns if there is a ornge tip on it. Thanks for the imput its greatly appreciated.

~Brian

[Decep]

It tends to be less reliable than the Glock 17 and Glock 19 because of its fire selector/full auto capabilities. Lots of people have trouble with their fire selectors, like the ball bearing holding it in falls out and stuff like that. It's not that big of a deal though, there are lots of replacement parts you can buy at many places.

[Decep]

And yes... if you get a KWA Glock 18C, it'll have its metal barrel with orange on it .

[unknown]

If i do dcided to get upgrades for the g18c what upgrades do you sugest I get? I would like to get upgrades that would make it shoot faster but it isnt totally necessary. thanks

[GG_ALLIN]

All airsoft guns have some type of orange on their tip if your in the USA. Its the law. Importers make sure they put one on too so it doesnt get seized and that they follow our laws. So dont need to ask that

[unknown]

WEll i wasn't sure because the upgraded metal slide and barrel might not be installed and it if isn't i dont think it has to have the orange tip painted on it and that was why i was asking if the the metal slide/batrrel would have the orange tip on it.

[drgnslr]

A word to the wise,
CT state replica firearms and federal firearms laws state that you MUST have the orange tip on your gun UNLESS it is to be used for theatrical use.(ie film,stage,live performance,TV)
If your caught in CT without it your guns WILL be confiscated and you can be arrested.(conficated guns will be destroyed unless you can prove that you have a legit reason for no orange barrel)
:)

[Decep]

Originally posted by unknown
If i do dcided to get upgrades for the g18c what upgrades do you sugest I get? I would like to get upgrades that would make it shoot faster but it isnt totally necessary. thanks

Get a KWA instead of a KSC and you wont have to worry about upgrades.

[Gooch]

the only reason i have heard of people not liking the g18c, is that the fire selector breaks.
90% of the time its human error.
NEVER change the selector's setting unless the firearm's slide is locked back.
if you do it while the slide is locked in the ready to fire position, you will cause harm to your firearm.

[Agent 47]

Hmm, that seems wrong Texx, I was instructed by many airsoft veterans when i used one in my noobie days, to only switch it with the slide back. And when redwolf uploaded the video of his G18C firing, you clearly see him only switch the firing selector when the slide is back. It was the same way with my 26C....

[Decep]

I disagree with Texx as well. But anyway you do it, it is still prone to **** up.

[unknown]

Well since I can clearly see that none of you or the people in other posts seem to be to fond of the G18C should I get the g19 instead. I have not heard to many problems w/ a G19 and everyone that I have seen seems to love their g19's. I hae read that almost everyone who gets a g18c has some kind of problem that goes wrong with it and I was wondering if it is just more convinient to get the g19 even though it doesn't have full auto capabilities. Do you think it will be a better bet in the long run? Please help me with my delema.

[Agent 47]

Oh, dont get me wrong, the 18C is awesome. I have seen people sweep entire rooms with them. They are insanely popular, and good and powerful. But FA pistols arent my bag. The 26C was the exception for me, as it scared the **** out of people when you open up on them at 800 RPM with a pistol the size of a derringer :p The G19 is super awesome, and a great performer IMO. I like them alot.

[unknown]

This doesnt sound right to me but at Ravens-Arisoft they are selling a G18c for only $100?!?!? Heres the link to the site http://ravensairsoft.maverickracinginc.com/cgi-bin/store/merchant.cgi And they only want 30 for a 49 round extended magazine. This doesnt sound right to me...has any1 bout this gun from them and is the price really true?

[Newb101]

I am too are on the anti-18 bandwagon. A sidearm is just that.
Meant to be a backup to a much larger, more powerful weapon,
say your main is to die out, you rip out the 18. Which is more prone
to miss/jam/go full auto even when set in semi. etc.

Not to mention accelerated wear, and you cannot deny this. :P
I myself have a 17, and couldn't be happier. Only had a slight few
hiccups that a toddler could fix.

Now, another reason, although smaller, is becuase everyone and
their brother's dog has a 18. But as you can see I also own a MP5.
Another common as dirt weapon, and its for a reason, its damn reliable.
And is a good middle of the road performer for the starter.

Now with the 18, I can't see that. But I will probally own one later in
my airsofting days when I feel like putting up with it. :)


And to any glock owners, they LOVE .25s :).

[Decep]

Yeah, i would say go with the Glock 19 instead of the 18C. It's more reliable and it'll cause you less emotional distress in the future :D

BUt it's your choice.. if you want an automatic pistol get the G18C.

[unknown]

Would you say that the g18c and the g19 have the same accuracy on semi-auto? If not which one is better?

[snowman]

Theory suggests the slightly bigger G18 should perform better on accuracy than the 19, but I suspect you'll see little difference.

I thought I'd come to the 18s defence. Whilst it has been known to fail on occasions, many of the problems are down to two factors.

First off, it's full auto capability makes it appeal to newbies, many who don't know how to look after a gas gun and who expect flawless performance (Anyone with any experience of gas guns will know there is just no such thing...). The 18C is fussy about the quality of BB you give it, especially on full-auto, and also likes to have a reasonable level of gas in the magazine. Failure to achieve either of these will almost certainly result in the expulsion of the remaining gas from the magazine.

Secondly, there are a quite a few small moving parts in a Glock 18s slide and they are all held together by a complex interaction of the allen bolt which comes down from under the sight and the pin which goes into the back of the slide. These two parts are essential to the correct location of the selector. If either becomes worn or loose, the gun will start to switch from semi to full-auto without warning. These parts are cheap and available (at least from places like WGC) and do wear out, it would seem, but if you consider what the G18 is doing on full auto, that's hardly surprising.

Thirdly, people love to shoot them full auto. I rarely shot my old G18 full auto, treating it as a G17 with attitude and (aside from the problems noted in the first point) I never experienced any real problems. I recently bought a somewhat used G18C (to fit a metal slide and barrel to... That's another story...) and it works reliably in both semi and full auto mode. People will tell you of their TMP that's fired 10,000 rounds on full auto, but the G18C is much cheaper than a TMP and much smaller (so parts are smaller and more prone to wear), so you really can't expect high reliability or long lifespan from a gun regularly used on full auto.

Finally, Glock 18C slides do not fail regularly. The reason people say they do is that they run them on Green Gas and full auto. If you do your research you'll see that $200 WA Prokillers die under much less provocation than that and Mac 11s and Micro Uzis will too. Early guns may have had design flaws, but the 18 has evolved.

I'm not going to say a G18C is the best gun around, personally I'd take a KSC M93R over a Glock select fire any day, but it really isn't the POS it's frequently painted.

I know some respected member of the forum will come up with their story of 5 G18Cs failing after 3 BBs on duster gas whilst stored in a VAT of silicon oil, but every gun has its lemon and the 18C is no exception.

The fact that so many people have G18s is because they've seen other people's in action and bought one. To be honest, if you want something different on the skirmish field, you shouldn't be thinking G19 (which, by all accounts, is popular for the same reasons as the 18, it's cheap and it's pretty reliable), but that gun has its own virtues, but one is not full auto functionality (get the 23F, just don't expect it to be any better than an 18C...).

Find me another true handgun (not a SMG) with full auto capability for $100 that is even AS reliable.

Cheers.

[Newb101]

Oh don't get me wrong I agree the 18 has its uses, and even *gasp*
a use. But, I would not recommend it as a first gun.

If you treat the 18 for what it is, then it should last you quite a while.

[ttman]

the KWA G18c is my 1st gas gun... and SECOND. I love it so much I bought 2, so did my teammate =) why do I like it?
1. skirmish worthiness
2. select fire (better to have & not need then to need & NOT have)
3. metal slide & barrel

[snowman]

Newb101

>> But, I would not recommend it as a first gun.

I'd tend to agree with you, but I had a Micro UZI as my first GBB and the G18C was my second, so who am I to say :)

Cheers.

[cyberlogicx]

I really like my KSC M93R. with the 3 round burst function, in addition to semi and full auto, it really helps save on ammo! Plus, I think it looks waaaaaaaaay more badass than any glock. Another advantage is the standard mag size. The glock is 18c comes with a 23 round mag and the beretta comes with a 38. Plus, with the folding foregrip on the beretta, it is much easier to fire 2 handed (better accuracy) and with the berettas optional metal stock, you practically have a SMG. The beretta hs one tragic flaw tho... the lack of a "decent" holster. Because of the flash supressor on the end and the folding foregrip, i have yet to find a holster that it really fits in. Other than that, i love my beretta and i have no complaints about it. I plan on gettin the new metal compensator for it to make it even more badass!
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/upload/product/img/RWC-M93R-L.jpg

[ttman]

the glock 18c does have a 50 rd mag ;-) oh & dat beretta is uglier then sin =) dat handle is an abomination & the enlarged trigger guard blows. a normal beretta is an otherwise decent looking gun.

[cyberlogicx]

Originally posted by ttman
the glock 18c does have a 50 rd mag ;-)
Well, if actually took the time to READ my post, you would realise that I was referring to STOCK magazines

oh & dat beretta is uglier then sin =) dat handle is an abomination & the enlarged trigger guard blows
Why dont you take some time and think about what you are saying. functionallity and looks can be two very different things in a gun. Have you ever tried to fire the 18C in full auto and maintain a decent grouping @ 25 feet? I gaurantee that my M93R will be more accurate under sustained fire BECAUSE of the "enlarged trigger guard that blows." Plus, the M93R has the 3 round burst option. You should try a weapon before you bash it. And grow up a little

[Brian3]

Originally posted by GG_ALLIN
All airsoft guns have some type of orange on their tip if your in the USA. Its the law. Importers make sure they put one on too so it doesnt get seized and that they follow our laws. So dont need to ask that

you r very rite jonathan