football suspensions (and other sports aliements)

[high plains drifter]

I just saw tht Pacman Jones got arrested again for some strip club fight. And a good handful of Bengals are getting arrested as well for things they could have avoided. What can/shoudl be done because suspensions dont seem to help.

[British]

Human sacrifice. J/k. It's the same idea as what is going on in schools. Schools have gone from paddleing kids to putting them in detention. I'll tell you one thing in my school detention does nothing. Detention is equivelent to suspensions in football. I say lower their pay a bit. Why do they make so much anyway? They are being payed millions to play games that I play on the playground for free.

[Darkstar]

Sports teams pay millions of dollars to sport stars to get them on their teams. They do this in order to attract consumers to their sporting events. Consumers purchase tickets, buy food and beer, and spend money. You've been conditioned to think that Ken Griffey Jr. is an awesome baseball player, so you go down to the Reds stadium to watch him play. In reality, he sucks a$$ at baseball and has more use as a billboard than anything else. It's the same with any team. They see a good player, and they'll pay to get him.

As far as the bengals go. I think they need to add something to their contract which states that they need to stay clean and out of trouble, or else they forfeit their pay for that season (including any money they had already been paid for that season). Then those retards would straighten their a$$es up!! Honestly though, people think it's a Bengals problem, but it happens all over the country. It's just not acceptable, and people need to start acting like it. Of course, when people start thinking it's okay to have talk show hosts like Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen Degeneres on TV acting fruity half the time, then what do you expect. People still think crap like the Jerry Springer show was entertaining. Or Maury Povich. God help us, the Earth is doomed.

Darkstar out.

[strikers_blade]

While I do think this thread is another waste of space :D , you guys need to start realize most athlete are not engineers, lawyers or even diplomees. These guys are in the sport for their physical abilities. Asking them to think twice before fighting in club or how to behave in public might be too much for them.

Obviously, some smart athlete are there two but as in airsoft, the majority rules and tarnish the good athletes....

[British]

I feel like inserting this here
"everyone knows that electricity doesn't steal your soul. Television does."-leland glossen. (he's a comedian that I saw on this show called bannanas. It brodcasts from columbus.)
I put that there because even though I think Darkstar was joking (I really hope Darkstar was joking) television has ruined society. Just look at how fat people are getting in america. It is all because of many many large corperations (mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, Max&Erma's, Arbies, All PIZZA stores, TWINKIES, and all those other foods) and television that are causing people to get fat and slowly die of random heart conditions that I don't fully understand except that your heart stops faster and if you yell your face turns red (or am I the only one that notices that?) Whoa I got off topic there. Yeah well see the sports people are payed so much that they think that they can get away with anything hence they do stupid things (like drink thier body weight in beer) and then punch and or murder someone (notice how realistic this is). I just have to say this. America has become a bunch of Mcdonalds eating, television watching, sports following "people". OK I'm done.

[strikers_blade]

Bubbaplay,

Television is as dangerous as guns are.

The problem is not the television itself, it is what we want it to be. Television, guns, video games, restaurants are what we want them to be. Only YOU can decide what is good or bad for you. You know how bad things can be? then act accordingly and promote what is good and people will follow.

Sitting in front of the TV and *****ing is it bad won't change anything. Instead, turn it off, load your battery and get out in the wood shooting some bbs and it will start making a difference.

It is very easy to blame the society, the tv or people around but start by taking the right decision and make the right actions and you will have done a great thing already.... lead by the example.

now back on topic, if people would stop watching and paying these athletes, they would have no choice to either get smarter or leave the sport (they would most likely get fired anyway)...

[Locutus]

You've been conditioned to think that Ken Griffey Jr. is an awesome baseball player, so you go down to the Reds stadium to watch him play. In reality, he sucks a$$ at baseball and has more use as a billboard than anything else.

People think Ken Griffey Jr. is an awesome baseball player because he IS an awesome baseball player. He has 581 home runs, only 7 other players in baseball history have more. He is currently third in the national league with 18 home runs and 6th in the league with a .570 slugging percentage. He was the youngest player to reach 400 career homeruns, received 9 consecutive gold glove awards, and broke the American League record for the most consecutive chances without an error. There is a laundry list of other accomplishments if you would like me to go on.

He is a no doubt first ballot HOFer, unfortunately injuries in recent years has kept him from playing a lot of the time, but when he is playing, he is an awesome baseball player.

To say that one of the best baseball players to ever play the game sucks *** at baseball is simply ludicrous.

[Miyagi]

Fascists? You put that word in the same sentence as america?
Be happy you can eat 24/7,watch any TV show you want, watch a football game and not get suicide bombed,play airsoft and SAY WHAT YOU WANT AND NOT GET PUNISHED FOR ATTACKING THE NATION. Have you ever lived in another country? Doubt it.
You know what is worse than being overweight?ANSWER: Rambling about a subject you know nothing about.

[British]

I'm editing this out. It was just a fit of rage. Sorry to miyagi and to car15A2 and anyone else that I may have insulted by calling americans fascists. I did not mean it in a literal sense.

[Darkstar]

Asking them to think twice before fighting in club or how to behave in public might be too much for them.

Obviously, some smart athlete are there two but as in airsoft, the majority rules and tarnish the good athletes....

Why is it too much to ask of them? They people like anyone else and should be held to the same standards. They're people, not gorillas, though some might call them a$$es. I think that if you are put into a position to act like a role model, you should act like one, and not like a retard. My two cents.

Oh, and just because Griffey has a bunch of accomplishments doesn't mean that I can't think he sucks donkey balls. It's still the United States of America and I still have the freedom to make my own opinion. I think you'd find it difficult to argue that he's the most OVERPAID Reds player in history.

Darkstar out.

[strikers_blade]

Role model? we made them as such...they did not choose to become role model. ...and as you said, they are people, not super-human...which we have the tendency to associates with role models...

[Darkstar]

Dude, I'm POSITIVE that every one of those guys knows damn well he's going to be a major role model to kids and fans everywhere. Any idiot could grasp that concept if they were put into that kind of situation. It is their decision whether or not to take the responsibility seriously or not. They can respect their position in society as a role model, or they can choose to ignore it. The sports players are envied by millions, and so they're under constant public scrutiny. Same goes for movie starts, and other celebrities.

Come on Blade, if you were a big sports star making millions of dollars a year, you know that people would envy you and would want what you have, and would see you as the kind of person they would want to be (aka, a role model). You'd probably drive a hot sportscar, and hang around with hot women and go to celebrity parties, etc. If these idiots who do stupid things and get arrested don't want the responsibility of being a positive role model, that's fine. But then I think it is the public's responsibility not to tolerate that kind of behavior too. I guess it's time to write the Bengals coach and express your disgust and tell him to fire the guy.

And Bubba, Paris Hilton was already famous before her infamous porno movies made their way into the lives of young men around the world. Sure, there are going to be sport celebs, and other celebs too, who don't want to be role models, but there is NOTHING they can do about it, since people are going to put them on a pedestal and worship the ground on which they walk. One then comes to a point at which they are in the public eye and should do the right thing (keyword: "Should"). But people like Paris Hilton should be spit on and thrown out of the spot light. Unfortunately people are so star obsessed that they don't care what she does. People like to see other people's life go down the toilet, so then we can say "Look at her and how she F'ed her life up. Make sure NEVER to act like that or do the things she did", etc, etc. As long as people still want to see crap like that, then the rest of the US will continue to think it's okay.

Darkstar out.

[Texx]

Bah..if a million dollar sports hero can't behave himself, then he deserves his fate.

Remember what Uncle Ben said -- "with great power comes great responsibility."

And remember that time when Peter decided not be responsible and Uncle Ben was killed by that carjacker.... terrible.

And Uncle Ben was played by the same guy that played JFK in that WWII Boat movie where he was in the boat and did all that stuff that was kinda cliche' and boring so I flipped back over to RAW to see those chicks wrestling...hmm, busty chicks wrestling...and then I decided to turn off the TV and ask my wife if she'd like to wrestle...

THe moral of the story is baseball sucks anyway. A bunch of guys huddled around striking and hitting balls with a bat and massive spitting - they all wear tights. You hit their ball and then run around a diamond....gay. Totally gay.

I like sports where you can sneak up and shoot people one minute, then go have a nice piece of watermelon with them the next...

[strikers_blade]

Even better!, don't watch football anymore...you will see how fast these "role model" will become "role nobody".... my point is not that athlete don't know about them being role players, it is about them choosing to be or not....this is why in Hollywood, you have actors not being too "present" outside the screen... Harrison Ford or Johnny Depp to name a few...

[British]

OK granted not all major athletes are role models. There are some that are very well known. Take Le Bron James for example. He has shoes that are sold with his name at what $150 a pair? I can go and buy a quality pair of Nike shoes that are almost the same for $50. The worst thing is that people buy the Le bron shoes. Why because they want to be just like him. It's the same with other athletes.

[THX]

Everytime Im around a group of people that start talking extensively about football players, basketball players, etc. I like to remind them that there are men and women doing things far more important and far more amazing overseas right now and they get paid 1/100th of what 1 minor sports figure makes. Being a sports fan (Im not talking about a player) really leads to sheeple-like qualities. You see it all the time - guys and girls sublimating anger and competive urges by watching other people compete. Its acheivement by proxy. Its one thing to appreciate their acheivements and skills as a fellow competitor but sad (in my opinion) if you are a "fan". What they do REALLY has no baring on 99.9% of us but most hold them up higher (in practice) and pay them exponentially more than the people ACTUALLY giving their lives for us. Next time you spend $50-500 on a football ticket and sit with 100,000 other people spending the same think about what that money would do for soldiers lives if you hadnt allowed your priorities to be so skewed by the whole industrial-sports-complex.
Just something to think about.
And to answer the original question of this thread - I could care less.

[Darkstar]

Even better!, don't watch football anymore...you will see how fast these "role model" will become "role nobody"....

Agree 100%!! Nuff said about that!

OK granted not all major athletes are role models. There are some that are very well known. Take Le Bron James for example. He has shoes that are sold with his name at what $150 a pair? I can go and buy a quality pair of Nike shoes that are almost the same for $50. The worst thing is that people buy the Le bron shoes. Why because they want to be just like him. It's the same with other athletes.

Well, I'm sure you choose NOT to buy those shoes. Of course, I bought a pair of Air Jordans when they first came out, but I wasn't really buying them because I wanted to be like Michael Jordan. I bought them (or rather my parents bought them) because they were COMFORTABLE!!! I swear to this day that those were the most comfortable shoe I've ever worn.

Anyway, people are going to have role models no matter what. There are people who idolize Charles Manson too, so there is little to be done about telling people that a Bengal getting into a flight is bad. Anyway, I think this topic has run it's course.

Darkstar out.

[British]

I agree with you darkstar. Yeah the Air Jordans are nice shoes, but I have seen the Le Bron ones and I swear, they are the same as this other nike shoe, but cost 3 times the amount. I shouldn't have said "all" athletes. It's just when there are two nearly or exactly the same shoes, shirts or whatever (bubble gum in Le bron's case) then why by the more expensive ones. Because people want to have (insert name here)'s shoes, shirt or gum. Not everyone is like this, some people buy them because they look cool, but the point is that athletes have become role models in our society. And the shoes are proof.

[Locutus]

Everytime Im around a group of people that start talking extensively about football players, basketball players, etc. I like to remind them that there are men and women doing things far more important and far more amazing overseas right now and they get paid 1/100th of what 1 minor sports figure makes. Being a sports fan (Im not talking about a player) really leads to sheeple-like qualities. You see it all the time - guys and girls sublimating anger and competive urges by watching other people compete. Its acheivement by proxy. Its one thing to appreciate their acheivements and skills as a fellow competitor but sad (in my opinion) if you are a "fan". What they do REALLY has no baring on 99.9% of us but most hold them up higher (in practice) and pay them exponentially more than the people ACTUALLY giving their lives for us. Next time you spend $50-500 on a football ticket and sit with 100,000 other people spending the same think about what that money would do for soldiers lives if you hadnt allowed your priorities to be so skewed by the whole industrial-sports-complex.
Just something to think about.
And to answer the original question of this thread - I could care less.

So you think it is "sad" to be a sports fan? Then you must think 95% of the hetrosexual male population is sad.

I bet a lot of people think it is "sad" for a 35 year old man to dress up in army clothes and pretend to be in a war....

[high plains drifter]

Paris Hilton is a whole nother story. I hope this doesnt become a flame war or anything :eek: . If the baseball commish had brain cells at all he would have thrown Barry Bonds out of the game years ago.

[yea_right]

not that I would pay $150 to buy Le Bron James shoes, its just like most people here paying $$$ to look like Navy Seals!
You want to talk about spending $50-500 on football tickets, how about $45 for a field fee, or $300 for that airsoft rifle? And lastly, how would it be different if people didn't spend money on sports? How is that going to change the life of a soldier? No matter what I spend my money on, their pay is not going to change.

[Son of Liberty]

I just hate how a Bengal getting Arressted = my Dad having to stay up all night writing a Dozen Stories on Chris Henry drinking and driving...yawn...concealed weapons, yeah yeah....My Dad and I were going to go out to a Reds Game because we both love Baseball, and he did the same with his Father, but nope, Odell Thurman had to get arressted so he couldn't do anything with me that day, thanks Bengals...

As I said at a Bengals vrs Panthers game last year:
"Who Dey?!"
"Law Enforcement,"

[THX]

So you think it is "sad" to be a sports fan? Then you must think 95% of the hetrosexual male population is sad

I made the distinction between fan and player. I draw a big distinction between someone who plays and someone who only likes to watch. Men who dont participate but will stick up for and argue with other men that "their" guys are better than "your" guys are repressing some issues. And no I dont think 95% of actual heterosexual males are sad, just the ones who CALL themselves heterosexual but scream like little girls at the top of their lungs over other mens achievements involving one mans domination of another man.

I bet a lot of people think it is "sad" for a 35 year old man to dress up in army clothes and pretend to be in a war....

Yes I agree. They probably do, but Im not in denial about that. Oh and Ill be 36 this weekend.

[THX]

how about $45 for a field fee, or $300 for that airsoft rifle?.

The difference is that YOU are actually doing something yourself, not watch someone else do it. That would make you a player, not a fan.

And lastly, how would it be different if people didn't spend money on sports? How is that going to change the life of a soldier? No matter what I spend my money on, their pay is not going to change.

Im not talking about spending money on sports. Im talking about spending money (and time and energy) on being a fan. In the simplest way its more of a mental exercise really - Lebron James made more money in 1 period than the last US soldier that was killed made all year. I guess its an exercise in relative priorities and who we view as role models vs. how we spend our money glorifying and honoring them.

[British]

You know what's the worst thing about athletes being payed a lot? Sports tend to be sesonal. Here's an example scenario.

Player A plays basketball. He is playing for 4 months a year and gets payed 15million dollars. 4 months is 1/3rd of a year. that means if the sports season went on all year he would make 45million dollars a year.
Worker A is a cubicle dweler. He works 12 months a year and gets 14 days off every year. He make $150,000. Worker A makes .33% as much as the athlete yet works 3 times as much a year. that's a big difference.

[CAR15A2]

First off saying facists was a joke. It fits because if you're smart then you would know that facists are all the same. Second, I have lived in another country. I lived in England from 2001-2004 and have probably been to more countries than you have ever been to. I will list them at the bottom of this post. Oh and enlighten me. What do I not know about in this subject. Come on Miyagi tell, what do I not know enough about sports in order to talk about this. I said that america is becoming fat (true statement. 20% of america is obese. Up a lot since the turn of the '90s.) I said professionel athlets are over payed (opinion on my part). So what do I not know about? Also miyagi was that last part an attempt to call me fat? if it was I just want you to know somting. I'm 5'7" and weigh 125lbs. Not exatly overwieght. Last time I checked a weight chart I was very close to underweight. And miyagi let me ask you a question. Whats worse than posting apperently "incorrect" information? Answer. A 46 year-old man that finds some need to insult a 15 year old at a lot of turns just to raise his ego. Put it together. I'm sure you can figure it out.
Oh and Miyagi. Have you ever lived in another country? I doubt it.
Countries I have been to.
america, canada, England, scotland, ireland, poland, germany, france, luxembourg, belgium, italy, the vatican city, moracco, spain, portugual, netherlands there a few more, but I can't remember all of them.


Miyagi was carreer Navy. You still think he hasn't lived in another country?

15 year olds know everything. I know, I once was one. Now I know I did not half of what I thought I did.

Americans are living longer than ever before, and living well in their old age. Television does not make you fat. Eating to much and not exercising makes you fat. The obesity in this country really took off with the advent of playstations and computer games, not television. TV has been common in America since the late 1950s. The obesity problem is mostly a product of the 1990s, 40 years later.

You obviously don't know much about Fascism if you accuse Americans of being Fascists, Hell, you don't even know how to spell it!

That is just one small list of what you don't know.

[CAR15A2]

Nope I am not trying to defend my team mate, he is quite capable of defending himself.

I am sick of people calling Americans fascists. And I am sick of people blaming television for everything from obesity to short attention spans. TV is what you make of it. There is an "off" switch

[British]

I didn't mean to use fascist in a offencesive way and I'm going to remove it from that orginal post now. As I said I was using it in a non literal way. While I am not a patriot I like you don't like people dissing americans or america. I don't blame television for everything for example I doubt any link between television and an increse of violence. I think that has to do more with the part that guns are more readly avalible. I don't think that television causes grades to decline. Even though there is an off switch people don't use it. (yet again not literal)

[high plains drifter]

I just hate how a Bengal getting Arressted = my Dad having to stay up all night writing a Dozen Stories on Chris Henry drinking and driving...yawn...concealed weapons, yeah yeah....My Dad and I were going to go out to a Reds Game because we both love Baseball, and he did the same with his Father, but nope, Odell Thurman had to get arressted so he couldn't do anything with me that day, thanks Bengals...

As I said at a Bengals vrs Panthers game last year:
"Who Dey?!"
"Law Enforcement,"

Is ur dad Paul Daughtery or something!!??:D

[strikers_blade]

USA sucks!!!! :D

doodlie doo....time to urghhh close urrggghhh this urrggghh useless uurggghhh thread.

As Spiderman, the banninator is never there when you need him the most! :p

[Revan]

Is ur dad Paul Daughtery or something!!??:D

If he is Andy Fuhrman, tell him we 700 wlw listeners miss him

[Son of Liberty]

Is ur dad Paul Daughtery or something!!??:D

No Mark Curnutte, check the Cincinnati Enquirer and read his stuff! He's broken way more stories than Doc can ever hope to cover in his entire career! HE's got nothing on my Pop. Believe me, I get the scoop even before the Paper does ;)
A little off topic, But anyway, now that we've gotten this all off our chests, I second Francois's idea, let's close this Thread, it's useless, we all know that the Bengals will all be in Jail within the next few years, find a better Football team to Idolize and let's move on.

[Ultra]

Since I work in craphole bars in Huntington all I have to say is the L.E.O.'s of this area don't take crap from anyone, rich or poor.We have a violent drug scene down here that always finds it's way into our clubs and bars, when the Police respond to something like this they don't have time to seperate who famous and who isn't. Our local football team has found out the hard way over the years lol.

[yea_right]

you know that the Navy wants to add 500 more SEALs. They are paying $125,000 as a bonus for former SEALs to re-enlist. Makes me wish I went into the Navy instead of the Army. I am only getting $7500 to re-enlist!