OP: CRIMSON DAWN, August 12th, 2006

[King]

Hosted by the 91st Ohio Wildcards, charity event for families of Iraq and Afghanistan conflict casualties.

Specifics of OP: Crimson Dawn
Date: August 12th, 2006
Location: Fran Bar Park
Cost: $15
Minimum age: 13
Registration is at www.airsoftevents.com

Event Schedule
Registration and Chrono begins at 8:00
Scenario Briefing starts at 9:00
Scenario Game starts at 9:30
Lunch break starts at 12:30
Lunch break ends at 1:15
Scenario Game ends at 5:00

Background
A terrorist group has taken over Serian Laboratories in an attempt to obtain a nuclear warhead, code named Crimson Dawn. The terrorists have taken many hostages including scientists, medical staff, laboratory security guards, and the administrator of Serian Labs, Jon Zorn. While the terrorists work on launching Crimson Dawn, US forces have been called in to eliminate the terrorists, rescue all hostages, and disarm the nuclear warhead.

Ammo Limits
Each player can have a 600 round load out for their AEG, unlimited pistol magazines, grenades, and grenade shells. Only one drum magazine for support gunners. Everyone is allowed to bring ammo to their bases and only allowed to reload at their bases.

MED
SEMI ONLY IN BUILDINGS!!! Maximum FPS is 500. If you have a weapon that shoots lower than 500, you are encouraged to bring it. Also, anyone can be taken hostage, so know your MED!

Medic Rules
Call for a medic, plain and simple. Once a medic reaches you, the medic has to physically be touching you for one minute. During this minute, neither the medic nor the wounded soldier can fire their weapon. If the medic cannot reach the wounded soldier, another soldier can “carry” the wounded soldier to the medic’s location by WALKING. A soldier can only carry one wounded soldier at a time. Each medic can only heal one wounded soldier at a time. Each player has a bleed-out time of 5 minutes, and then he or she must walk back to their HQ. There is instant respawn. Everyone should bring a watch to keep track of their bleed-out time.

Everyone must have ANSI rated eye protection!!!

US Forces
Need one person to step up to be the US Commander
Uniforms: Woodland, Marpat, Multi-cam, ACUs, and Cadpat.

Terrorists
Need one person to step up to be the Terrorist Leader
Uniforms: Everything else: Flektarn, Tiger, various Russian, black, brown, and US desert. No civilian clothes, since that’s what the hostages will be wearing.

Since this is a charity event, all proceeds will be donated to Children's Hospital. Since this event is being held at Fran Bar, no one has to pay anything extra, just Fran Bar's $15 entrance fee; but donations are welcome.

Depending on how fast the scenario goes, we will play a few games like "Take as many buildings," etc.

We are allowing younger people in to this event because they do not get to play in many events. BUT if anyone, not just minors, are caught acting in an unsportsmanship way, you will be asked to leave.

There will be many props being used, including a laptop, so please do not shoot them. :-) We hope that many of you can make it to our event and we apologize for such late notice for this event.

-Wildcards

[Agent Spencer]

Definetly in for this one, especially since it's a great cause.

Looking forward to checking out this field.

Will there be any waiver for the field?

Spence

[Thatfatmacdude]

I will be an attendance, providing that I get a new gun.

[insane]

How far east of Columbus is the one place? If it's more than an hour from Cinci it's too far for me lol.

-Cody

[Xenos 8]

I don't know I have a lot of events going on, but maybe. I think I could bring my guys, oh and I would be happy to donate for the cause.

[output01x]

I'd love to come out and support you guys on your first event, but unfortunately, you picked a date that conflicts with Op: NW3. If I weren't already planning on attending NW3, I would definitely be there. Anyway, good luck with your event, I hope it goes great for you guys.

output :cool:

[BLACK SE7EN]

The 7th R.A.I.D. will attened. Should be at least 4 to 6.

[King]

We are working on getting a waiver together, so hopefully that will be up soon. Also, I'm trying to get ahold of Blade so you all can register on AE. Also, everyone knows where Fran Bar Park is, I assume. But the land we are trying to get is east of Columbus by about 15-20 minutes. So yeah, it's over an hour from Cinci.
-King

[strikers_blade]

King, Check your emails this morning, I should have answered within the hour to it

[Xenos 7]

this sounds like fun and its close to home so im pretty sure i can come. :D

[Snowman014]

Count me in...........and meh friend Fox....lol....from Fran Bar

[King]

Well folks, it looks like we didn't get the land we wanted so we are going to hold the event at Fran Bar. It's not exactly what we wanted, but it will do. IF by chance we somehow get the land, I'll be posting about it asap!
-King

[Son of Liberty]

I'll be there with 5 or 6 Spartans. King, I'll be the U.S. commander if you still need one.

[NickTick]

We are working on getting a waiver together, so hopefully that will be up soon

you really dont need to work on a waiver if you are using Fran Bar they have a waiver already made up.

There will be many props being used, including a laptop, so please do not shoot them

if you are worried about your laptop being shot just make on out of a box. If there is documents that are on that laptop that people are supposed to see just print them out and put them in the fake/box laptop.

If it's more than an hour from Cinci it's too far for me l

How long have you lived in Cincy?:D no mater what part of columbus you go to its any where from an hour and 45 mins away to 2 hours away.



peace

[Snowman014]

If you already signed a waiver there, at Fran Bar, they give you a card.....verifying that you have done so.

[Spades]

yeah, as long as you present fran bar with your card you don't have to sign another waiver. just show it to them when you pay. the reason why we were getting a waiver together is so if we got the property we were looking at east of columbus.

[Shogun]

Sounds simple enough... I hope to register once it is up on airsoft events.

[BLACK SE7EN]

I have a laptop prop. I got lots of props.

[King]

I gave all the info to Blade so hopefully registeration will be open soon. And no, we are using a real laptop for...reasons :D
-King

[slicknickpro]

im probably not able to go to either this or nw3 because of football but i would say change the date because just about everyone will be at NW3 or at least i and my team would. Not that I hate childrens hospital but i know that nw will be better.

also if you move it forward a week i can go to it ;)

[King]

Well slicknickpro, for those who don't want to shell out $80, they can come to our event. And I think it was rude of you to say that NW3 is going to be better. You don't know what we have planned. Plus, even though this is our first event, it's not (or shouldn't) suck. It isn't half @$$ed. We have been putting a lot of work into it.
-King

[Spades]

plus, according to the thread on up coming events, NW3 is posted only as a survey, not a set event. it should be posted as a set event for those who posted it. (just pointing that out to the higher powers that be!!!)

[Xenos 8]

Plus I am pretty sure you have to be 16 for NW3, but only 13 for this. I think this will be awesome, especially for $15 :cool: .

[NickTick]

And no, we are using a real laptop for...reasons

Use a real laptop all you want but if it gets shot i dont want to hear anyone complaining.:D

[Noel911]

looks sweet i hope to be there but i may be in new york. mabe i can get my parents to go the 13th or somthin lol.

[sniper5990]

Should be there with about 2-3 others.

[Fox]

Originally posted by Spades
plus, according to the thread on up coming events, NW3 is posted only as a survey, not a set event. it should be posted as a set event for those who posted it. (just pointing that out to the higher powers that be!!!)

It's a set event, and you can register for it too. But, NW3 is not for everyone either, so alot of the smaller teams/younger teams that 1. don't want to pay the 90$, 2. Can't pay, 3. Dont want to follow the mil-sim rules of it, then this is a good event to go to inplace of NW3

[Spades]

well, this is a milsim type event, for one thing and for a second thing, NW3 is posted under the title NW3 survey!! but yes it is an event now.

[knight1911]

This event is going to be great, its a very objective oriented game, which is going to be tons of fun. But, it is also much more than that: it is also a charity event. We hope to, in addition to raising money for Children's Hospital, raise awareness of airsoft as a sport. We want to spread a positive message or view of the airsoft community, and maybe even start a trend for future events. We (the Wildcards) hope to see you there to show your support, and of course have a killer time airsofting. Of course, the cost of entry is only that of Fran Barr's, all addition money is totally voluntary, and all of it will go to the cause. thankyou
-knight

[Xenos 8]

I think this is really great. It will help airsoft be seen in a better light, and its not in a bad one. I would be happy to donate money other than the $15 to participate :cool: .

[Red]

Can't wait till the 12th, King. =]

[BLACK SE7EN]

N.W.3 is a great event but I'm going to your game. I'm i the mood for a more relaxed day. I'm trying to get as many of the group to come as i can. If I'm lucky it could be as much as 12 coming. There is another team in chillicothe that i think will come up, we always play together. Looking forward to the game.

[red_spetsnaz]

Red and InSaNo will be there:).


~Red

[FerretFace]

Remember to aim for the @$$!

[King]

OK everyone, you can now register on www.airsoftevents.com

[Shogun]

I'm registered. Looking forward to it.

[red_spetsnaz]

Looking forward very much towards this event. Franc doesn't have an option for Russian, so I just put no BDU.:)

~Red

[FerretFace]

i can be the terrorist leader. i kow ya hate me king and want to shoot me, so i have a feeling ill be it :D ill have an AK so i fit the bill.

[FerretFace]

i can be the terrorist leader. i kow ya hate me king and want to shoot me, so i have a feeling ill be it :D ill have an AK so i fit the bill.

[Snowman014]

Heck, yeah. Really lookin' forward to it. And meh buddy from Indiana will be joinin' me. Can't hardly wait.......guess I better try and mount that Weaver Rail to meh Famas....lol

[NickTick]

big nut watch the double post please. If you see that you have post the same thing twice. Delete it. Thank you.



peace

[Phil]

see you there king
i'll bring a few others
:)

[sniper5990]

Registered, really looking forward to the event.

[Tanker671]

Why dont you guys actually give a freakin adress because I have no idea where this stupid park is so please post a adress ok thanks

Signed: Ace of Spades

[FerretFace]

jus use mapquest. type in fran bar park ohio. sry bout double post my internet was doin weird things and i guess it thought i clicked twice. stupid DSL....... but i hope i can be terrorist leader. wats the thing bout hostages? MED i think? wat does that mean? aim for their leg or somethin? ive never been in an event, but i do serious backyard battles :D no hostages, jus stealth+ firefights.

[Spades]

if you have never been at an event, most likely you will not be the terrorist leader bignut

[Tanker671]

just did that and got jack so give me a adress

[Tanker671]

you know what I dont know where this is whos there and how its going to be so I give up im not going

[Spades]

13861 E. Broad St.
Pataskala, OH 43062
(740) 927-3568

[King]

You know Tanker, if you bother going to airsoftevents.com and go to our event, then clicking on roster, you will see who is all going. I don't even know who is all going and I'm heading this event. Of course you won't know what it is all about. The general information that everyone needs is posted. Everything else will be in the briefing at the event. This is how events go. Also, instead of "yelling" at us, you could have just asked nicely or PMed me, or even another 91st member to find out where Fran Bar Park is. www.franbarpark.com is the site for all info in contacting them, where they are, etc. I seriously think you are jumping ahead of yourself.
-King

[vbtb110]

Sounds like fun, is Tiger Stripe acceptable for US Camo? Green base, not desert.

[King]

Yes, Tiger Stripe can be worn on the US side. Anything that is green based is acceptable.



(post 100, woo hoo!)

[Hooch]

Sign up me and a friend for the US side king

long time no see cant wait

and i assume its ok to wear my ghillie?

[FerretFace]

yah im goin down to cousins army/ navy sometime in this week to get some new camo. mine is really wore out. u wouldnt believe how much abuse that thing has taken.:p wats MED?

[Shogun]

MED="Minimum Engagement Distance"

[FerretFace]

u mean like the thing that has to do w/ fps? like above 400 fps u can use auto but u have to be 25' away?

[Shogun]

Yes.

http://www.airsoftohio.com/dynamic.php?s=&action=safetyrules&menu=1&pos=40

[Tanker671]

ok what ever king AND by the way I have been to airsoft events and they at least have a story line posted and a adress and a date but you dont have any of that.

[Shogun]

Originally posted by King
Date: August 12th, 2006

Background
A terrorist group has taken over Serian Laboratories in an attempt to obtain a nuclear warhead, code named Crimson Dawn. The terrorists have taken many hostages including scientists, medical staff, laboratory security guards, and the administrator of Serian Labs, Jon Zorn. While the terrorists work on launching Crimson Dawn, US forces have been called in to eliminate the terrorists, rescue all hostages, and disarm the nuclear warhead.

The rest is not here BECAUSE IT IS ON AIRSOFT EVENTS. King sent the info to the guy who runs airsoft events. :rolleyes:

[red_spetsnaz]

Thank you for posting the General Play Rules Shogun. I was afraid that no one else was going to post it:). For everyone that hasn't been to very many events, please read the general play rules (should take you about five minutes) and make this event worthwhile for everyone attending. Especially for all of you new soldiers, get out there and show us what you got, but do it with the knowledge and understanding it takes to play. Don't give you and your gene pool a bad name. There is a difference between ignorance, incompetence, and understanding.

~Red

[King]

Tanker, I'm not trying to start anything because that is the last thing I would want to do. But (this is for everyone), in my initial post of this event, is all the information provided? Because it shows on my computer. If not, then I have to change it somehow. I listed everything that everyone needs to know, like date, location, and storyline. So if it's not there, then I REALLY get it posted and quick.
-King

[BLACK SE7EN]

I think tanker has to much white-out on his monitor.

[Spades]

thank you red_spetsnaz for your words. i would like to add to that a little bit by saying that i want everyone who will be at this event to play honerably, and to call thier hits, even if they are not 100% sure if they got hit or not. that is good sportsmanship, and that gets you noticed quickly. for those of you who are newer to this sport i would like to see you all perform as if you want to impress those of us who have been with it for a while. and vets, you know what to do!! i also want everyone to have a great time!

[FerretFace]

are AEGS the only guns allowed? can we use shotguns/ sniper rifles?

[Noel911]

i sthere an age limit for FPS (like if you are under 18 you cant shoot above 400 FPS)?

[FerretFace]

i would imagine not.........

[Grimlock]

I will try to come, but it may not be a sure thing.

[Spades]

what?? age limit for fps?? i've never heard of anything like that. no there will be no age limit on fps, but there is a limit to fps. all the AO meds apply

[King]

Anyone can use any type of gun.

[Son of Liberty]

I'm bringing my Paintball marker and .22 rifle.

[Spades]

haha, Son of liberty, ummmm, i think he means any type of airsoft weapon, as long as you respect the meds!!!

[Son of Liberty]

Well, maybe he should specify what type of weapon. He did say any kind. So....don't make me get my Battle Rifle and Master Chief armor :o

[Noel911]

Originally posted by Spades
what?? age limit for fps?? i've never heard of anything like that. no there will be no age limit on fps, but there is a limit to fps. all the AO meds apply
must be at striker events only than. i wen't to 1 and i almost couldn't use my gun cause it was shooting 413 w/.2's. if you were under 18 u couldn't shoot over 400.

[FerretFace]

i kow ive started a thread but no one has replied so: wheres the best place to get camo. i am lookin for a tee and multi- pocket jeans. kohls?

[Phil]

dicks sporting goods should do the trick.

[Shogun]

Originally posted by big nut
i kow ive started a thread but no one has replied so: wheres the best place to get camo. i am lookin for a tee and multi- pocket jeans. kohls?

That's totally off-topic. Thus violating rule number 10, and probably number 9 as well:

9. No opinion posts - Asking for people's opinions. Opinions are like feet, everyone has at least one, and most stink.

10. Stay on-topic and BE PATIENT - We aren't on the boards 24 hours a day, and we won't necessarily be able to anwer your question immediately upon you asking it. Bottom line is: if you don't have the time and patience to await an answer, don't post the question.

[FerretFace]

ur so much fun. wats the info on radios? frequencies type, ect.

[King]

Refs and other members not in the game will be on channel 1. All other channels will be up to the team commanders. The US Forces and the Terrorists can divide up thier own team into smaller units if they choose to and assign those units their own radio channels.

[airsoftaddict]

Jeeze, I wish I had seen this earlier. :( Stupid self... I hope to be there but I haven't registered yet, 'cause I don't know for sure. Also, i might be able to bring a few friends if I can go. I really like the charity idea :D

Dave / airsoftaddict

[Snowman014]

Man, I cant wait! This is gonna be soo much fun ! =D....Just hope some one doesnt throw a Smoke Nade again =P , like OP: FT2

[NickTick]

.Just hope some one doesnt throw a Smoke Nade again =P , like OP: FT2


Is smoke not aloud at this event??


Peace

[FerretFace]

Where can you get some?

[Cullen Katarn]

Originally posted by NickTick
Is smoke not aloud at this event??


Peace
Fran-Bar Park does not allow fireworks of any kind including Smoke Bombs or Smoke Grenades...I don't even think they use cold smoke...

[sniper5990]

When i was at FT2 I asked the guy that was taking the waivers in the bus if we were aloud to use cold smoke and he had told me yes. He may have changed the rule since then but that is what I was told.

[King]

The 91st would prefer that if you would like to use a smoke grenade, then privately tell us first. I don't mind, but at OP: FT2, players were going to swing fists over it and I do not want that happening at our event.

Also after taking the advise from other airsofters, the uniforms will be changed. US Forces will wear anything that the US wears: woodland, marpat, ACUs, etc. No desert though. Terrorists wear everything else.
-King

[FerretFace]

So the terrorists CAN wear civilian/ dersert clothes? If we dont have desert clothes, can we tie a desert [or any other colors], based band around our arm/ head?

[airsoftaddict]

I have a question. Will there be a possibility of gun rental, like at the AA events? I have a gun, but a friend of mine may be coming and he doesn't have an AEG, so would he be able to rent one? I understand if there is no possibility of this, just thouth I'd put the idea out there.

Dave / airsoftaddict

[FerretFace]

Or if not some people should bring their spare guns coughKingcough. I don't think Fran Bar rents airsoft. Just ask a fellow airsofter to borrow their awesome G36 coughKingcough. Lol but I seriously may need someone's. Mine's getting some repairs/ upgrades.

[airsoft1337]

Hey guys I used the search button and came up with nothing. How big is this place? And is there any pictures? I just wanted to know if it was mothly woods, or whatnot.
Thanks

Neil

[Spades]

i have many weapons, but none of them will be for rent, nor do i think many other airsofters are willing to let people they don't know use their weapons for free. i think king was going to try and get AA to sponser our event, however, i'm not sure as of yet if there will be any rentals through them. also, it's a farely big place. it hase many fields for paintball and airsoft. it has a "kill house" and other structures, all in the woods. there was another field in the woods that i didn't even play on, and that one looked pretty big as well. so to answer your question, it's a good sized place.

[King]

You can go here to check out pictures of the place:
www.franbarpark.com

Also, I no longer let others use my airsoft guns because when I get them back, they are not in as good condition as when I lent them out. I'm sorry, but I don't do it anymore.

Big Nut, no civilian clothes period, like jeans and t-shirts with logos on them. Stuff like that. If you have something that has some sort of camo on it, that will be fine. Just nothing that could distinguish you from a hostage. Only members of the 91st are hostages and will be wearing civilian clothes.
-King

[Tanker671]

Look about earlier I had a bad day but I take back that post because it was stupid sorry but your event sounds cool all the same. :(

[Tanker671]

I need you to tell me if this is the right adress ok

13861 Broad St SW Pataskala, OH 43062, United States :confused:

[King]

Yup, that's the right address. Remember, everyone has to pay the field owner in the school bus. Any other donations will go to me, or any other member of the 91st. The waiver is also on Fran Bar's site. I've noticed that if you have the waiver filled out before hand, it makes things go a lot faster when paying the field owner. And, parents need to fill out their information if the player is a minor, so that will be helpful to all of us if you already have it filled out.
-King

[Tanker671]

ok cool :D I think ill go to the airsoft arms store and get a new gun some supplys and then go to this event.

[airsoftaddict]

Hope you like your new gun! Anyway,King, that's cool, about the gun. That happened to me a couple of times.

[Snipers_Ghost]

On camo if i were to join terrorist would i be able to wear British/UK jungle camo? Its green with brown and black slashes.

[Yasuragi]

Count me in for my first event. Yay!

Those of you living near Akron, is anyone willing to carpool? Please PM, not post, if interested.

[Spades]

yes as long as it is not US style camo, than you can wear it as a terrorist.

quote from King: US Forces will wear anything that the US wears: woodland, marpat, ACUs, etc. No desert though. Terrorists wear everything else.

[Tanker671]

I guess im on the US side :D

[NickTick]

Will there be a possibility of gun rental, like at the AA events?

I should have a ICS MP5 he could rent for 35 dollars. I say should cause it all depends if i get my new gun next weekend or not. I should have it so he can rent my gun if he likes i will also throw in a few special things like a 1 high cap mag and 2 more standards with mag pouch and drop pouch if he would like. The gun has been upgraded to shoot 350 fps with .2's bu he will have to bring his own bbs. PM if he wants to rent this gun.

[airsoftaddict]

Sweet, I'll tell him.

[BLACK SE7EN]

Wow, I just checked the roster and I need to get on my team mates to fill out the terrorist side.

[Tanker671]

if any one wants I have a super 9 pro that I could lend to someone but I dought anyone would want to.:D

[NickTick]

King

When i registered i put squad leader. But if no one steps up ill be TL.


Peace

[King]

That sounds good to me. I'm still looking for leaders so don't by shy!

[red_spetsnaz]

Section 8 is bringing down a few more terrorists than expected. Expect us in force for this event.

~Red

[Spades]

thats good, we still need a few more terrorists!

[BLACK SE7EN]

I can do a leadership slot if needs be.

[Spades]

thank you for stepping up Black Se7en, i'm sure you will make a great leader.!

[BLACK SE7EN]

Not a problem. I'm still trying to get more of the group I play with to come out. If I got extra stuff to sell is it cool to bring it?

[sniper5990]

Just sold the TM M14 but the TM M16 A2 is still for sale or possibly trade, if interested just PM me.

[King]

BLACK SE7EN, you can bring anything you want to sell. Well, ALMOST anything ;)
-King

[Tanker671]

so we can pay at the event right?

[King]

That's right. There is a yellow school bus at the entrance of the field and everyone hands the field owner their waiver and pays him the field fee.

[Echo]

Death's Shade will be there (at least, most of us)

[Son of Liberty]

Spartans will be Terrorists, and I will lead the Terrorists if thats ok.

[Spades]

i think that would work ok.

[Tanker671]

also we bring everything on the bus right?

[CrimsonCampaigner]

No Tanker,

The Only Thing You Need on the Bus is your Money and Your Waiver...

If you want my opinion, its easier to drive back to the fields and set up, then walk up to the Bus and do all that jazz.

[Tanker671]

Ok

[TunnelRat294]

well personally i think this is a great event to go to. (espisially since im on the 91st:D )

[King]

OK everyone, there are 39 people registerd on AE, with two people registering twice, so really 37. 28 are US Forces and 9 are Terrorists...ouch. So, if you are planning on being on the Terrorist side, please register on airsoftevents.com. If we don't get a decent number on each side, we are going to have to go to arm bands.....yuck.

We have a Terrorist Leader, but no US Commander, so the job is still open. If you want that position, send me a PM.
-King

[red_spetsnaz]

9 terrorists= a target rich environ. We can make do, I'm sure. Section 8 still has a few unconfirmed.

~Red

[Tanker671]

poor unwanted terrorists :(

[King]

Commanders have been picked!

The US Forces will be lead by Kurt Klaus
The Terrorists will be lead by Son of Liberty

Congratulations gentlemen and good luck.
-King

[airsoftaddict]

Well, the terrorist leader's name seems a little ironic... :p Just kidding!

[Naga]

I have green BDUs and everything, but I only have a UTG AK 47 Commando (all black). Could I still attend? And what side would I be on (would the gun make any difference of what side I'd be on?)

[Shogun]

Of course you should still attend. You might not be shooting as hot as other people, but as long as you have fun, it doesn't matter. ;)

Register for whichever side your camo corresponds to. For example, if you have woodland BDU's, you'd be on the US side.

[King]

Yeah Naga, you can still come, of course. And no, it doesn't matter what gun you have. But just to even out the teams, do you mind registering on the Terrorists side? Thanks a bunch!
-King

[Phil]

Zak, can you switch me over, i wanna be with SOL

[vbtb110]

Yeah, please switch me over as well to terrorist, I would like to be with the team, SOL, and Phil please.

[Naga]

Thanks for letting me know I can come, but something just came up and I PROBABLY won't be able to attend (family trip to Chicago.) I still might be able to attend, but no guarantees (basically, if some of my teammates attend, I will probably attend.) And no, I wouldn't mind being placed on the terrorist side.

[Tanker671]

I cant go no offence to you King but im going to Northern WInd not because it will be better im sure both of them will be awesome it just Northern Wind is 3 days and ive played there before so hope you guys have fun.

[Yasuragi]

Question: Since terrorists are "everything else but civilian," would some type of non-BDU top with woodland pants and a black MOLLE vest count? If so, then go ahead and switch me.

And just to make sure I am 100% sure about this, we are using the Fran Bar Park paintball waiver found on their website, correct?

[King]

Tanker, sorry you can't make it.

Yasuragi, yeah, what you are planning on wearing is fine. And yes, everyone is using Fran Bar's waiver found on their site.
-King

[NickTick]

Well i had to change this post. I didnt read the rest of the thread and my question was already answered.



Peace

[Son of Liberty]

All the Spartans will be Terrorist. And I'm leading the Terrorists.

[BLACK SE7EN]

Yes we know, so post something else already s.o.l.

[red_spetsnaz]

Can we get a more specific CQB ruling? What are the rules you guys will have laid down?


~Red

[Son of Liberty]

Well, Since High School Football has started, I might not be able to make ANY airsoft events for a while....So I hope you guys do good fighting without me.

[Spades]

ok so far, all i know is that it is only semi auto while in CQB conditions. meaning when inside the buildings, have your gun on semi auto. when inside a building shooting out, you can have it on full auto.and when outside shooting in, the same. to reiterate, when you are inside, shooting at someone inside, please have it on semi auto. of course if you can get someone to surrender, thats always better than shooting them. remember the 600 round loadout!! and thank you red spetsnaz for bringing that up. if king wants to add to that, he will!!

[TunnelRat294]

hey sons of liberty you will still be at CD right?

[King]

If you aren't, then we need to find a new Terrorist leader and fast!

[BLACK SE7EN]

Now now, don't have kittens. I got it. Terrorist leader that is. I said I'd do it before s.o.l. and I'll do it now that he's out.

[King]

You got the job!

[airsoftaddict]

There, now, was that so hard?

[BLACK SE7EN]

So do we get more info on missions before or day of the event? Since the terroist's are still outnumbered I was just trying to put together a basic battle plan.

[TunnelRat294]

well from what i understand from talking to king when we were planning it is that you will be told everything else the day of the event. right king?

[Spades]

yes, each team will be split up and briefed as to what the mission is. i believe there will be some basic intel as to were everything is going to be located around the park. so to answer, everything will be day of!!

[TunnelRat294]

oh and by the way king thank you for changing your signature to patton instead of patterson it was buggin me lol.

[BLACK SE7EN]

Ok good. Next question is hostages, real people or dummy's? Also with the balance of forces I would like to ask for 1 less medic on the U.S. side to even the odds.

[Spades]

i think we can set that up with the US side! that does only make it more fare!! and the hostages will be real, they will be the members of the 91st. details will be given out about the hostages, on the field!! i don't want to give anything else away!!!!!! it will all be given to you in your individual team briefings. if we give anything away here, then the other team will know the plan as well!

[BLACK SE7EN]

Ok, good deal.

[Son of Liberty]

Guess who and what team is going to be there alittle late :D Me and the Spartans!! (If you couldn't guess)

[TunnelRat294]

yeah well that makes everything better. We need as many people as we can for the terrorists to even the odds. Hooray for sons of liberty!

[vbtb110]

Glad were able to make it, and for gods sake its Son of liberty, no "s" ;).

[NickTick]

King pm sent please respond asap. thank you


peace

[airsoftaddict]

So, that makes how many terrorists?

[Spades]

it makes for 18 terrorists, but four will be late. we are also looking at 40 US, so unless we get more terrorists by next week, we are looking at either 18 on 40, with a few less medics on the US side. OR we will have to go to arm bands, which we really don't want to do.

[BLACK SE7EN]

That's only a little more than 2 to 1 odds. I'm not to worried. How about the rest of the terroist party, what do you guys think? Can we take them? I thought earlier in this thread there were a couple of U.S. players that wanted to switch side's, wase'nt phill one of them? Check on that because that will help balence the forces.

[Kurt Klaus]

I have a few suggestions as we have hit the 1 week warning and the roster may or may not gain enough people in time to even out teams.

This is my current count on BDUs (I have omited a few which are on the roster more then once):

Woodland = 27
Woodland Digital = 8
Woodland MARPAT = 1
Desert 3 Color = 5
Desert 6 Color = 3
Flektarn = 6
Vietnam Tigerstripe = 2
Multicam = 1
Black = 3
NO BDU = 3

Suggestion #1
US (36)
Woodland = 27
Woodland Digital = 8
Woodland MARPAT = 1

Terrorists (23)
Desert 3 Color = 5
Desert 6 Color = 3
Flektarn = 6
Vietnam Tigerstripe = 2
Multicam = 1
Black = 3
NO BDU = 3

or

US (27)
Woodland = 27

Terrorists (32)
Woodland Digital = 8
Woodland MARPAT = 1
Desert 3 Color = 5
Desert 6 Color = 3
Flektarn = 6
Vietnam Tigerstripe = 2
Multicam = 1
Black = 3
NO BDU = 3

I rather choose the later.

Suggestion #2
Disregard BDU styles and resort to armbands (if you do not have any at the current time I can bring mine.) Split up airsoft teams and from there decide whether they should belong to US or terrorists. In actual warefare no groups would say "oh lets go with tan (or green) based uniform to set us off from the enemy." If you are using camo correctly in your sourroundings you shouldnt be able to be spotted or recognized easily anyway. In in addition to terrorists I highly doubt terrorists care whether or not they are organized in relation to BDU or uniform styles (suh as US, UK, etc), they are terrorsists afterall.

Leadership, communication, battlefield awareness and training is key in combat and with that should know freind from foe and where your men are. That especially goes for who signed up for leadership roles such as squad leader or commander, you need to take extra consideration. If you have signed up for a postion as such just so you can boss people around or know you have little of the stated traits, please let someone else take over.

[Son of Liberty]

I don't care if it's 18 on 40, give the Terrorists a target rich environment. I'll be a terrorist Medic, and I Say we just keep Woodland and Woodland variants for U.S. (Digital, ACUs, etc) and put Desert, Foreign Camo I.e Fleck, Tiger Stripe, Black, OD and Non-BDUs on Terrorists. Give the U.S. as many Medics as they want, Terrorists will still pwnz0r faces because we are 1337.

[red_spetsnaz]

Yeah, i'd have to say screw that too. What is the big deal with eighteen on fourty? If we finish the scenario early, horray for open games. Section 8 recommends (our opinions) that you just keep it the way you planned it. Our commander will get us through, Hooah?

~Red

[NickTick]

Kurt,

That isnt a bad ideal but there is one problem. That spilts my team up majorly. Here is my suggestion. Arm bands are not all that bad. Lets just use arm bands. If we go to arm bands my team and I will gladly switch to the terroist side. We have no problems doing that at all. And like red said earlier a target rich enviroment sounds kinda nice. I dont mide at all getting a high kill count lol.



Peace

[CrimsonCampaigner]

I know of about 4 or 5 people who want to switch over. So that would take it to about 23 vs 35. I also agree that we really don't need to go to arm bands. Mabey, if the terriost really want too, we can take away a US medic for a couple scenarios. But i think it should be fine, only a 12 person diffrence....:D

[Spades]

well the thing is, if you guys all switch over, than you will either have to wear a non "Green" US uniform,( meaning no BDUs, ACU. and all that, but you could wear DDUs) or you could go with the BDU pants and wear an old shirt or something, that makes you look more like a terrorist than a US soldier. the point is we want to have two teams that look completely different.

[airsoftaddict]

I like that idea. It makes sense. It's a simple solution to the problem.

[gertrude]

Thinking about coming down for the day. I'd prefer to be on the US side, but I don't want to tip the scales one way or the other to push things towards armbands... anyone give a flying you-know-what?

[TunnelRat294]

well personally i think we should have armbands. i will have to aks the team first. but i mean in the woods it might be a tad hard to ID different types of camo. i think armbands are the way to go personally but i will ask king. oh which also reminds me Kings internet is down so i dont know exactly when he will be back on so just giving you a heads up!

[Spades]

yes gertrude come on down! i'm sure no one will mind one more person on the US side. it seems to me like the terrorist really want to be out numbered! if people really don't mind being out numbered two to one, then we won't have to go to the arm bands!! however, i would like to see it more even, if even just a tad more even( some thing like, 1 1/2 to 1, lol). and that may happen, if every one who said they want to change, does. which brings me to my next note.

if you have thought about changing, or have said you are going to change, and have already registered, please reregister so we can get a more accurate count! thanks!!

[BLACK SE7EN]

This is'nt my show but it's not cool to let people register on the side they want then take it away and slap on a armband. With the few change overs it's close enough and like the man said, If we finish early it's open games till we drop.

[King]

OK people, I'm back. I am sorry I haven't been around but like Tunnel Rat said, my internet was down for a few days. Wow, it looks like I have missed a lot.

Black Se7en, I totally agree with you. It is not fair to those who wish to be on a particular side then make them change. This is what's going down......If you have anything other than WOODLAND BDUs, you are going to be on the Terrorists side. If you are on the US Team and wish to change but do not have desert or other camo, then we will do Spade's idea, where you wear the woodland pants and something else for your top. Like he said, you will look more like a Terrorist. So, if people don't mind the large odds of almost 2:1, then I don't really care. As long as everyone has a great day of airsofting, it's all good to me. Right now, there are 57 people registered on AE, not 65 like it says. There are double registrations and when people reregistered, it shows them twice. I just thought I'd throw that out there.
-King

[Yasuragi]

No offense to Spades, but I just want to make sure. Since this seems to be King's domain (to make a small pun), do you want those of us who are switching to reregister or not?

[Zootroy]

Do i need a team or can i so up as a single?

[King]

Yeah, go ahead and reregister. I have a list of my own that I have been keeping track of who is on what team. If you decide to switch, it would really help me out if you sent me a PM saying, "I'm so-and-so and I am switching to _____ side." That way, I don't miss anyone's name. I would like to have an accurate count of players. We are trying to get bottles of water for everyone so we need to know how many people to expect. Like I said we are trying to get water, so there are no guarantees.
-King

[Yasuragi]

Originally posted by Zootroy
Do i need a team or can i so up as a single?

Welcome to AO, Zootroy. I'm assuming that "so" is code for sign or show, and if that is correct, then no, you do not need a team. Many people are registered without teams, and there are also many topics that make reference to this fact around the forums. You should be fine, you can hang out with the rest of us outcasts. But only if you pass the "teamless test."

Thanks for the heads up King, PM sent.

P.S. There is NO teamless test. Just kidding about that.

[Zootroy]

Hey good lookin out and thanks, you have the ole instant messenger?

[Spades]

hey no offense taken, Yasuragi. i was speaking on King's behalf while his internet was down. and Zootroy, welcome, and i hope to see you at our (the 91st's) event!

[Zootroy]

Yea i need to get some more gear but im doing that soon but hopefully if my **** gets here in time iw ill be there for sure on sunday

[Son of Liberty]

How do we assign Medics for each team?

[Dutton]

Originally posted by Zootroy
iw ill be there for sure on sunday

The 12th is a Saturday

[Zootroy]

Well Mr. illiterate will be there saturday then if my stuff gets here in time i dont know how long it takes red wolf to ship

[TunnelRat294]

haha mister illiterate!:D thats funny

[King]

Since we don't yet know how many people are going to attend this event and to take Black Se7en's idea about having the US have less medics, we will decide who are the medics at the field. I know there are a couple of you who have expressed intrest in the job, so just let us know when you get there.
-King

[Noel911]

HORA! i have been granted the power to go!

[BLACK SE7EN]

GOOD!!!!!!!! Your on point.

[Noel911]

ok im game :)

[Col.Mustard]

Franbar park has a waiver on their website for paintball. Is this the waiver that we'll need or is ther anouther version.

[red_spetsnaz]

That be it:).

[Col.Mustard]

splendid, thank you very much.

[BLACK SE7EN]

How nice it is to see you Col. Mustard. Will you go on safari with us saturday?

[TunnelRat294]

yeah i found that to be a little wierd that we are signing a paintball waiver, i mean talk about a loop hole!

[Noel911]

i found a digi. camera to use :).

[Col.Mustard]

Safari? Have i EVER missed a good hunt? It would be bad sportsmanship of me not to show up.

[OSUDamian]

this should be fun

[Evil Head]

Just wondering if there was any room for another terrorist? I know many want to be the good guys, but sometimes it is fun to be the otherside in order to make it fun for others.

[Red]

Yes, there are room for Terrorists. We need people to sign up for the Terrorist side, because as you said, most people like being the US, since they're the good guys.

[TunnelRat294]

and another reason we need terrorists is because they are outnumbered by quite a bit

[Evil Head]

I'll see if I can round up a few more players... Out numbered is always fun.

[Col.Mustard]

It doesnt matter that the terrorist side is out numbered. That just means more game for me to hunt down:P.

[Col.Mustard]

Right then, one more quistion, is there a limit to how many guns one can carry in the field?

[TunnelRat294]

yeah hahaha thats true col. but you know what they say. everbody loves an underdog! oh and as far as im conserned no there isn't so bring as many as you want. oh and also please dont double post col. just edit your last one. thank you

[Spades]

i would say since we are trying to be a little more geared toward milsim, you should only bring a realistic amount of guns on the field, i mean like a primary weapon and a secondary weapon. most secondary weapons are going to be pistols. if you really want to lug around two or more guns that would be considered primary weapons, go ahead! they would most likely get in the way and be too unwieldily.

[vbtb110]

For any one interested, I will have a Marui Glock 26 GBB, as well as a Classic Army M4 RIS for sale at this event.

[Cigaro]

Count me in for terrorists. and on a side note weather looks like isolated showers on saturday. High of 83 and low of 65 with a 30% chance of percip. so a poncho might be a good thing to keep in the back of your gear bag. since this will be my first real op, I was wondering if Rain would effect play, or if we play through rain and only lightning would stop play?

[Spades]

i am going to have my TM P90 up for trade or sale as well. if it rains, we play through it, it will make things interesting, but realistic at the same time. if there is lightening then we will most likely have to delay it untill it stops, i mean it is Ohio, we would only have to wait about ten minutes and it would pass, but no small showers will not stop play. unless king says otherwise.

[TunnelRat294]

im gonna be looking for people selling pouches for vests so if you have any spare bring em!

[Col.Mustard]

haha, a hunt in the rain is splendid. It reminds me of the time i hunted jaguar in the amazon during the rainy season. War does not wait for good weather, gentlemen.

[TunnelRat294]

actually on news channel 10 they said it was just supposed to be partly cloudy

[Noel911]

i heard some were that you can fully submerge your gun and it will still fire, but you have to lube and clean everything.

EDIT: oh and to add to the weather thing, weather. com says partly cloudy w/a high of 83 so i shouldn't be to bad. just bring lots of water.

[Spades]

first off i would like to say if you want to risk your gun, go ahead bro!!! it's your gun, i wouldn't want to try it myself but am always willing to try it with someone elses guns!!!! and second, IT'S OHIO PEOPLE!!! the weather people are nearly always wrong on the five, six and, ten day forecast!!!

[Col.Mustard]

Im aware of the situation with the different uniforms for the different sides, but it might not be a bad idea to issue arm bands just for good measure. Nothing fancy of course, just to different color tapes or something(aslong as there not something rediculous like red or orange).

[Noel911]

Originally posted by Spades
first off i would like to say if you want to risk your gun, go ahead bro!!! it's your gun, i wouldn't want to try it myself but am always willing to try it with someone elses guns!!!!
i wasn't planin on tryin just heard someone say it is possible.

[red_spetsnaz]

Actually, at all of the events we normally go to (strikers, etc...) there is no problem telling people apart on the two teams. If it is a milsim, it actually makes people have to identify their targets first. It never hurt to have some Trigger D.

~Red

[Col.Mustard]

Yes, this is true. Although, you always have the few people that dont like to identify their targets and shoot their own team. I dont know about you, but im not fond of being shot in the back by my freinds.

[King]

Well everyone here's some new info for ya. First of all there are 64 players registered with 37 on the US Side and 27 on the Terrorist Side. Those odds aren't too bad really, since it's only a 10 person difference. Also, Kurt Klaus, if you don't mind bringing your armbands, that would be great. If it gets down to where we NEED them, we'll use them. For now, I agree with Red Spetsnaz where a player should decide if that person over there in the bushes is friendly or not. Your team may want to make a code so if you can't tell if that person is on your team, you yell "Flash!" and they respond, "Bang!" Of course, it doesn't have to be Flash/Bang. It could be anything really. I've used this technique before in many games and it seems to work very well. But, this is all up to the COs of both sides. I and another member of the 91st (Knight) will only be refs. You all are running the show.
-King

P.S. I hate being shot in the back also, Col. Mustard. It has happened way too often with some of the games I've been to.

[Col.Mustard]

Alright then, it was just an idea to avoid confusion in the ranks. Its not a good idea for ones troops to be confused on a massive scale. Things tend to fall apart.

Alright king, i have anouther quistion for you. I would like to carry my bolt action rifle as my primary weapon because it poses as a challange for me. However, i have only one magazine. Since the rifle is bolt action and spring, would i be frowned apon for reloading in the field. In actual battle it isnt like one coulnt carry extra rounds in their pockets ;).

[Red]

Only a ten person difference? There's been a considerable change in odds since I've last checked this thread. Seems things have evened out. It's always good to have one force out numbered, IMO. That makes them work harder, and makes the victory even sweeter ;) .

[Xenos 8]

Originally posted by Col.Mustard

Alright king, i have anouther quistion for you. I would like to carry my bolt action rifle as my primary weapon because it poses as a challange for me. However, i have only one magazine. Since the rifle is bolt action and spring, would i be frowned apon for reloading in the field. In actual battle it isnt like one coulnt carry extra rounds in their pockets ;).
It shouldn't be a problem dude, I'm in the same boat. A bolt action with one mag, well I may try and buy one...but otherwise its okay to reload on the field. You may look a little foolish and maybe at some events it would not be permitted but I think this is okay.

[Kurt Klaus]

No problem King... I can bring them.

If we are gearing towards a somewhat MILSIM like event I request that before we actually start (after scenario briefing) that there is a small time (15min is fine) reserved for a team briefing. Commanders in that time can work out details such as call outs, battle plans and talk to squad and fireteam leaders on unit coherency, communication and contigency plans. And by chance there is a change in teams in which uniform style does not dictate teams (like the armbands) in that time you can also discuss ways to minimize FF.

[BLACK SE7EN]

If you have a support weapon or are going to be a sniper for the terroist team P.M. me so i can work on a battle plan. Also include if you will have a radio too. The good Col. Mustard will be one of my feild leaders, S.O.L. since you are always ready to step up would you like to be the other?

[TunnelRat294]

ok so if we have the armbands can we just disreguard the camo type or what im a little confused on this one king????

[Noel911]

I think it will still be camo type just so its still like milsim. I think that he is just doing the armbands to cut down on freindly-fire.

[Kurt Klaus]

I would go with what was discussed/what is already team wise... we dont have to use arm bands unless there is a dire need for them (I will bring mine in case).

What BLACK SE7EN said is the same for me. I would like to know how many snipers, automatic riflemen/machine gunners, DMs, etc will be present and who will be bringing radios. I have currently 4 radios which I will let my squad leaders use if they dont have one.

If the count stays the same till the 12th all I need is 3 to 4 squad leaders. If King does allow a team briefing I can cover unit breakdown and related subjects.

[Spades]

kurt i think we can work a little time in there so team leaders can devise a plan with your teams. i doubt that will be a problem. we will provide you with a general lay out and briefing as to what is going down, and then you can brief the team as to what the plan of action is going to be.

also, we are not going to use the arm bands unless there is absolutely no other way around it! it is more milsim if you have to ID your target as was said earlier, and even if there is some FF, that adds to the realism as well. though if i got shot by my own team, i would be a little angry!

[King]

Kurt, you can have all the time in the world for your team briefing...well, not all the time. I was planning on giving the COs of both teams time to give orders to their teams anyway.

TunnelRat, we are going with BDU colors first, then if we really, really, REALLY need them, we will have arm bands as Plan B.

After I give the general briefing to everyone, both sides will split up and I will talk to the US Forces and Knight will talk to the Terrorists. At this point Knight and I will be giving vital information and specifics about each team's missions. After all, we don't want the US to know what the Terrorists know and vise versa.
-King

[TunnelRat294]

ok just making sure king

[Spades]

Oh and by the way, everyone, we have made a change in the charity part. We are no longer raising money for Children’s Hospital. Instead we are doing something a little more appropriate; we are going to be raising the money for the families of fallen soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. They're ultimate sacrifice has given us the freedom to do what we want, and to say what we want. So please join in on helping us tell the families of these fallen soldiers how much we care and appreciate what their sons, daughters, husbands and wives have done for us!

[BLACK SE7EN]

Now that's more like it. I was thinking of something alot like you just changed to. Maybe an event in the future for the O.A.N.G families fund.

[headshot]

does anybody need a stand in?

[Evil Head]

Please... stick to the MILSIM rules for uniforms. Armbands just ruin the effect. Terrorists sometimes don't play by the rules and their uniforms tend to be mismatched anyway. I don't understand why there is an argument here. On the real battlefield many soldiers lose the lives to friendly fire. It's becaue the damn terrorists refuse to wear the armbands the US military hands out before we invade. Detect the sarcasm? Just check your target. Plus if you plan an being a terrorist wear the uniform the scenario requires. End of argument!

[Spades]

yeah evil head thats what we determined! and it has always been that way. we were just saying the arm bands are plan c. and if we have open games after the scenario is over.

[Evil Head]

That was just a general steam letting.... To many games end up like paintball. I enjoy the confusion on the field... it really adds to the simulation. I'll stop now... I'll start a discussion in some forum about this elsewhere and let you get back to planning your event. BTW good job, I 'm looking forward to attending.

[Zootroy]

count me in i play on the terriost side since there are lack of players the underdog side is always more fun





spray in pray

[Red]

Yeah, Zootroy...You don't want to "Pray'n'Spray", or "Spray'n'Pray". It's supposed to be a Milsim event, so please keep that to a minimum. You have 600 rounds to use (No more than 600), so if you want to survive, you'll want to keep it to burst firing, or semi.

[Spades]

yeah Zootroy, burst is a lot more accurate than spray, and pray. and it is a lot easier on your gun!

[Col.Mustard]

HAHA. I always say, if you cant hit it with one shot, dont shoot at'all. Reminds me of my days in the RAF.

[TunnelRat294]

How many "hunts" have you been on col.?

[Col.Mustard]

Quite a few actually, rhino's on the african planes, jaguar along the dreaded amazon, black panther in paru. Theres nothing like a good hunt.
Looking foreward to this one ;).

[TunnelRat294]

yeah once you get there find be i would like to hear more about them:D

[Ace91st]

Originally posted by Evil Head
Please... stick to the MILSIM rules for uniforms. Armbands just ruin the effect. Terrorists sometimes don't play by the rules and their uniforms tend to be mismatched anyway. I don't understand why there is an argument here. On the real battlefield many soldiers lose the lives to friendly fire. It's becaue the damn terrorists refuse to wear the armbands the US military hands out before we invade. Detect the sarcasm? Just check your target. Plus if you plan an being a terrorist wear the uniform the scenario requires. End of argument!

I 100% agree. We have ways of balancing out the teams. Medic rules can be unique per side, special intel, etc. We on the 91st will do our best to adapt to the environment and the people who attend to make the game as fair for both sides as possible. We really don't want the game to end up a slaughter... thats no fun for the hunted or hunter. (props to Col. Mustard ;) )

[Zootroy]

Spray and pray was just what we used to say in counter strike i was be serious you silly moose i dont even know if i will be able to go now because my gun s shippment was delayed so i may only have my pistola *tear* hopefull i ll get my gun before saturday but no promises
I ordered an M15A2

[BLACK SE7EN]

My brother will be hunting with Col. Mustard and myself but he only has 3 standard mags (180rds). Would he be allowed to carry a speed loader on the feild. A speed loader only carries enough rounds to load one and a half standrad mags. Please concider this because he has'nt got to hunt with the good Col. and me since we were out of ammo and forced to kill all those wild boar's with our.... I'm sorry, I'm babbiling on again.

[King]

That should be fine. I don't think anyone would object because of your situation.

[Col.Mustard]

Splendid. You know, i never quite understood the "no loading on the field" rule at these events. In the great war, alot of the bolt action rifles the lads used were single shot, and they were forced to carry ammo by any means neccesary.

[TunnelRat294]

yeah that is true but ammo restrictions are there because in the real army the only give you a certain amount of ammo. I believe they give you i think four 30 round mags if you are standard infantry? but im not sure

[Col.Mustard]

That may be true, however, they have no rules against reloading there magazines in the field:P.

[BLACK SE7EN]

The load out was 7 30rd mags but when I went to the gulf war I had 19 mags and 4 extra for the m-9, and we had a couple 1000rds on the vehicle.

[BLACK SE7EN]

My computer thought it nessesary to post twice, sorry.