The Best Back-up Pistol

[Webtek]

I have a APS2 sniper rifle, but I wanted to get a GBB for CQB and other things. I am looking at the KJW M9 series, the Mauri MK23 NBB, and maybe the KSC Glock 17. Keep in mind that this is my first gas pistol so the Glock 18C would probably not be the best choice due to the complexity and maintanance required. What pistols do you guys suggest?

[Nitrous]

Well, seeing as how you do not want to deal with the Glock 18c, I would have to recommend to you the KJW M9. Either the plastic or the full-metal, as both are excellent, reliable, and powerful backup weapons. I myself own the plastic version, and it is 2 and 1/2 years old, with no problems other than the slide catch wearing down (normal). Good Luck!

[Aragorn]

Dont waste money on a KJW M9, Get a G19 at www.airsoftgi.com.

[Agent 47]

Id say any of Tokyo Maurai's EBB's, or Mini AEG's. They shoot stock at 800 fps! and have a rof of 900 RPS!



j/k







Id say honestly, you cant go wrong with a good western arms M1911A1 model...

[Nitrous]

Dont waste money on a KJW M9, Get a G19 at www.airsoftgi.com.

Would you please care to explain how a KJW M9 would be a waste of his money? The KJW M9 is considered one of the most skirmishable GBBs available on the market...

[koft]

Nitrous, I am, and have always had great things to say about the KJW M9 (especially when it can be had for as little as 63!)

However, what Aragorn is saying that if you can spare the extra 30 or 40 dollars, by all means, get the KWA G19, one of the, if not the, best starter (as well as just overall =) gas guns, especially for its bargain price. Its on sale for 105 (110 normally) at the site he listed.

What you are getting with the KWA is a much better built gun, the internals won't seem as cheap. The slide and outer barrel come metal, and you get a very nice frame.

While the KJW is good, the KWA is better =)

(and perhaps if you want something for the long run, the KWA may be better. There is an abundence of aftermarket parts as well as a HUGE player base that owns the gun..)

[Cobalt-Blue]

kjw m9 series= excellent. was my first, and it's still kickin ***

G19 is also very cool, I've used it a lot, my roomie has it. Arguably the same, both have aftermarket parts available, both shoot hard and fast, the M9 has less audible bite- youwill hear both about 50 feet away but the G19 is LOUD both in terms of amplitude (volume) and freqeuncy- the G19's pitch travels and it easily identifiable.

said this before a million times :) if you want SILENT, the TM mk23 SOCOM is the way to go- and it is an EXCELLENT snipers backup which I find to be a superior gun over both the kjw m9s and the g19s in terms of usable range.

[Webtek]

The KJW is about $100 too isn't it? I dont want the full metal deluxe version. I do like the Mk23, but I have heard it is too big to carry as a back-up along with a sniper rifle. Is this true? Also, is the Mk23 easier to maintain than the KJW M9 or the Glock 17/19? I think I am either going to get the KJW M9 from Airsoft Atlanta (http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/gas.htm) or the Mk23. Does anyone know a good site with a good price for the Mk23 NBB in the USA? Keep the oppinions coming...

[Silent_Jack]

Id say any of Tokyo Maurai's EBB's, or Mini AEG's. They shoot stock at 800 fps! and have a rof of 900 RPS!

I swear thats a million miles from the truth!

[Agent 47]

dude, it was a joke, hence the "J/k" at the end there ;)

[Aragorn]

Originally posted by Nitrous
Would you please care to explain how a KJW M9 would be a waste of his money? The KJW M9 is considered one of the most skirmishable GBBs available on the market...


True but still Ive heard quite a few horror stories of the M9 breaking whilst Ive heard none about the G19. In the long run the G19 will be better.

[Decep]

I'd say the KWA G19 would be more durable than the KJW, since it comes with a metal slide, barrel (some people's m9 barrels crack). THe internals are mostly (all?) metal as well.

[Silent_Jack]

dude, it was a joke, hence the "J/k" at the end there

You know, i never even knew what that j/k meant :D

[ArmyHummer]

Being my first post ever dealing wiht GBB's, I myself as well am starting to get involved with items such as pistols, and I am almost set on one. I am down to the KJW M9 FMV, or the KJW Glock 23 FMV. FMV = Full metal version. Full metal allows use of 22 gas instead of 134a, which is much better and suits all of my needs and wants out of a pistol.

The Glock runs at combat depot 117 dollars without tax
The M9 runs at 145

Another option if you didnt like those was to go with the GLock 27 by KJW in its full metal version, as it has the same internals as the Glock 23 does. But COmbatDepot does not offer it, you would need to ask them to order one from WGC.

I cannot comment about comparison, but in my view, and many that I have talked to, you can't beat for what IM looking for, simply an average gun with no upgrades needed to take 22-or top gas - straight out of the box and be happy with something above 300 FPS. I really though am just settling down between my two choices because of this, and this review which can be found at:
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/beta/html/nukebrowser.php?filnavn=reviews/kjw_g27/kjw_g27_review.htm

At the bottom it states how the 23 has same internals as the 27, so only outside frame is different. As for the M9, I havent read much, but only gone through enough information to know it is worthy just as the 23 is for me.

[Nitrous]

I am down to the KJW M9 FMV, or the KJW Glock 23 FMV. FMV = Full metal version. Full metal allows use of 22 gas instead of 134a, which is much better and suits all of my needs and wants out of a pistol.

Actually, ArmyHummer, all KJW guns are designed to be used with only HFC22, as 134a will not even properly cycle the slide... Yes, this is true, even for the plastic version, which I own. I have, just for fun, tried to use 134a in my gun, and it blows back about as hard as an EBB, while not even traveling back far enough to chamber the next round...

Basically, the FMV and "Regular" versions of the M9 are the same performance-wise, are made to run on HFC22, and are both excellent guns...

I would strongly recommend the "Regular" version, and it can be had for as little as $89.99 at www.airsoftarms.com.

Good Luck!

[Fox]

Tex... I hate to disagree with you about the Mk.23...


I own a KSC Mk.23 Hard kick Version, and I have to basiclly clean that thing before i skirmish with it, and after I do. Its a very sensitive gun, but it works very well. Also, it is way too big. Compaired to a Desert Eagle, it is the same size, but a little bit wider. Its a great gun, but defiently not a newbie gun like the KJW series. Especially for dumping 200$ for the gun, and another 70$ on a holster. Thats 270$ + Tax + shipping, you have 300$ wrapped up into a side arm.

If your talking about the TM NBB Mk.23... Well its a decent newbie gun. It wont have any of the parts that break on the KSC version (I will soon have to spend another 200 +$ and replace all the internals, trigger, and slide, especially if i ever use HFC 22 in it)

I've never head of it breaking or any thing... so if you want a mk.23 with out investing 500$ on a GBB one, get the NBB. And get the Black hawk or Eagle thigh holster. Both run between 60 and 70$


And nitrious, We've gotten into this before... but in the KJW USP HFC134a works fine in. At least my experinces with it, even in cold weather too.

And if you want to be even more safe (With a KJW gun) you might want to try the new ABBY super gas.. Its a little less powerful then HFC 22 but more so then HFC134a.

[Ganner]

wheres DumboRat when we need him? :)

[Fox]

tex, i did not mean in hand/comfort size... I ment in physical size, it takes a lot of room up on a thigh, or a chest rig, etc... some times it gets on comfortable, etc.. while wearing, not using.

[snowman]

People always say the Mk23 is too big and it is a big gun, but whereas I found the Desert Eagle, with it's very upright and long (front to back)grip, a pain to handle, I like the Mk23's feel very much (I have a TM one - so it's too light, but that's not an issue with the KSC).

If you like the look of the Mk23 try and get to handle one. The important thing isn't how big it is, but how comfortable YOU are with it. Big or small handed, you may find you love or hate it, but you'll not know unless you try one.

If you can't get to a dealer with one or a skirmish site where someone has one, why not buy the TM springer and then sell it on eBay (chances are you'll get 95% of your money back, at least!)?

Personally, I'd get a KSC Beretta - An M93R II would be a great choice :)

Cheers.

[Silent_Jack]

I love big pistols. Especially the 8'' Raging Bull and MK23. I like smaller ones too like the shorty .40 but you can always get the most satisfaction from a 'killing spree' when its with a big pistol (or 2 :cool: )!

[Cobalt-Blue]

regarding the mk23 SOCOM's durability-
it;s made of resin plastic- it's tough and has been dropped a few times, but I wouldn't FALL on it :)

I've shot maybe 8-9000 rds through it, and it only needs a bit of lube in the nozzle and to clean the barrel, which I do after every use anyway. It fieldstrips into 3 sturdy and distinct pieces, all of which are easy to assemble and disassemble.

plastic KJW m9- shot maybe 10-11000 rds thru mine, still looks like new, shoots like new and cycles fine- with HFC-22, not with 134a in my experience.

the mk23 socom is well balanced and despite being an NBB it's trigger pull is not bad at all, but for a smaller grip the G19 or the M9 is much easier for all hands, plus as GBBs, they have the lightest, most realistic trigger pull. Regardless, I can get double and triple taps n 6-8 inch groupings regularly at 30 feet with the MK23, only slightly tighter groups on the double taps with the m9/G19

[snipe77]

I have a KJW M9, and, in my opinion, it operates well with the full metal upgrade, however, I would recommend using a metal barrel, while leaving the plastic slide on. I have my metal one on, and I am looking for a plastic one because the blowback sometimes won't kick far enough back to properly load the next round. (Using tiawenese green gas) This is only my experience, and I would be very happy to hear anyone elses opinion on this topic of metal vs. plastic slides.

[Shifty]

I know you said you wanted a Glock, Beretta, or Mk23, but if you have the time and patience, I would recommend that you go for something like a WA 1911a1 or an Infinity. Sure, they are a little pricy, but for the most part they are reliable guns, and they keep most of their value if you decide to sell it(which you can't say for the Beretta, or Glock series guns).

Ok, onto the aforementioned choices: I personally have owned a KSC Glock 18c which in essence is a full-auto version of the Glock 17. The only problems I ever encountered had to do with the full-auto mechanism, the little knob falling off and what not; and the sights(front and rear) have a tendancy to fall off when the gun is holstered and removed a bunch.

I have no experiance with the M9 series, but i've heard that the Marui and KSC M9s were supposed to be the best in class(aside from the WA "Perfect" version), but again, this is all speculation.

Onto the Mk23. I have owned the KSC Mk23 HWHK version and I currently own a TM Mk23 full set. Foxtrot was correct in saying that the KSC Mk23 is a money pit, plain and simple. The other thing about the KSC version was that they reproduced HKs "recoil reduction system" and actually put it into the gun, which makes the blowback feel rather pathetic, next to a Glock, or WA gun. The TM Mk23 is probably the best deal on any gun you'll ever find new. For a mere $135 you get a gun, silencer, carrying case, and a LAM(which I will admit, is completely useless, other than to look cool). The downfalls of all of the Mk23s are that holsters for them usually have to be ordered, not many places keep them in stock; and the shear size of the gun. There few places that sell holsters that can actually carry the Mk23 with it's LAM attached, the only one i've been able to locate is the KSC Mk23 SOCOM holster, which is a replica of the Knights holster, and these are a giant pain in the butt to get ahold of. The TM version is pretty cool in that the silencer actually does muffle the sound of the gun quiet a bit.

If you are interested, I have a practically NIB Mk23 i'll sell ya for cheap.(and I know that comment just made the entire post seem biased, but trust me, that is my honest opinion).

[Webtek]

That sounds great cause I am leaning towards the TM Mk23. Contact me at Commando23@hotmail.com and we can work out a deal. Please tell me what price range you are looking for, and what condition the gun is in. Thanks

[Serpent]

Since When? I mean I have an M24 I love it to death, it's my primary, for a side arm I carry an upgraded TM MP5 A5 and I'm pretty sure that's a lot bigger than a Mk23. then in the bag I got a TMP, and holstered I have a USP Tac. Yeah I know walking Armory but it all works for me most of the time TMP is down right now stupid parts problem.... But I never knew the KSC Mk23's were a money pit :mad: I wanted one of those for a long long time. But that's my two cents. It's really up to you my next pistol will probably be a KJW M9 full metal or a tinkered with TM M9 Military for a few reasons. The KJW because I ave nothing but praise for the KJW Company, it's a full metal gun, stuff for it is fairly common, I like the sights on the M9's better than the ones on my USP (personal preference on that), and it uses HFC 22 out of the box with decent accuracy. The TM M9 because I got the dough to throw around for a good GBB, Upgrades for it aren't that hard to find, again plenty of stuff, I've handled the TM TacMaster before and liked it as well..... Again sidearm choice is up to the user Some like big some like small and apparently there's a little NBB out there somewhere that shoots about 400FPS that I'm looking for. Well Good luck and for those of you out there that don't beleive I carry a ton of weapons into the field and have the system work, you've probably never met me before. But it's true you can carry the same ammount of crap as you can in Delta Force Lang Warrior (Just kidding an AT-4 and extra rockets on top of all that is just to un feasible), Happy Hunting.

[Newb101]

Glock 17 is my baby. Small enough to be covered by a folded
washrag. (was messing around cleaning and noticed this.) Rail
for lights, lasers, accessories, etc. And since the stock KSC model
comes with a plastic slide, which looks incredibly real mind you, means
that it can run off duster, $5 a can instead of the $10 and such for green
gas. Yea I am a nitpicker, but it all adds up.

Its decently accurate with .25s and a clean barrel. Up to that of
my MP5-SD5 which suprised me. (Maybe I got a good one?)

The only downside is its a bit finicky compared to my USP. It needs
frequent lubing of the slide rails to cycle properly. As my USP went
4 months without lube before it malfunctioned. And this was the mag
that gave out, not the gun. I find myself lubing the gun every week.

Maybe I am just used to the USP...

But still over-all great gun, it gets my personal vote for beginner GBB.

[phentente]

Hi People,
Me and my friends were debating which was the best overall pistol among us (guns we have). Our choice was without a doubt the KSC G18c. The combination of full auto, solid construction, very good performance and general coolness guaranteed its place at the top. And we considered KSC M93R, Marui G26 and M92F just to name a few.

While not fully automatic, my marui M92f has faithfully served me since I started playing airsoft almost a year ago (my very first gun). It can reliably take both 134a and Green gas, was very cheap to buy new and is a simple solid performer (though it sounds much cooler and gets much better performance when using green gas). The best gun for the money period.

Later,
Phentente aka Cerebral Bore