Possible loadout

[Mullet]

I've been wanting to get some nice airsoft gear for a while, but Boogaloo at Fran Bar got me really pumped up and wanting it even more. I've been looking into/researching various choices for a while now and I've got a pretty good idea of what I'd like to have.

Cheaperthandirt MOLLE plate carrier- $50
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE134-44930-1977.html

Cheaperthandirt Triple Mag open top MOLLE pouch x2 - $24
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE129-48047-1975.html

Specter Utility MOLLE Pouch - $29.95
http://www.spectergear.com/gpmh.htm

Tru-Spec TRU in Woodland - $80 for a set + $15 for a hat
Would rather have MARPAT if someone has suggestions for non cotton ripstop types or better that don't cost an arm and a leg.
http://uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=10434&TabID=1&CatID=5230

Or I get a friend to buy me some authentic MARPAT at the PX for ~$100.

Specter Last Resort Belt - $25
http://www.spectergear.com/lrb.htm

Operator CQB Gloves - $45
Not immediately, but somewhere down the line I'd like these.
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productid=8038&TabID=1&CatID=24

ESS Land Ops Goggle - $60
http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=7081&TabID=1&CatID=4

Wellco ICB Boots - $100
I figure you need your feet to get where you want to go and you won't be much use if you're impeded by your footwear. Not sure if these particular ones are desirable. I've looked at a few different ones but I like the look and the build of these. The price is alright.
http://www.wellco.com/html/icbtmw.html

Classic Army M15A4 - $310 + however much for battery and charger. I'll figure that out later. Might need help finding info on that.

I like long guns and I like M16s. Perfect.
http://www.airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=6914&search=Classic+Army+M15A4

MAG 100 round mid-cap magazines - $57.99 8x boxed
I hate hi-caps.
http://www.airsoftsmith.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=25_40_62&products_id=651

I'll try to get everything I can in Olive Drab if I can manage it. I'm going for a Marine-ish look and I know that Coyote Brown is the standard color for Marine gear, but Coyote doesn't really work as well in temperate climates as well as in the desert. I have been looking for woodland utility pouches though.

That or I'll get the vest in tan and pouches in olive drab.

~$800 total

This is mostly to get me started. I know there's more I could use but I can't afford a whole lot right away, especially considering all this is as expensive as it is.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :cool:

[Noel911]

This is a pretty good set up, but it could use some tweaking. First, propper just came out with a teflon coated MARPAT. It is modeled after ACU shape, but the pattern is MARPAT(I was wearing them at boogaloo) I have washed them twice and they look brand new.
second- your vest loadout could be cheaper, here is almost the exact same thing only it comes with more pouches, and it is cheaper:http://airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=7548

third-I would go with a heavier boot for Ohio. I have a pair of bates boots, and they are very warm in the winter, and airflow is nice in the summer: http://airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=7548

lastly-you can get more mags that hold about the same amount for cheaper. I bought the MAG brand mags, and they are very nice for the price, but they are however plastic, but not like STAR mag plastic, these are relatively "heavy": http://airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=7824&search=MAG+M16+100+round

Hope this helps, and you should choose you gear based on personal preference, I am just giving a few suggestions ;) .

[Mullet]

Dangit. Got my links mixed up. Fixed now.

This is a pretty good set up, but it could use some tweaking. First, propper just came out with a teflon coated MARPAT. It is modeled after ACU shape, but the pattern is MARPAT(I was wearing them at boogaloo) I have washed them twice and they look brand new.

Sounds perfect. Where did you get 'em? How much?

third-I would go with a heavier boot for Ohio. I have a pair of bates boots, and they are very warm in the winter, and airflow is nice in the summer: http://airsoftarms.com/viewproductd...php?ProdID=7548

Looks like you got your link messed up. What boots are they?

I was thinking about these Bates boots as I heard they work well in temperate weather, and they're also really frigging lightweight. They're also really frigging expensive.

http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=8305&TabID=1&CatID=84

Hope this helps, and you should choose you gear based on personal preference, I am just giving a few suggestions

Yup. Thanks for that.

I like the vest and the mags I picked out. I know I could get cheaper stuff but that would affect the quality and I would end up getting something I don't want.

Though those Cheaperthandirt pouches look pretty nice for starting out. Can't beat $10 for a triple mag pouch. Thanks Evil.

I figure if I had a Classic Army that was full metal I might as well have metal magazines to go with. Would probably sound cooler when you reload anyways. :p

/e

What kind of battery and charger would be best for the gun I'm looking to get? Effective but not overly expensive.

[Big Clips]

lay bait - check
sniper vail - check
scope sighted in - check
round locked - check
waiting for Blareny to show - not check

[Mullet]

Originally posted by Big Clips
lay bait - check
sniper vail - check
scope sighted in - check
round locked - check
waiting for Blareny to show - not check

What huh what awhat?

[Thatfatmacdude]

That's a reference to Blarney, who was a geardo that joined the forum a while back.

[Miku]

I can't tell from the site, but are the goggles ANSI 87.1 1989 rated?

It didn't seem so from the site so I was just checking, and since a bunch of your links are to USCAV, I have a question for you. Do you HAVE to be in some sort of military/police force to order from them?

[Mullet]

I can't tell from the site, but are the goggles ANSI 87.1 1989 rated?

I'd be surprised if they weren't.

Those may not be the actual goggles my friend has. I can't remember which ones they are.

I have a question for you. Do you HAVE to be in some sort of military/police force to order from them?

I haven't ordered anything from them yet but I'm almost positive that it doesn't matter.

[Miku]

Originally posted by Disciple
I haven't ordered anything from them yet but I'm almost positive that it doesn't matter.

Well if you don't mind, when you find out, let me know.

[Evil Head]

according to OpticsPlanet:
"Each lens is made from pure shatterproof selenite polycarbonate and far exceed ANSI Z87.1 safety and ANSI Z80.3 optical standards"

Does that help.

[Miku]

Sounds like a little overkill, which is a definate plus :D .

And have you ever ordered from USCAV?

[Mullet]

Updated list with suggestions from here and MilitaryPhotos forums.

[Noel911]

USCAV does ship to civilians, I have ordered from there and their service and speed were very nice. the MARPAT I got at that website I linked to, only I went to the store to buy them because I only live 5 min. away from it.
these are the boots: http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=9035&TabID=1&CatID=
the color on the website is messed up, they are darker in person, and they are tan not gray.
EDIT: if you are looking for light weight boots, DO NOT BUY THE MARINE BOOTS! Xenos Elite(kid with saw at boogaloo) has them and they are freakin heavy. the M-9 boots are very light weight and very comfortable.

[sanitygone]

You can also try www.rangerjoes.com (http://www.rangerjoes.com). I have ordered boots, goggles, and even one of my vests from them. Also my friend which is currently enlisted in the army and is in Iraq, gets most of his equipment from there. he has gotten his vests boots glasses, bandanas, etc. so you could also try them. They are a fast shipper, and very reliable.

[Kurt Klaus]

Have you ever thought about these?

Mil-Spec MOLLE Vest:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE434-41864-1977.html

Mil-Spec Plate Carrier:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE134-44930-1977.html

Suprisingly, the plate carrier is superb and rated very high amongst many airsoft players who own one. This has more ability to adapt as the zipper is not existant (therefore more room in the center for pouches), has internal pouches to the sides for mags and can accept plates (for realism if you want to just stick in thick cardboard).

As for pouches:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE327-41860-1975.html
Get two of those if you like to fit across the front.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE450-41869-1975.html
A dump pouch you can mount to one of the sides.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE436-41866-1978.html
A GP pouch to the side to hold BBs, batteries, etc.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE453-41871-1978.html
Can be a substitue for an upright GP pouch.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE456-41849-1978.html
For hydration...

If you want name brand stuff:

www.optactical.com

You can find everything you may ever need.

Also, Brigade Quatermasters updated their website to include back the TRU 50/50 NYCO. With USCAV POLYCO, you risk fading and ripping:

Jacket (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=20639&M5COPY%2Ectx=29430&M5%2Ectx=29430&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=BDU%20%2D%20Uniforms&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=TRU02&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)
Pant (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=32197&M5COPY%2Ectx=29427&M5%2Ectx=29427&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=BDU%20%2D%20Uniforms&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=T%2AR%2AU&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)

[Mullet]

That plate carrier looks pretty interesting. Wouldn't it be a lot more cumbersome (even without plates) than the Opsgear vest? That and the quality of the vest itself.

I'm not quite sure anymore. I could go either way.

As for pouches, I now realize it would be smarter and more cost effective if I'm looking to get the box of 8 MAG mid-caps to just buy two triple-pouch open top MOLLE pouches from cheaperthandirt and stack them. A lot more carry capacity for ten bucks less.

[Evil Head]

Wait a minute, didn't I suggest that site and you poo pooed it? Why are you worried about quality? I have some of their stuff and it holds up with the expensive crap. Don't think that if it cost a lot, it must be good.

[Noel911]

Originally posted by Evil Head
Don't think that if it cost a lot, it must be good.
but isn't that usually the case, at least with known brands such as BHI and Eagle Industries? I mean you are getting a life time warranty, so that is a major plus.

[Evil Head]

Yeah warrantee is good, but I believe his original post stated getting started on a budget. I was trying to help. If you have the money... go for broke spend away. Gear does not a player make.

[Noel911]

Originally posted by Evil Head
Yeah warrantee is good, but I believe his original post stated getting started on a budget. I was trying to help. If you have the money... go for broke spend away. Gear does not a player make.
that is true, he was on a budget. I am not saying that the gear makes the player, but it helps a little bit.

[Evil Head]

Still missing... what is wrong with the gear I and Kurt suggested for him?
Is it that it does not have a warentee? Please enlighten us.

[Noel911]

Are you wanting me to enlighten? because I totaly agree with you and kurt, CTD gear is fine, I have nothing against it.I was just saying that the expensive gear is nice because it is backed up by a lifetime warranty, so if anything ever does happen, it will be replaced(most of the time). the good thing about CDT is that if it ever does fail, it is so cheap it isn't hard to replace.

[Mullet]

Originally posted by Evil Head
Wait a minute, didn't I suggest that site and you poo pooed it? Why are you worried about quality? I have some of their stuff and it holds up with the expensive crap. Don't think that if it cost a lot, it must be good.

I guess I did and I still am. I'm just thinking about it more than I did earlier. I'm still a bit skeptical.

Maybe it's that your avatar is so threatening. :p

Yeah warrantee is good, but I believe his original post stated getting started on a budget. I was trying to help. If you have the money... go for broke spend away. Gear does not a player make.

Indeed.

On one hand I just wanna get some basic stuff to get me started, but on the other hand I have a good idea of what is really good and want to only have to spend my money once rather than having to replace stuff that fails on me.

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of cash so I can't be too spendy. I also don't want to be the noob player who has a lots of good gear but no skills to back it up.

Still missing... what is wrong with the gear I and Kurt suggested for him?
Is it that it does not have a warentee? Please enlighten us.

I know you're mostly talking to Noel, but personally I just want to be wary of lemons. If you guys have experience with it and the stuff works that's good enough for me.

[Kurt Klaus]

The main reason why these non-name brand items are not so expensive is because they do not support a warrenty or have a # in which you can call if something goes to ****. Quality is a second factor but they are durable enough to handle airsoft np.

If a tight budget is hampering you, may I suggest rather than Hatch's Operator Gloves, Nomex Flight/Tactical Gloves. Inexpensive ($25.00ish) and widely popular with American fighting force (Specs-Ops, etc) and made in the USA.

Nomex Gloves (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=26529&M5COPY%2Ectx=7890&M5%2Ectx=7890&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Gloves%20%2D%20Nomex%AE%2C%20Unifo rm%2C%20Rappelling&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=Nomex&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)

Specter LRBs are good and all, but IMO, BHI Riggers Belts are better rated.

BHI Rigger Belt (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=10123&M5COPY%2Ectx=24721&M5%2Ectx=3585&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Rappelling%20%2D%20Carabiners%2C%2 0Hardware%20%26%20Accessories&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=Rigger%20Belt&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)

As for boots. If you want Mil-Issued/Contracted boots (for Woodland), my top three picks would be Altama, Magnum (Hi-Tech) and Bellville. Like I said, if money is a factor:

Altama Vulcanized (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=31974&pagenumber%2Eptx=1&M5COPY%2Ectx=8162&M5%2Ectx=3159&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Boots%20%2D%20Military%20Issue&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=Altama&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)
Altama Jungle Boots (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4s.tam?xax=19124&pagenumber%2Eptx=1&M5COPY%2Ectx=8435&M5%2Ectx=3159&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Boots%20%2D%20Military%20Issue&level3%2Ectx=results%2Etam&query%2Ectx=Altama&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Fresults%2Etam)

If you also havent noticed I am suggesting items from the same (reputable) retailers. This way you do not spend so much on shipping from half dozen retailers. Also, when you order from BQM, they more than likey will send you a discount coupon if you come back to buy from them. My last order I recieved a %10 coupon and used it right away on my Truspec TRU DCUs.

Lastly, be carful with Wiley X's, especially with ethe XL and SG 1s. They fog like mad.

Overall, with the suggesttions we have offered, potentially we may have saved %50 of what your original budget was limited to.

[Evil Head]

I will endorse the Cheaper than dirt pouches If that helps. I have some of them and they will in my opinion hold up.

[Noel911]

Kurt, your links aren't working.

[Mullet]

If a tight budget is hampering you, may I suggest rather than Hatch's Operator Gloves, Nomex Flight/Tactical Gloves. Inexpensive ($25.00ish) and widely popular with American fighting force (Specs-Ops, etc) and made in the USA.

I was thinking of just leaving gloves out until later on. I'll just get some cheap gloves from Wal-Mart to use when it's cold until I'm ready to get some good ones like the Nomex or Hatch gloves.

As for boots. If you want Mil-Issued/Contracted boots (for Woodland), my top three picks would be Altama, Magnum (Hi-Tech) and Bellville. Like I said, if money is a factor:

I've heard alot of bad things about Magnum boots and them falling apart very quickly.

[browning]

Disciple, what exactly is your budget for your gear setup (minus boots, BDUs, gun)? I have something in mind ;).

[Mullet]

For load bearing gear?

I only want to spend $100-$150 max starting out. Including vest and pouches. Reall all I'm wanting to start out with is the vest, ammo pouches, a utility pouch, and maybe a dump pouch (belt or MOLLE).

/e

What goggles would you recommend for $60 or less if the ones I was looking at fog up badly?

[Noel911]

ESS landops googles are great, I have them and they aren't to bad when it comes to fogging.

[browning]

Originally posted by Disciple
For load bearing gear?

I only want to spend $100-$150 max starting out. Including vest and pouches. Reall all I'm wanting to start out with is the vest, ammo pouches, a utility pouch, and maybe a dump pouch (belt or MOLLE).


Ah ok, then my idea isn't going to work.

[airsoft1337]

I own quite a few items from cheaperthandirt. I just got my plate carrier for christmas (filled with cardboard cut outs)

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Neil1337/IMG_2235.jpg

I LOVE it, after using it, I know it is going to last me for a long while. I dove down onto rocks, among other things, while playing a few weeks back and the vest took it beautifully. Also on the page he brought up with the OD plate carrier, I am the airsoft/hobbyist in the reviews. ;)

2 thumbs up for the mil-spec stuff!

Neil

[Mullet]

Huge thanks for that, man. I think I will get that plate carrier now.

[Lone Gunman]

Well I use, or have used, Tactical Tailor, Blackhawk, HSGI, BDS, TAG, SDS, Spec Ops, Patriot performance, and Cheaper than dirt. My "ridiculous Rig" or poor mans DOVA, is A TT molle vest with almost all CTD pouches. They work just as good as some of the aforementioned pouches. I also have the plate carrier, which is my CQB rig. When I went to Irene 4 i purchased 3 of the double M4 pouches and the functioned flawlessly. Plus allot of us on 6MM Militia are using the CTD vests and pouches. So if you are on a budget then the CTD stuff will work for ya.

Rack Em

Lone Gunman

[Gumbizzle]

Not to hi-jack the thread, but I'm looking into getting my Rig/rack/gear too.

browning, could you PM me or post it on this thread of what you're idea was? Just would like to see another idea.

Now no one hang me because it's Ebay. I know the Downfalls of Ebay, read the airsoft horror stories about it. But I found this on there, I dunno if it'd be a good vest of not, though I personally am leaning in the not direction, though never used it, so don't know....

Click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/CMU33-Vest-Survival-includes-molle-Pockets-sealed-new_W0QQitemZ150080771451QQihZ005QQcategoryZ36071Q QtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150080771451)

O and those mag pouches look like the mag would pop right out....(but again no experience with them)


Gum

[PvtPublic]

Originally posted by Disciple
For load bearing gear?

I only want to spend $100-$150 max starting out. Including vest and pouches. Reall all I'm wanting to start out with is the vest, ammo pouches, a utility pouch, and maybe a dump pouch (belt or MOLLE).


Don't forget, you may be able to find a Specialty Defense Systems Fighting Load Carrier or Super FLC on an auction site (all I see on eBay right now is ACU or Three-color) or forum where lots of gear hogs like us hang out, with plenty of pouches. It'll be lighter weight than the molle vests you've been looking at, and possibly cheaper.

The zipper in the middle of a vest should make no difference whatsoever, if you rig your pouches properly it'll never get in the way. I mean, I use an FLC like I just recommended, and the zipper's not gotten in the way of rigging a good load.

But, if all else fails, ignore us all, go with what you want. One of the few things Blarney said that rang true was "If it's comfortable and works, then go for it."

[D-Boy]

I have ran my magnums for 2 years and they are fine. As far as gear, most replica stuff never seems to hold up. Say what you want, but there is no replacement for the real thing. Also at a gun show, a buddy of mine picked up Marine issued ESS NVG profiles. I bought mine for $60 a while back, but he got his 6 for 5 dollars each. The only thing was they were caked in dust and were used. As far as gear, my entire team uses the HSGI Weesatch now (except for one as he runs the m60). That rig in, our opinion, is a great setup. If you are in the cincinnati area or going to the striker game coming up, just ask and you can try out it.

Thanks,
Jack

[browning]

Originally posted by Gumbizzle
browning, could you PM me or post it on this thread of what you're idea was? Just would like to see another idea.

HSGI Weesatch (Exactly as D-Boy speaks of...)

You've already got the magazine pouch (internal) built in, so no need to worry about going out and buying seperate magazine pouches. The internal magazine pouch holds eight mags, but you can fit ten if you use the two end pockets. The Weesatch also sports an internal utility pouch that you can put an assortment of things in, ranging from pens and knives to cold smokes. There's also plenty of real estate on the Weesatch since your magazine pouches are already built in. Basically all you need with the Weesatch is a couple of SAW or medical pouches to store extra ammo and supplies in and a hydration carrier.

Here's my current set up with my Weesatch:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/browningman/Guns%20and%20Gear/IMG_0177.jpg

HSGI Weesatch w/ HSGI Shoulder Pads (with 1" foam inserts to help it fill out)
TAG Hydration Carrier
TAG Medical Pouch
SDS Medical Pouch
SDS SAW Pouch (not visible, on the back)

Basically a simple loadout and it only cost ~$300 with all the pouches I had (Weesatch was $185 at OpTactial).

If you need more detailed pics just ask, I can take more ;).
Basically that's all I need

[Mullet]

That looks and sounds very nice, but of course not enough money. A possibility for the future though.

A bit further in the future than anticipated too. My computer (I'm on my mother's) just croaked last night and if I can't find a way to get it back to life again I'll end up spending the money meant for the airsoft loadout on a brand new computer. Not cool.

[Blarney]

lay bait - check
sniper vail - check
scope sighted in - check
round locked - check
waiting for Blareny to show - not check

****, I havent posted here in a while, and your still acting like a kid. I dont care what you people think, your pathetic in the way you act towards people. Get out of your elitist attitudes and grow up.

Id be extremely surprised if you could use a bolt action rifle, let alone be able to hide out of sight and then gun another human down because you dont think I own a .45 caliber pistol. If you really want those pics so bad, let me know.

The funniest thing is posting so much info, to which you ALL give me credit for (and even going so far as some mods wanting me to moderate as well), and then turning around and spouting off a bunch of redundant threats into something that you have absolutely NO involvement in, that are over a year old about a website that lays waste to people that play airsoft. You guys have horrible sense of judgement.:mad:

[output01x]

Blarney, I am going to be as honest with you as possible.

Does Big Clips have it out for you? Kinda yeah.
Does he take it too far? Possibly.
Why does he take it that far? Because he doesn't want you around Airsoft Ohio.
Why doesn't he want you here? Because being associated with you makes us look bad.
Why do we look bad because of you? Because you said some very ignorant and inappropriate things on LF.
So why do we stick up for this forum that lays waste to airsofters? Because like it or not, they have fought, suffered, and payed for the rights you take for granted. They don't single out airsofters in particular, they single out people that act tactical but are doing something stupid instead.

Remember that airsoft is a game where we imitate real operators. And as we all know, imitation is the highest form of flattery. So as an airsofter, you should have more respect for those that fight for our country, including those on LF. Therefore, your lack of respect for our soldiers causes individuals like Big Clips and myself to have a lack of respect for you.

[Blarney]

I think its horrible how you think that one person, who hardly posts here, and has contributed a lot of positive things to this forum makes you look bad in front of a bunch of people that refuse to accept you.

Im joining up too, doing my part. How dare you tell me I dont respect the soldiers. I cant believe you can even think you have the gaull to say something like that too me, you have no idea what I do for those that served. Have you ever volunteered at a Veterans home? I think not. Have you ever donated to soldiers abroad, even those you dont know? I doubt it. I contribute a lot to those overseas, and right now 3 of my best friends are going to be going over there while I do ROTC along with another friend of mine. Respect is something I have a lot of for the military, and because of what happened on LF, FROM OVER A YEAR AGO, you people continue to spout off nonsense to my face. I NEVER IMITATE the real guys, I airsoft, simple as that. You may think what you want, I mean seeing as how its been a year now and Haji thinks the whole thing is overblown, I can safely tell you Ill be doing what many of the people here havent, Joining up.

You guys have NO INVOLVEMENT, NONE WHATSOEVER in the affairs at LF, NOR WILL ANY OF YOU REALIZE WHAT TRANSPIRED. Leave your reservations to yourself, they hold no water.

I refuse to speak publicly anymore about this petty subject, PM inbound to Big Clips, Loki and output01x.

[browning]

And why did you just ruin this perfectly easy-going thread with all of this fighting nonsense? Get a room you two.

[Blarney]

I apologize, but some comments made by certain member were unwarranted. I have PMed those involved and request that this nonsense be removed.

[theblackfox]

Browning step off. You wanna make the thread better then post something on topic.

Output, Good action.

BC, As always good hunting see you friday.

Blarney why do you even post here? Maschostic much?

[Blarney]

perhaps I should PM you as well.

[fststang65]

i order alot of my stuff from navyseals.com they are pretty good on prices and good service.

[Big Clips]

Look champ,

I still havent seen these pics that you were so excited about sending me and proving me wrong. So, dont say Im full of it, until you prove me wrong, something you still have yet to do.

Youre a bad vibe man. You lie and lie and lie, and then when caught in the act, say things like we dont know what we are talking about. I was on lightfighter, I dont post because Im not a moron.

I think you should put a cork in it and stop trying to play diplomat because youre sounding as if you are some responsible person who needs a lifetime movie made about them, and not the lying sack of dung that tells everyone how awesome you are.

And what is this PM nonsense? Army grunts dont have the option of going to Xavier to promote a "legacy". Dont send me anymore PMs with your life story, because Im not intrested.

You lost weight too eh? Hopefully it was from a labotomy.

[Blarney]

you truly are pathetic, you really are. My god, you are really a pathetic weak minded individual. Expect those pics shortly, I cant believe you cant tell from those pics just goes to show your too much an airsofter to see anything. And when youve proved me wrong, you can start talking with your interent penis, but for now, your just rattling sabres, because you have no idea whats going on.

Im being a diplomat because I am not some kid you make me out to be, on the contrary Im probably smarter, more involved in the community and a rather all around good guy in the faces of most people I make, you see, your problem is that your putting LF on a pedastel. You make them out to be the gods of all things military. They represent a small amount of individuals that jack around all day on the forums and post new guns since they arent in the military anymore. The constantly bash those they find to be odd in their eyes, and they make fun of anyone holding a plasticdeath rifle. Your favoring those that would just as soon as favor you as they would eat cow dung.

Get a reality check Big Clips, your worshipping those that hate you, and they, for the most part, remain to be a bunch of bigots.

You have a lot to grow up about, and you need to get your priorities straight. Big Clips, grow the **** up and act like someone whos worth something, because all your doing right now is slapping your e-penis around, and making yourself look like an *******. May god have mercy on your soul, I hope your not like this off the websites, for if you are, Seek help Immediatly.

For the rest of you, I have no qualms, nor have I done anything wrong in the least bit on these forums. You can all be the judges, but these "senior" members believe that they have something to do with past incidents from a year ago, that in no way involved them in the least bit. They are acting like children.

[Kurt Klaus]

You have to be kidding me Blarney. Of off all the posts you have created, over half you have either started an argument, insulted them or disapproved of someone elses methods and gave them an order rather than a suggestion (buy this, buy that, dont get that it sucks). Just in the past few days you have posted nothing but negative posts, suggestions and/or info. Have you contributed to this thread? These posts are no better, you could have decided to take this via PM with people, but no instead you went with an outright public incident. And you wonder why we state these things? You wonder why the title you have is more of a mockery?

You have come off to be the biggest wannabe think you know it all type, and it all started with those three gear threads (which was proabably the only good thing you contributed and the only reason you got a high rating in the first place) and your complaits and issues of other and bring your personal issues here. You have issues with seniors members? I hope that you get your act together before you get yourself in bigger mess.

Back on topic. Disciple, how is that new rig going?

[theblackfox]

I am an attention whore who is beggin to be beaten and permbanned from this place.



http://sts.synflood.de/dump/fun/stfu.gif

[Blarney]

Look at yourselves, your acting like pricks, completely proving my point. Your unprovoked posting is pathetic. You caused these problems, not I.

[theblackfox]

http://sts.synflood.de/dump/fun/yousuckatinternetgrasshopper_002.jpg

[Big Clips]

ROFL!

Blarney, you reopened this thing. As far as I know it is dead.

Send me pics, dont send me pics, it wont change the fact youre still a loser.

[Blarney]

Big Clips, you posted the original message, Im not taking such bull****. Heres a pic youll enjoy Im sure.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/Blarney8519/n1195200249_30095831_7647.jpg
Bushmaster Carbon 15. Look at the barrel length, 16 inches of RS Big Clips. You got anything else to say?

[theblackfox]

LOL wtf does that prove? Looks like some gear queer trying to be cool with his airsoft gun. So even if BC has nothing else to say. I do..wanna know what it is?

http://sts.synflood.de/dump/fun/yodastfu_002.jpg

[Blarney]

airsoft gun? nah. Heres some better proof.
http://photos-825.ak.facebook.com/ip005/v22/174/83/1195200249/n1195200249_30095825_4379.jpg
notice the smoke clouds will you?

and heres a pic of the gun close up, held up by a friend of mine:
http://photos-832.ak.facebook.com/ip005/v22/174/83/1195200249/n1195200249_30095832_8166.jpg
notice the bolt, and the length of the mag, longer than a PD gun's

and a better pic shows the 16 inch barrel and real trades, this is a seperate gun though:
http://photos-913.ak.facebook.com/ip005/v22/174/83/1195200249/n1195200249_30095913_1775.jpg
notice the burnt ground around the muzzle

[theblackfox]

uhhh they sell cold smoke grenade for like $10 a pop, and they sell fused smoke grenades for $5 for 10 at the fireworks store.

[Blarney]

hell, why not, Ill even post the prison in question:
http://photos-574.ak.facebook.com/ip006/v34/174/83/1195200249/n1195200249_30137574_4166.jpg
that fat person holding the camera, me.

HOW CAN YOU BE THIS BLUNT TO NOT ACCEPT THE FACTS, ON CAMERA?

I want you to show me a smoke grenade that gives off such little amounts of smoke, from the muzzle of a gun.

[theblackfox]

http://www.hfstival.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10148/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg



lol so? what does this prove kid? you stole some pictures of some people shooting some guns? Why don't you just shut your computer off and go clean your .45. You are proving nothing right now but how much of a punk you are. stop trying to fit in, no one cares, you're doing nothing for me at all. When I drive to class in the morning in my moms 95 caravan I'm more highspeed then you.

For the love of god and all things holy please go the **** away.

[Blarney]

Hahaha, my god your just hilarious now. Those pics are mine, those places and guns I am tangilby there and I find your lack of, well, common sense to be sad. The way you are acting currently proves that you have some issues on maturity, look at yourself for a minute. You senselessly bash because you cannot accept fact. Your continued presence in this thread shows that you care, and you want to try and retain some ground that you are losing, quickly. Stop lying to yourself.

You constantly deny the proof, all of you 08th people do, and no matter what proof I give, what I say, you cannot listen to hard facts. Youre like the Israelites not listening to Jeremiah, you just dont get it. Your constant ragging, your bickering, your inability to act in a manner befitting someone like you, or at least you claim to be, I pity you, I truly and wholesomely pity you. When I joined these forums, I posted responsibly, I posted with knowledge and fact, and yet you act like indignant children.

I hope to god there are people that are not as blunt as you that can see what I am speaking of, because you continue to berade me for nothing more than some bull**** my former friends spouted off to secure their place at Lightfighter, since they didnt want to be known as Airsofters selling gear to the real guys, much like that Dirty Dagger chump.

I know the problem lies with the 08th and Big Clips, I hope you someday do as well. Im more than willing to continue to act like a good natured member as I did originally until you people started to bash me, people enjoyed those threads, and I easily remember having about 20 or 25 posts with 5 star ratings, and a 5 star rating myself until one member decided to continue to neg rep me because of his feelings towards me. I have shown myself to be someone who can act mature, help others an dprovide comments and thoughts that hold ground, what are you doing right now? Trying to make yourself look smarter by bashing me for something you dont have involvement in? You have problems man, a lot of them.

[mr_kong]

You're just feeding the fire mate. Stop trying to prove yourself to be legit. Its the bloody internet, and no one really cares. unless its pr0n. LMAO

[theblackfox]

lol, Blarney lets be friends:D

[mr_kong]

hehe yay for e-penis!

[Blarney]

and yet, you say Im lying and have nothing to back your claims up.

My point is not to be "legit" I already am, but to show you how much of a **** you are. the 08th guys dont have balls, you guys are the neighborhood bullies, its simple to see that. My point is to stop this unfounded bashing, to end your pathetic cracks and to get you to see the folly of your ways.

I again am the one opening the door to end this pitiful debate, because no matter what, you wont listen and I cant get you too listen, hard FACT cannot get you to listen.

Ive said what needs to be said, Ive shown what needs to be shown, and I hope people can ascertain whats going on, because your the one acting like a child, your the one who has no proof to back up your groundless claims, your the one that is the joke here.

Go ahead and post your funny pictures, go ahead and say what you will, but the facts are on the table, and its easy to see whats what. Mabye you should act more mature when you try and talk your way out of an arguement. This is a classic case of summary denial. You refuse to accept facts, you try to disprove everything, you make groundless claims, and when you realize your losing, you start backing off while trying to retain some sort of ground by bashing me with some pointless flame.

Your not going to win this arguement blackfox, stop trying.

[theblackfox]

hehe yay for e-penis!


MINES HUGE. can't you tell by my awesome use of pictures.

Blarney you keep insulting me and my team yet you call yourself mature. I find this funny. By the way. this is not an agrument. You have never argued with me nor will you ever get the chance to. I am having a discussion with you. You are insulting my friends and I. The only reason I'm backing off is becuase I am being begged to do so.

[Thatfatmacdude]

Guys for the betterment of the community, why don't you drop this on the boards, and cary it into the chatroom, or AIM, or something.

[output01x]

Blarney, my problem with you is that you lied to current and former members of the military on LF. When they tried to get you to fall in line, you continued to disrespect them and ended up getting banned twice. Now, you continue to disrespect them on this forum. Personally, I find that unacceptable.

Now, Black Fox has definitely taken this way too far and gone about this in a very inappropriate manner. For this, I apologise to Blarney and all of Airsoft Ohio. Airsofters need to show maturity and intelligence. Unfortunately the last page of posts in this thread is lacking both. Both Blarney and Black Fox are to blame.

As Blarney attempted before, this dispute should be handled through PMs and should definitely be brought to the attention of the moderators.

[Blarney]

I did not get banned twice. By my own accord, I had my account taken down, and then with Yargh was banned by a mod who did not know I was allowed back on. I have a transcript of my conversation with Haji if you wish to see what I am talking about.

As for what happened, I do take blame, I take a lot of and for that I am apologizing, and I am sorry for taking Big Clip's bait, but such comments were unwarranted and not needed. As for maturity and intelligence, its easy to see who had both, and who did not.

As for military members, output, it is not your place to make that call, and so far youve been completely unfounded in your comments on my views and opinions of the armed forces. LF represents a very small portion of the entire military community, an extremely small part of it. Those men, I will ALWAYS respect for what they do. As for the way they act to people they do not agree with, I will not agree with their opinions, but I WILL ALWAYS respect them. There is no arguement in that.

Im probably saying this for everyone here, this flamewar needs to be ended and deleted please.

[Titan]

Internet flame wars are like the special olympics, blarney no matter who wins you are still a bunch of retards.

[Big Clips]

So, Blarney getting to the point and ignoring the pics of your buddies....

You gonna send me pic of that .45's chamber or not? Because I cant see the chamber of the .45 in those pics you put up for proof.


Ohh, and btw.... Dont compare the 08EU to Israel. God's chosen people are no match for us!

[Blarney]

Im Israeli by heritage, and Im sure the Mossad will have no problems with you.

I was at a social function all day, I will get you those pics, I havent been on since 2 days ago and completely forgot until I saw my PMs. Rest assured, Ill show you all the proof youll need.

as for the special olympics crack, well....de de de I suppose.

[D_Man]

Ok gentlemen, take it to private chat. Afterall, you can only beat a dead horse so much... Feel free to PM me to air greivences on this matter, from both sides, otherwise, keep the topic off the public forums.