Best bull-pup

[allthingsrock335]

I was wondering which bull-pup gun is the best one to get?

[Rigormortis]

It really depends on what you mean by best.

[Agent 47]

I myself prefer the FA MAS over the Aug, but thats just because i have used a FA MAS alot more than the AUG. It seems to shoot faster as well. Accuracy is nice too, as well as range. As far as i know, FA MAS's dont take to upgrades too well though :-\. Great stock gun.

[nextmayor]

Most stock TM AEG's will have similar performance levels. Consider where you will play, inside or outside. Longer AEG's are usually more preferable on the field, but I use a P90 and it serve me well in out door skirmishes.

So like I said, buy the AEG that you think looks the coolest.

[allthingsrock335]

yeah i probably going to get a AUG, but do y=they sell custom batteries for the AUG?

[Rigormortis]

Yes, they do have custom batteries for the Aug. Get them at: http://www.onlybatterypacks.com or http://www.batteryspace.com

[Deviant]

If you like extreme compactness...go with the P90. If you like barrel length and compactness go with the AUG. Both guns (with a little internal body modding) can house a larger 9.6V battery. Both guns can easily be taken apart and upgraded. The difference, truly, is in barrel length. The longer the barrel = accuracy over longer distance shooting.

Comfort is also a major factor. The P90 is pretty balanced as-is while the AUG, in standard form, is a little back heavy. There are silencer kits and the like that can be added to the AUG that make it as balanced as any gun on the market and the good thing is the kits actually work! Not to mention that there are SMG kits to make the AUG as compact as the P90!

Some players like the shorter P90 for manueverability in CQB play and some like the AUG the same even thought it is longer. It is all based ont he player and what they feel comfortable with. If you are smaller person (little frame, short) I recommend the P90 other than that, for what you get, I would go with the AUG.

I currently have Steyr with several modifications and it shoots the best I have seen ANY AEG shoot.

[allthingsrock335]

Thanks for all the input you guys!

[Phizz]

The Steyr AUG......... THE AUG AUG AUG AUG AUG AUGINATOR STEYRNESS. Come on, guys...... The newschool Bull-pup can't take over the classic Aug yet.....

[Fox]

its considering a bul-pup for the way it loads, not the round it chambers.

The concept of the bul-pup is to have the receiver/action in the butt stock of the gun so you can have a longer barrel with out extending the gun.

[Secretagentman]

Actually if you check even FN's website the P90 IS a bullpup rifle and is also the EPIDOMY of the bullpup design. And is the only truly ambidextrous design since the magazine is loaded in the top with the release being easy to operate from either side. And the shell casings are ejected down and back away from the shooter rather than to a side!

And as for the round it chambers....this was a VERY specific design meant for a specific purpose. I don't really know how you can say it's not either a pistol or rifle round...maybe not EXACTLY either, but it's sure dang effective! Class IIIA armor piercing like butter! As well as PASGT and a plethora of other current body armor out there. Also once it's entered it spalls thus keeping colateral damage to a minimum. It was designed for modern warfare with modern armor wearing terrorists and military in mind.

007...out

[Deviant]

Secret,

That would be the 5.7x28mm SS190 Ball Round (standard) as does its side-arm mate the FN Fiveseven. The only problem with the round is that will go through the person you are firing at, the person behind him, the wall behind them, etc. It goes STRAIGHT through the target! :D

It also can use the SB 193 subsonic round.

In Airsoft the P90 shoots a plastic-silicone 0.6mm ball round in weights varying from 0.20 to 0.43 grams! :p

Anyways...we are way off course. Those deciding what they want, ESPECIALLY in the realm of bull-pups, need to handle the variances and get a feel of each. Regardless, the bull-pup design DOES take some getting used to! ;)

[Secretagentman]

DOH.....oh well...don't I feel stupid.

The SB193 coupled with the FN supressor is a great mix! :)

Yeah plastic....guess I should have speficied that I was speaking about the REAL P90! :p

I agree Deviant...that design can take some getting used to...but for me the P90 fit like a glove and I've loved it from the minute I picked it up. :)

007...out

[Cobra Commander]

Deviant, it is you who is mistaken and I quote:

The tip of the ogive has a steel penetrator followed by an aluminum core that is heavier than the forward tip. This causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue after 2 inches of penetration. This design virtually eliminates the risk of over penetration.

That is from FNs website, referring to the SS190 projectile, Secretagentman was correct. and Secretagenman, that's epitome, not epidomy. ;)

[drgnslr]

ALL,
This is cut and paste from FN's website:

FNH USA, Inc.
5.7x28mm WEAPON SYSTEM

The 5.7x28mm weapon system is comprised of three components: the 5.7x28mm ammunition, the P90 Sub-machine gun, and the Five-seveN handguns. The 5.7x28mm SS190 ammunition has been designed to bridge the gap between the 9mm ammunition and the 5.56 x 45mm. The 9mm FMJ round will not penetrate modern body armor and the 5.56mm (.223 Rem.) rifle ammunition creates over-penetration concerns in a close combat situation or urban warfare. The SS190 has unique design, utilizing two metal inserts. The tip of the ogive has a steel penetrator followed by an aluminum core that is heavier than the forward tip. This causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue after 2 inches of penetration. This design virtually eliminates the risk of over penetration. This also creates a large wound cavity and quick incapacitation. The SS190 will perforate 48 layers of Kevlar up to 200 meters when fired from the P90 and achieve the same result up to 50 meters with the Five-seveN handgun. The 5.7 ammunition has only 60% of the recoil impulse of a 9mm. The muzzle velocity of the SS190 is 2,346fps when fired from the P90 and 2,133fps with the Five-seveN. Tracer, Sub Sonic, Training and Blank ammunition available.

As far as the Poll goes I'm not really a fan of the bull-pup design but after firing both real steel and airsoft versions of the P-90 I have to say it is a SWEET gun!:D

[Secretagentman]

Hey Cobra thanks for the spelling lesson! :p
I guess sometimes I just get too carried away and forget to make sure I always spell words correctly. :D


007...out

[Deviant]

That is what the website says....I agree. I am speaking from a person who has actually FIRED the P90 AND the FiveseveN who seen otherwise.

Besides, I believe you are reading what they do after the penetrate Kevlar. If they can penetrate it at 400M, you can believe that it will not go through a peron point blank? C'mon.

Anyways...if you are right...congrats...but I dont see it.

[Cobra Commander]

Well Deviant, if you've actually fired them at ballistic gelatin, I believe you. I had assumed (thus making an *** out of you and me) you just thought that it would cut through a person because of the high penetration capability. I envy you

[Agent 47]

I too have hadled and fired a FN P90 (real steel) Not much to them, i dont much care for them. In terms of power, range, rof and groupings, i still think the Mp5 is better. The 5.7mm ammunition causes a smaller cavity in human flesh than a .22

.17 hornet causes a larger cavity than 5.7mm ammunition, it's just TOO LIGHT. sure, the concept is good, but HK's new(still in development) 4.5mm(i think?) round will blow it out of the water im told. But, i will jsut have to fire one of those too. Just give me a gun that fires .440 cor-bon, and i'll pierce your body armor; leave a cavity the size of a grapefruit too...

[im B.E.L]

The aug and p90 are both good aegs but the famas is also in that category i mean its compact very manuverable balanced everything the others are oh it cant take upgrades right u just have to look for them theres no needed extra money for custom battery packs. yes it does look ugly but the thing grows on you ive got a sig 550 id chose the famas over that any day. i dont know its just my opinion.;)

[Cobra Commander]

Well, getting back to the topic, I'll have my P90 next week, I'll tell you how it works out. I can tell you right now that it fits very well into the shoulder, it justs kind of plops right into place, and to the contrary is not too small.

[stargate6]

Agent47,
Where'd you fire a real steel FN P90. As I understand it, it's only for law enforcement and military use (and not the U.S. Military). The 5.7mm is intended for penetration, not stopping power.

[Cobalt-Blue]

penetration, yes, stopping power- after it has passed through armor it is more effective than simply passing through flesh, but I have yet to see a perp or a soldier complain they were shot with too small a bullet!

agent- .177 is 4.5mm- at least on the side of my lead pellet can.

[Deviant]

Cobra,

The P-90 isnt small for average to small size players but I stand 6'5" tall and it is kinda odd to get used too. The AUG, for me, is perfect. Allt he weight is to the back of the gun where I shoulder it making the lighter front receiver VERY EASY to manuever. Rifle length gun in Bull-Pup design....cant beat it!:)

My teammate, Sabre, stands around 6'6" and he LOVES the P90! He loves the extreme compactness it offers and the nice ROF it allows. I have used the P90 in a few games and I have no problems with them. IT IS a great indoor weapon but I am not to keen on it being used outdoors (range issues). :rolleyes: I am sure that you will pleased with your AEG...the P90 is a great piece.

[nextmayor]

I'm 6'2" and the P90 fit me well. However, I just loved the look of the Nitro Voices Front RIS and Folding Grip. so I picked them up. All I can say is that the addition of 6-8 inches on the P90 made it even more comfortable. Additionally, the folding grip allows me to now hold my my P90 like a traditional rifle or with the RIS grip. It was comfortable before and now it is even better. As for range issues, I have an Systema M100 FTK in my P90 and I do not feel disadvantaged. I'm playing with guys that use upgraded M4's mainly and I still feel like I can evenly engage my opponents.

[Agent 47]

Ever hear of Knob Creek kentucky? yeah, was out there, put about a thousand rounds through a MG3, another 600 through a FN MAG, and i probably put 100 through the P90 (a magazine and about 3/4, so probably less than that) I had more fun with the Mp5 PDW's, and the G36's.


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[Cobalt-Blue]

stargate, anyone with a class III weapons permit may buy such guns- provided they have enough time and money.

there is a shooting range right here in Manchester NH with m16's m4's mp5's and a slew of other full autos you can rent to punch holes in paper.

oh yeah, and the P90 is an awesome gun for anyone of any size- provided you like it's looks.

[Agent 47]

makes a great room cleaner, as does a Maruzen Mp5k or Micro Uzi, or a TM Uzi on helicals....

[drgnslr]

Originally posted by Agent 47
I too have hadled and fired a FN P90 (real steel) Not much to them, i dont much care for them. In terms of power, range, rof and groupings, i still think the Mp5 is better. The 5.7mm ammunition causes a smaller cavity in human flesh than a .22

.17 hornet causes a larger cavity than 5.7mm ammunition, it's just TOO LIGHT. sure, the concept is good, but HK's new(still in development) 4.5mm(i think?) round will blow it out of the water im told. But, i will jsut have to fire one of those too. Just give me a gun that fires .440 cor-bon, and i'll pierce your body armor; leave a cavity the size of a grapefruit too...
To hell with that just let me wisper(haha) in thier ear from 1000yds out with my Barrett light 50 .50cal(12.7x99mm) BMG 10rnd-mag short-recoil, 5 round groups of 1/2MOA at 995 yards(5")arhgh arhgh...arhgh!!
I put a whole in them big enough to drive a f***kin truck thru!!:D :D

[Cobra Commander]

hey drgnslr, is that semi-auto or bolt? Agent 47, if you think about it, the 5.7mm will most certainly cause a larger wound than a .22, firstly because it's a bigger round (slightly) and second, because of it's high velocity, which, when you hit bones will cause secondary projectiles, not to mention the beautiful exit wound. This is all assuming it does not tumble, which you claim it doesn't, but did you fire it into ballistic gelatin, or just paper? Or perhaps you fired it at someone at the range? Please give me proof, then and only then will I believe you.

[drgnslr]

Semi...and old mine is from the early days of Barrett around 1986 it was made I belive.
but hell it still will do the trick.....I've even got a rnd just for the off chance I ever see Bin Laden it says "343" in the side of it (the number of my brothers that died 9-11-01 NEVER FORGET!):D

[Cobra Commander]

Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of it. I went to Barretts website last night, and the only semi-auto I found was the M82, although it's sounds pretty nice with the low recoil and all, I seem to recall it having terrible accuracy, something like 2 MOA or worse. Anyhow, I believe you, you got any pics? Truthfully though, I kind of like McMillan, ever since reading Rainbow Six, they've kind of caught my fancy, just never heard much about them, or their accuracy. But those are bolt action, I've always been partial to semi-auto.

[Fox]

Depends on if the 5.7 was a armor pericing tip of ballistic in my opinion.


I would think if it was an AP round it wouldnt leave a wound like a hollowpoint would when it mushrooms out in you.

[drgnslr]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of it. I went to Barretts website last night, and the only semi-auto I found was the M82, although it's sounds pretty nice with the low recoil and all, I seem to recall it having terrible accuracy, something like 2 MOA or worse. Anyhow, I believe you, you got any pics? Truthfully though, I kind of like McMillan, ever since reading Rainbow Six, they've kind of caught my fancy, just never heard much about them, or their accuracy. But those are bolt action, I've always been partial to semi-auto.
Early civillian version of the M82,I believe.
It was a gift from a friends family after he passed.
as far as pics I see about taking and uploading some asap.
I would love a McMillan however I cant afford one,as far as accuracy the stats I posted are my personal best with this firearm.

And on the topic of the .22 round vs.the 5.7mm I would rather be shot by the 5.7mm.
atleast it has enough velocity to get back out of the body,whereas the .22 just plays mix-master with your vital organs.:)

[Cobra Commander]

Actually the M82 came out in 1982, unfortunately Barrett doesn't mention anything about accuracy. I just went back to the mcmillan website, www.mcbrosrifles.com, I forgot they mentioned that :
"Accuracy: All rifles are capable of 1/2 MOA in the hands of a qualified shooter with appropriate ammunition."
Good enough for me. As far as the Barrett is concerned, hell, thats some good shooting! Personally for semi-autos I'd take a PSG1, but at a third of the cost with twice the effective range, and probably 10 times the power, the McMillan holds my heart in a vice-grip.

[drgnslr]

You 96b's always over analize everything:D (just kidding!)
Like I said McMillan is a great rifle but I cant afford one.
Actually the M82 came out in 1982
The Barrett company wasnt started until 1983.
I honestly do not know when the rifle I have was made,I remember my friend saying something like 1986 but I could be wrong.
Its been many years he died in 1993 and his son thought he would have wanted me to have the rifle and 2 handguns.
on the right side of the barrel it says"Barrett Light 50---.50cal BMG"
I would love to be able to tell you more but I just dont know that much about this particular gun,my area of expertise is NATO/WARSAW pact smallarms and assualt rifles..
as far as the accuracy I should probably tell you I have never re-created the conditions or grouping at that distance.
But it was and is my personal best!.
:D

[Cobra Commander]

Ah yes, you are correct. in any event, I'll make sure not to make you angry, between here and 1000 metres. ;)